Still no solution for illegal immigrants' long-term care costs

With an infant son, a common-law wife who's a U.S. citizen and a job at a Galveston bait shop, Francisco Martinez was working toward the American dream. Full Story
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Moliner

Yuma, AZ

#1 Oct 29, 2011
In order to work towards the American Dream, I think you have to be an American, not an illegal alien.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2 Oct 29, 2011
it seems if they are proud of who they are they would stay in their own country and be a proud citizen at their homeland and not a begger here.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#3 Oct 30, 2011
No beggers.....we work each and every day.

We just want to provide for our families both here and in Mexico.
Dial 1 For ICE

Omaha, NE

#4 Oct 30, 2011
Juan wrote:
No beggers.....we work each and every day.
We just want to provide for our families both here and in Mexico.
You're a thief!
Pando

Fort Mohave, AZ

#5 Oct 30, 2011
Question #1 why isn't the Galveston bait shop Martinez was working for footing the bill? He fell off the roof of the bait shop so why wasn't he covered with worker's compensation?

If the bait shop owner didn't have Martinez insured he should be paying for his medical care -- all of it. Just another cost of hiring an ILLEGAL ALIEN.

By the way I know two people paralyzed from the chest down and they aren't in long term care. They are home being cared for by their families. They do quite a lot for themselves and just get assistance for what they can't manage.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#6 Oct 30, 2011
going to an er and not paying the bill is the same as begging.
Moliner

Yuma, AZ

#7 Oct 30, 2011
tomin cali wrote:
going to an er and not paying the bill is the same as begging.
Actually, it is more like stealing.

Beggars can be denied. Hospitals can't deny emergency medical treatment.
Lazy rednecks

Elkhart, IN

#8 Oct 30, 2011
Another redneck article.. When is this "foroum" going to have some decent articles from good websites not from rednecks that pays 7.99$ a month just to put stupid stuff? Get real.
Lazy rednecks

Elkhart, IN

#9 Oct 30, 2011
Moliner wrote:
In order to work towards the American Dream, I think you have to be an American, not an illegal alien.
You dont know the meaning of " American Dream" i feel sorry for you..
Mthmk

Baldwin, GA

#10 Oct 30, 2011
Moliner wrote:
In order to work towards the American Dream, I think you have to be an American, not an illegal alien.
GOOD POINT!!! If so.done truly respected the American way of life they would do it the tight way, by the law, not cut in line and steal it from those who do.it the right way. About the buy who got hurt on the roof of the bait shop; why was his employer not responsible for his long term care. The American people are tired of being rezpozible for bills we shouldn't be. Se d him back to Mexico for care. Why does he have an option and stick the American taxpayers with the bill.

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#11 Oct 30, 2011
Send these illegal parasites back to their home country. Prom solved.
for all kinds

Sanford, NC

#12 Oct 30, 2011
Dial 1 For ICE wrote:
<quoted text>You're a thief!
and you're an jerk
Pando

Fort Mohave, AZ

#13 Oct 30, 2011
for all kinds wrote:
<quoted text>
and you're an jerk
It's not illegal to be a jerk. Being a thief will get you arrested.
Moliner

Yuma, AZ

#14 Oct 30, 2011
Lazy rednecks wrote:
<quoted text> You dont know the meaning of " American Dream" i feel sorry for you..
American Dream
noun

the ideals of freedom, equality and opportunity traditionally held to be available to every American.

courtesy of dictionary.reference.com

Don't feel sorry for me. I've been living the American Dream for more than 60 years.
Who

Stockton, CA

#15 Oct 30, 2011
Lazy rednecks wrote:
<quoted text> You dont know the meaning of " American Dream" i feel sorry for you..
Well then, why don't you enlighten us genius.
Mthmk

Perry, GA

#16 Oct 31, 2011
Juan wrote:
No beggers.....we work each and every day.
We just want to provide for our families both here and in Mexico.
You are cheaters because you "broke" into "America's House" without the owner's permission and disrespect the U. S. while cutting in front of the people who do want to be citizens the riaght way and cause problems for all Hispanics that are legal a problem. Because you want a job and a better life give you no more right than it does for me to rob a bank because I want a nicer place to live. When you come here illegally it affects the number that are can come here legally because low skilled people require benefits. That is part of reason government is going broke; we can't afford you because you have three times as many children who are born in our hospitals (at 5,000.00 per birth) educationed a d fed. Do you think it is fair that I am required thru my taxes to take of you thru my taxes while I struggle to take care of my family. You are selfish taking advantage of this country. If you tame advantage of our services or use false id to work YOU ARE THIEVES.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#17 Oct 31, 2011
Illegal alien Health care costs in Miami

"Roldan knows the numbers. Last year, undocumented immigrants visited
Jackson 77,415 times, costing the system $38 million in unpaid care. So far
this year, 54,858 visits have cost $33 million.

That is less than 10 percent of the $500 million the system spends on
charity care each year, but more than half of the $56 million that Jackson
expects to lose this fiscal year.

