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U.S. Constitution Losing Appeal Worldwide

There are 36 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Feb 7, 2012, titled U.S. Constitution Losing Appeal Worldwide. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

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The New York Times reports the unenviable fact that the United States Constitution has ceased to be, well, the envy of the world according to a new study. While the first three decades that followed World War 2 were a high watermark for America's founding document abroad, with foreign nations eager to adopt its tenets for their own constitutions, in the years since its influence has waned:

“Among the world’s democracies,” Professors Law and Versteeg concluded, “constitutional similarity to the United States has clearly gone into free fall. Over the 1960s and 1970s, democratic constitutions as a whole became more similar to the U.S. Constitution, only to reverse course in the 1980s and 1990s.”

The U.S. is no longer seen to be the trendsetter in the "constitutional marketplace" according to David S. Law, one of the study's authors. Why? Because the U.S. Constitution guarantees a relatively limited number of rights, while increasingly admired countries like Canada offer a much longer list. As the New York Times' Adam Liptak puts it:

The Constitution is out of step with the rest of the world in failing to protect, at least in so many words, a right to travel, the presumption of innocence and entitlement to food, education and health care.
Then again saying it doesn't make it so. The study's authors also found a link between undemocratic countries and the use of nice-sounding constitutional rhetoric, the likes of which you'll see in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in the course of their investigation.

Indeed. North Korea, anyone?

What do you think? Is the world wrong to move away from the principles of America's founding document, or is the U.S. out of step with the times?

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.nytimes.com.

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Fck U

Charleston, SC

#21 Feb 7, 2012
Liberal law professors should be executed.

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Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#22 Feb 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
I agree that we shouldn't much care what the rest of the world thinks of our Constitution. But what can you expect from other nations when they see our leaders themselves disregarding the document?
The very reason our nation is increasingly being seen as a declining former superpower, past it's prime, is precisely because we have allowed our leaders to drift so far away from the precepts of the Constitution as to make it nearly irrelevant.
When our nation scrupulously follows Constitutional principles, we grow and prosper. When we ignore those principles, we flounder and go into decline.
It is up to us to elect leaders, at all levels of government, who will respect the liberty ingrained within our Constitution. If those leaders fail to do so, it is up to us to remove them from power at the next election.
If our nation is to survive, it is time to get serious about electing people who will uphold our Constitution, put government back into it's place as the servant of the people, and free up our citizens to once again build an economic base that no other nation can equal.
We've done it before, we can do it again.
Without Ron Paul, I don't see that happening. We are too far gone and will take someone with enough balls to get serious about it. Paul is the only candidate with a persistent record of honoring the Constitution.

Since: May 10

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#23 Feb 8, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Without Ron Paul, I don't see that happening. We are too far gone and will take someone with enough balls to get serious about it. Paul is the only candidate with a persistent record of honoring the Constitution.
Unfortunately, I don't see Ron Paul coming anywhere close to winning the nomination. Even yesterdays triple win for Santorum didn't put much of a dent in Romney's delegate count, and it's delegates that choose the nominee.

However, I'm not even all that certain that the Presidency is the most important job in the land as far as our freedoms are concerned. City and county governments pass far more unconstitutional laws and ordinances that directly affect our liberty than the Federal government does, and even at the Federal level, it's congress that makes the laws. A President Ron Paul may veto everything that came across his desk, but what about the laws already passed? And even then, Paul would only have 4-8 years to undo over a century of big government usurpation of citizen's rights.

I believe that election freedom loving individuals to local office is just as important to maintaining that freedom as electing a President. If not more so.

It will take a fundamental shift in the people's thinking to elect leaders at all levels who are willing to both respect the Constitution AND undo the damage already done. Personally, I'm with you: We are too far gone and won't see fundamental change in our lifetimes. All we can do is practice in our own lives the precepts of liberty, vote for who we believe will undo the mess, and fight the good fight best we can. All the while keeping ourselves prepared for the eventual collapse it appears our government is either knowingly, or unknowingly, setting ourselves up for. Who knows, they may be able to keep the Ponzi scheme going for quite a while yet. But I'm not counting on it.