To varying degrees, all hospitals in the region have had to pay for
undocumented immigrant care costs. Broward Health, the public system in
North Broward, estimates it spent about $16 million last year treating about
12,000 foreign patients who were probably undocumented.

In Miami-Dade, some are poor laborers who never get primary care and end up
in the emergency room very sick.

``Our hands in many ways are tied,'' says Jackson spokesman Robert Alonso.
``If you do the bare minimum, you are literally sentencing that patient to
death. All the ethical and moral issues are there.''

Jackson has never gone to the lengths of Martin Memorial Center in Stuart,
which in 2003 chartered a plane to take Luis Alberto Jimenez back to his
native Guatemala. An illegal immigrant, he had cost the hospital more than
$1 million after a car accident left him in a coma. The hospital acted while
a relative was still battling in court to stop the deportation.

In Jackson's experience, undocumented patients can run from young children
needing transplants to the elderly. Last year, 13 percent of them were over
65. Since they do not quality for Medicare, the hospital did not get
reimbursed for $4.6 million of their care cost.

NURSING HOMES

For long-term cases, Jackson operates two nursing homes -- one on Northwest
22nd Avenue, about two miles from Jackson Memorial, and the other off Old
Cutler Road in South Dade. About two-thirds of these patients are on
Medicaid, the federal-state insurer of the poor, and most of the remaining
third are undocumented immigrants.

Both facilities lose money, but at $318 a patient a day, they cost the
system considerably less than caring for them in the hospital, where charges
average $2,000 daily.

Altogether, the two facilities have about 95 undocumented immigrants. In all
cases, the patients are there because they need continuing care. Jackson
says it can't release any information about them because of privacy laws.

Most government programs do not pay for undocumented immigrants, but under
Section 1011 of the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003, the federal
government provided for their care $250 million a year for fiscal years 2005
through 2008. The program was extended to 2009, but there is no provision
for next year.

Sandra Johnson at Jackson says Section 1011 funds are strongly stacked
toward the West Coast. Only $8 million a year go to Florida, while
California gets $70 million, Texas $46 million and Arizona $45 million.

To get some of that money, Jackson submitted 2,908 claims in 2008 for $23.4
million. It was reimbursed $543,621.31.

Jackson officials want Congress to resurrect the program for next year, with
much fairer funding for Florida.

Outside the emergency room, Jackson's primary care clinics treat anyone who
can prove they are a resident of Miami-Dade -- with an electric bill, child
in the school system, or such -- but many immigration experts say those who
fear deportation are unlikely to appear at a government facility for basic
healthcare. Only when they get truly sick do they show up in ERs. "

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/top-stories/s...

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#18 Oct 31, 2011
US jury favors hospital that deported immigrant

MIAMI - A hospital that sent a seriously brain injured illegal immigrant
back to Guatemala - over the objections of his family and legal guardian -
did not act unreasonably, a jury found Monday.

Deputy Court Clerk Carol Harper said the unanimous six-member jury found in
favor of the hospital and against the guardian of 37-year-old Luis Jimenez,
a Mayan Indian from Guatemala.

Health care and immigration experts across the country have closely watched
the court case in the sleepy, coastal town of Stuart. The hospital had cared
for Jimenez, who was uninsured, for three years. But it was unable to find
any nursing home to take him permanently because his immigration status
meant the government would not reimburse his care.

"Hospitals are not intended to become long-term housing," said Linda Quick,
president of the South Florida Hospital & Healthcare Association. "The issue
is that there are no long-term providers required to take people for whom
they know they are not going to be paid."

She said that as a result of the case, hospitals will likely begin planning
for discharge as soon as they admit patients they suspect cannot pay and
could require long-term care.

The lawsuit filed by Jimenez's cousin and legal guardian sought nearly $1
million to cover the estimated lifetime costs of Jimenez's care in
Guatemala, as well as damages.

The hospital said it was merely following a court order - which was being
appealed at the time - and that Jimenez wanted to go home.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090728/ap_on_re_...

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#19 Oct 31, 2011
There's a solution, deport them.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#20 Oct 31, 2011
Mthmk wrote:
<quoted text>
You are cheaters because you "broke" into "America's House" without the owner's permission and disrespect the U. S. while cutting in front of the people who do want to be citizens the riaght way and cause problems for all Hispanics that are legal a problem. Because you want a job and a better life give you no more right than it does for me to rob a bank because I want a nicer place to live. When you come here illegally it affects the number that are can come here legally because low skilled people require benefits. That is part of reason government is going broke; we can't afford you because you have three times as many children who are born in our hospitals (at 5,000.00 per birth) educationed a d fed. Do you think it is fair that I am required thru my taxes to take of you thru my taxes while I struggle to take care of my family. You are selfish taking advantage of this country. If you tame advantage of our services or use false id to work YOU ARE THIEVES.
We come for a better life for ourselves and our children. I was brought here as an infant by my parents and consider myself american, we should be given amnesty.

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