Since: Sep 07

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#25 Feb 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Unfortunately, I don't see Ron Paul coming anywhere close to winning the nomination. Even yesterdays triple win for Santorum didn't put much of a dent in Romney's delegate count, and it's delegates that choose the nominee.
However, I'm not even all that certain that the Presidency is the most important job in the land as far as our freedoms are concerned. City and county governments pass far more unconstitutional laws and ordinances that directly affect our liberty than the Federal government does, and even at the Federal level, it's congress that makes the laws. A President Ron Paul may veto everything that came across his desk, but what about the laws already passed? And even then, Paul would only have 4-8 years to undo over a century of big government usurpation of citizen's rights.
I believe that election freedom loving individuals to local office is just as important to maintaining that freedom as electing a President. If not more so.
It will take a fundamental shift in the people's thinking to elect leaders at all levels who are willing to both respect the Constitution AND undo the damage already done. Personally, I'm with you: We are too far gone and won't see fundamental change in our lifetimes. All we can do is practice in our own lives the precepts of liberty, vote for who we believe will undo the mess, and fight the good fight best we can. All the while keeping ourselves prepared for the eventual collapse it appears our government is either knowingly, or unknowingly, setting ourselves up for. Who knows, they may be able to keep the Ponzi scheme going for quite a while yet. But I'm not counting on it.
to begin with, social security is NOT a ponzi scam.

as for america collapsing, I don't see it as bad as you do.

all we need to do is elect people who respect the laws.. ENFORCE them.

then, back out all the stupid FTA that bush push through. screw nafta, cafta, and the outsourcing of all our jobs and factories.

that's it.

not so hard if get the right people on capitol hill.

in 2010, we got rid of 60 assholes. in 2012, we can get rid of the rest of these anti-american POS.

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#26 Feb 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, I don't see Ron Paul coming anywhere close to winning the nomination. Even yesterdays triple win for Santorum didn't put much of a dent in Romney's delegate count, and it's delegates that choose the nominee.
However, I'm not even all that certain that the Presidency is the most important job in the land as far as our freedoms are concerned. City and county governments pass far more unconstitutional laws and ordinances that directly affect our liberty than the Federal government does, and even at the Federal level, it's congress that makes the laws. A President Ron Paul may veto everything that came across his desk, but what about the laws already passed? And even then, Paul would only have 4-8 years to undo over a century of big government usurpation of citizen's rights.
I believe that election freedom loving individuals to local office is just as important to maintaining that freedom as electing a President. If not more so.
It will take a fundamental shift in the people's thinking to elect leaders at all levels who are willing to both respect the Constitution AND undo the damage already done. Personally, I'm with you: We are too far gone and won't see fundamental change in our lifetimes. All we can do is practice in our own lives the precepts of liberty, vote for who we believe will undo the mess, and fight the good fight best we can. All the while keeping ourselves prepared for the eventual collapse it appears our government is either knowingly, or unknowingly, setting ourselves up for. Who knows, they may be able to keep the Ponzi scheme going for quite a while yet. But I'm not counting on it.
"Unfortunately, I don't see Ron Paul coming anywhere close to winning the nomination."

I see writing on the wall that can only be seen with special glasses.
1.*They* keep looking for the "anti-Romney."
2. The anti-Romney is not Gingrich.
3. It is not Santorum either.
4. Obama IS Romney, Gingrich and Santorum on steroids.
5. There is an anti-Romney in the race, but the media still does their best to not mention his name.
6. Ron Paul is the anti-Romney, anti-establishment, anti-status quo candidate.
7. His supporters are unwavering and continuing to grow as more and more people hear his message of restoring our founding principles of fiscal responsibility, freedom, liberty, peace and prosperity.
8. Polls show he can beat Obama.
9. The only political bumper stickers I have seen so far is RON PAUL!

If Paul is not nominated, we're in trouble.

No, he can't save the country in four or eight years, but he can certainly set the stage for who would follow him; and who would get elected to the more local offices.

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Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#27 Feb 8, 2012
Asian Guy wrote:
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to begin with, social security is NOT a ponzi scam.
as for america collapsing, I don't see it as bad as you do.
all we need to do is elect people who respect the laws.. ENFORCE them.
then, back out all the stupid FTA that bush push through. screw nafta, cafta, and the outsourcing of all our jobs and factories.
that's it.
not so hard if get the right people on capitol hill.
in 2010, we got rid of 60 assholes. in 2012, we can get rid of the rest of these anti-american POS.
"to begin with, social security is NOT a ponzi scam."
No, it's much worse! At least with a ponzi scam, they promise you a return on your money. The government flat out says it may not be there for us later because they spent it. OR, if we want some of our money back, we must wait until we're too and decrepit to enjoy it.

"as for america collapsing, I don't see it as bad as you do."
What kind of position would your family be in if you were paying $50,000 per day just in interest payments to your creditors? If you don't think we are in a BAD situation, you have been asleep during the last four years. Maybe during the last 100 years.

"all we need to do is elect people who respect the laws.. ENFORCE them."
It's our LAWS that have created alot of our problems, Guy. So I will rephrase your statement;

"All we need to do is elect people who respect the CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS and DECLARATION OF INDEPENDANCE.. ENFORCE them."

Yes, enforce them and honor them, as they promise to do.
Like RON PAUL has done for 30 years.
Reader

United States

#28 Feb 8, 2012
Why should we be concerned with what other countries think?
abu

Preston, UK

#29 Feb 8, 2012
Ron Paul 2012! Only he can make America great again and respected around the world.

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#30 Feb 8, 2012
Ron Paul can win and will win. He's just getting started.
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Since: May 10

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#31 Feb 8, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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"Unfortunately, I don't see Ron Paul coming anywhere close to winning the nomination."
I see writing on the wall that can only be seen with special glasses.
1.*They* keep looking for the "anti-Romney."
2. The anti-Romney is not Gingrich.
3. It is not Santorum either.
4. Obama IS Romney, Gingrich and Santorum on steroids.
5. There is an anti-Romney in the race, but the media still does their best to not mention his name.
6. Ron Paul is the anti-Romney, anti-establishment, anti-status quo candidate.
7. His supporters are unwavering and continuing to grow as more and more people hear his message of restoring our founding principles of fiscal responsibility, freedom, liberty, peace and prosperity.
8. Polls show he can beat Obama.
9. The only political bumper stickers I have seen so far is RON PAUL!
If Paul is not nominated, we're in trouble.
No, he can't save the country in four or eight years, but he can certainly set the stage for who would follow him; and who would get elected to the more local offices.
I'm not looking for an "Anti-Romney". Personally, I believe that Romney would make a far better President than Obama. If he is nominated, I would vote for him with clear conscience.

Since: May 10

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#32 Feb 8, 2012
Here is only one reason I'm completely comfortable with the idea of Mitt Romney as President of the United States. This has been verified by media accounts, snopes.com , and politifact:

Subject: Romney's True Character

Yep, character does matter and what we are hearing out in the media is quite shocking . Thought you might like to see another side of one of the candidates. It appears there is more to the Bain Capital story than we know so I hope this story below is informative.

On Romney's character....
Sometimes, this facet of Romney’s personality isn ’t so subtle.

In July 1996, the 14-year-old daughter of Robert Gay, a partner at Bain Capital, had disappeared. She had attended a rave party in New York City and gotten high on ecstasy. Three days later, her distraught father had no idea where she was.

Romney took immediate action. He closed down the entire firm and asked all 30 partners and employees to fly to New York to help find Gay’s daughter. Romney set up a command center at the LaGuardia Marriott and hired a private detective firm to assist with the search. He established a toll-free number for tips, coordinating the effort with the NYPD , and went through his Rolodex and called everyone Bain did business with in New York , and asked them to help find his friend’s missing daughter.

Romney’s accountants at Price Waterhouse Cooper put up posters on street poles, while cashiers at a pharmacy owned by Bain put fliers in the bag of every shopper. Romney and the other Bain employees scoured every part of New York and talked with everyone they could – prostitutes, drug addicts – anyone.
That day, their hunt made the evening news, which featured photos of the girl and the Bain employees searching for her. As a result, a teenage boy phoned in, asked if there was a reward, and then hung up abruptly. The NYPD traced the call to a home in New Jersey , where they found the girl in the basement, shivering and experiencing withdrawal symptoms from a massive ecstasy dose. Doctors later said the girl might not have survived another day.

Romney’s former partner credits Mitt Romney with saving his daughter’s life, saying,“It was the most amazing thing, and I’ll never forget this to the day I die.”
So, here’s my epiphany: Mitt Romney simply can’t help himself. He sees a problem, and his mind immediately sets to work solving it, sometimes consciously, and sometimes not-so-consciously. He doesn ’t do it for self-aggrandizement, or for personal gain. He does it because that’s just how he’s wired.

Many people are unaware of the fact that when Romney was asked by his old employer, Bill Bain , to come back to Bain & Company as CEO to rescue the firm from bankruptcy, Romney left Bain Capital to work at Bain & Company for an annual salary of one dollar.

When Romney went to the rescue of the 2002 Salt Lake Olympics, he accepted no salary for three years, and wouldn ’t use an expense account. He also accepted no salary as Governor of Massachusetts.

Character counts!!(and yes...that's worth reading again!)

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#33 Feb 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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I'm not looking for an "Anti-Romney". Personally, I believe that Romney would make a far better President than Obama. If he is nominated, I would vote for him with clear conscience.
If Romney's nominated, I will write in Ron Paul. And so will all other Ron Paul supporters.

Since: May 10

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#34 Feb 8, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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If Romney's nominated, I will write in Ron Paul. And so will all other Ron Paul supporters.
You might, but I doubt you speak for all Paul supporters.

I know one Paul supporter in Iowa who voted for McCain, because McCain was the Republican nominee.

Ron Paul has already stated that he will support whomever the Republican nominee happens to be, if it isn't him.

If Paul supporters throw a "temper-tantrum", and conduct a write-in campaign, then that means you aren't nearly as serious about removing Obama from office as the rest of us are.

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SE Michigan

#35 Feb 9, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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You might, but I doubt you speak for all Paul supporters.
I know one Paul supporter in Iowa who voted for McCain, because McCain was the Republican nominee.
Ron Paul has already stated that he will support whomever the Republican nominee happens to be, if it isn't him.
If Paul supporters throw a "temper-tantrum", and conduct a write-in campaign, then that means you aren't nearly as serious about removing Obama from office as the rest of us are.
Removing Obama is not my ultimate goal. The majority of the republicans are not much different than him in my eyes. Obama sucks, there's no doubt about that, but the others are similarly for big government, taxing, spending and wars. Nothing ever changes but the speed at which they destroy the country. The dems do it faster.

I was a huge Bush supporter. Now look what we have in the Patriot Act. Total loss of privacy and loss of personal liberty. Our Constitution being violated in so many ways. Bailouts that shouldn't have happened, and so much more. America is being destroyed and it's more than just Obama doing it.

"Our founders would be ashamed of what we're putting up with."

My ultimate goal is to elect someone who will restore America to it's founding principles and uphold and defend the Constitution, as they promise to do. Only one man will do that- RON PAUL. He's proved it.

You're right, I can't speak for other Paul supporters, but I can assure you, a great many of them are so devoted to this cause, they will not waver.

Four more years of Obama = eight years of Romney.

Now...If Romney keeps slipping in the primaries,(which Ron Paul has never done) Paul could put him on the ticket for VP and he could learn from Ron Paul how to stand on principle and obey the Constitution. This could set him up for the presidency in say four or eight years.

This would ensure an Obama loss.
Cat74

Westmont, IL

#36 Feb 9, 2012
As long as the Constitution appeals to Americans who cares what foreigners think of it. Americans fought, and died for what we believe in. We will again.

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#37 Feb 9, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Removing Obama is not my ultimate goal. The majority of the republicans are not much different than him in my eyes. Obama sucks, there's no doubt about that, but the others are similarly for big government, taxing, spending and wars. Nothing ever changes but the speed at which they destroy the country. The dems do it faster.
I was a huge Bush supporter. Now look what we have in the Patriot Act. Total loss of privacy and loss of personal liberty. Our Constitution being violated in so many ways. Bailouts that shouldn't have happened, and so much more. America is being destroyed and it's more than just Obama doing it.
"Our founders would be ashamed of what we're putting up with."
My ultimate goal is to elect someone who will restore America to it's founding principles and uphold and defend the Constitution, as they promise to do. Only one man will do that- RON PAUL. He's proved it.
You're right, I can't speak for other Paul supporters, but I can assure you, a great many of them are so devoted to this cause, they will not waver.
Four more years of Obama = eight years of Romney.
Now...If Romney keeps slipping in the primaries,(which Ron Paul has never done) Paul could put him on the ticket for VP and he could learn from Ron Paul how to stand on principle and obey the Constitution. This could set him up for the presidency in say four or eight years.
This would ensure an Obama loss.
Removing Obama is my ultimate goal. His Presidency has been a disaster for our nation and our nation's morale. Even though there sometimes aren't huge differences in policy between Presidential candidates, there are enough differences to MAKE difference, even it it's a small one. I'll always vote for the lesser of two evils if that is the only choice presented. A slow slide towards socialism is preferable to a giant leap, because at least that buys us some time for more Americans to perhaps "pull their heads out".(Understand that I don't hold out great hope for that either..I think the folks who are getting something for nothing from government are far more selfish, let alone vastly more numerous, than the "rich", thus their power base will be tough to beat, so I'm still remaining prepared for the worst.)

As great a libertarian ideologue as Ron Paul is, and I mean that in a good way, he would still have either a Republican or Democrat congress to deal with, and they write the laws, so I wouldn't expect big changes, but perhaps a hold on policy (which of course the Democrats would call a halt of "progress").

Understand if Paul is the one on the ballot, I will proudly vote for him, despite my concerns with his foreign policy stance. I voted for heavily Libertarian-leaning Adam Kokesh for Congress in New Mexico, for instance, primarily because I believe the Republican party needs a shake up (he didn't win the primary). However, in New Mexico, we rarely, if ever, get to vote for any Republican Presidential nominee. Our primary is so late in the year (next to last on the calendar) that the Republican nominee is usually already chosen, so we just don't hold one.

My major concern for our nation is that a great number of citizens just don't care about the constitution anymore. It will take a great shift in people's thinking to really bring this nation back to it's Constitutional roots, because it has to happen at every level, and elected officials at every level need to get the boot. I'm afraid, if Ron Paul were to be elected President, he would be seen as an anomaly rather than as a the norm, as he'd be fighting a losing battle with entrenched political power for his whole term(s). I would much rather see a change from the bottom up, rather than from the top down.

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