Supreme Court takes up Mich. law bann...

Supreme Court takes up Mich. law banning affirmative action

There are 21 comments on the thehill.com story from Mar 25, 2013, titled Supreme Court takes up Mich. law banning affirmative action. In it, thehill.com reports that:

The court took up a challenge to a Michigan law that bans the use of race in college admissions.

The Supreme Court said Monday it will hear yet another high-profile case on affirmative action. The court took up a challenge to a Michigan law that bans the use of race in college admissions. The court is already set to rule this year in a suit over affirmative ...

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Robert

Douglasville, GA

#1 Mar 25, 2013
They really need to get rid of this affirmative action stuff, it has been about 35 years since someone explained to me that the job I was not getting was going to a black person person who had a lower score than I because they were making up for past discrimination with affirmative action. The sole reason he got the job and I did not was because he was black, if I had been black I would have got the job because I scored higher on the test. Somehow it was racism when a black person (not even the one they hired) was denied the job because he was black but it was not racism when I was denied the job solely because I was white.

As I say, I still remember how I felt even though it was 35 years ago. Perhaps they should not solve discrimination with discrimination unless they want it to stay around.
Lance Winslow

San Jose, CA

#2 Mar 25, 2013
Robert wrote:
They really need to get rid of this affirmative action stuff, it has been about 35 years since someone explained to me that the job I was not getting was going to a black person person who had a lower score than I because they were making up for past discrimination with affirmative action. The sole reason he got the job and I did not was because he was black, if I had been black I would have got the job because I scored higher on the test. Somehow it was racism when a black person (not even the one they hired) was denied the job because he was black but it was not racism when I was denied the job solely because I was white.
As I say, I still remember how I felt even though it was 35 years ago. Perhaps they should not solve discrimination with discrimination unless they want it to stay around.
They just said he got the job because he was black to spare telling you that you were not hired because you are ignorant, ugly, and have bad breath. Get over it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Mar 25, 2013
Robert wrote:
They really need to get rid of this affirmative action stuff, it has been about 35 years since someone explained to me that the job I was not getting was going to a black person person who had a lower score than I because they were making up for past discrimination with affirmative action. The sole reason he got the job and I did not was because he was black, if I had been black I would have got the job because I scored higher on the test. Somehow it was racism when a black person (not even the one they hired) was denied the job because he was black but it was not racism when I was denied the job solely because I was white.
As I say, I still remember how I felt even though it was 35 years ago. Perhaps they should not solve discrimination with discrimination unless they want it to stay around.
But it was okay to discriminate against blacks for 200+ years?

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#4 Mar 25, 2013
Discrimination is wrong, so affirmative action laws are wrong.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Mar 25, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
Discrimination is wrong, so affirmative action laws are wrong.
Affirmative action laws don't discriminate. ANYONE who is a member of a group which experienced centuries of systemic institutionalized discrimination is eligible for affirmative action programs.

See, equal.
Ninthman

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#6 Mar 25, 2013
Fck Affirmative action. Fck it hard.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#7 Mar 25, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
Discrimination is wrong, so affirmative action laws are wrong.
Yes, and no.

In a simple black and white, two dimensional world, yes. But in our real world, with real history, no.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#8 Mar 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
But it was okay to discriminate against blacks for 200+ years?
So what, explain how it is ok to to punish someone else 200 years later who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#9 Mar 25, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and no.
In a simple black and white, two dimensional world, yes. But in our real world, with real history, no.
that makes as much sense as people who scream at the top of their lungs against abortion but cheer on capital punishment.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#10 Mar 26, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>that makes as much sense as people who scream at the top of their lungs against abortion but cheer on capital punishment.
to a child.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Mar 26, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>So what, explain how it is ok to to punish someone else 200 years later who had absolutely nothing to do with it.
If you're alive you have something to do with it.

If you're white or male or straight or christian, then you benefit TODAY from centuries of preferential treatment.

No one is being "punished" when we right the wrongs of the past & present.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#12 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Affirmative action laws don't discriminate. ANYONE who is a member of a group which experienced centuries of systemic institutionalized discrimination is eligible for affirmative action programs.
See, equal.
As soon as you put a qualifier -- "which experiences..." -- you discriminate against those who don't qualify.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#13 Mar 26, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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As soon as you put a qualifier -- "which experiences..." -- you discriminate against those who don't qualify.
Both race & gender qualify as groups which experienced institutionalized discrimintion.

Which of those don't you qualify for?

Have you no race?
Have you no gender?
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#14 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If you're alive you have something to do with it.
If you're white or male or straight or christian, then you benefit TODAY from centuries of preferential treatment.
No one is being "punished" when we right the wrongs of the past & present.
You can not pay for the sins of your fathers and you can not solve discrimination with discrimination, affirmative action is discrimination.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Mar 26, 2013
Robert wrote:
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You can not pay for the sins of your fathers and you can not solve discrimination with discrimination, affirmative action is discrimination.
Nope, it applies to everyone equally.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#16 Mar 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, it applies to everyone equally.
What a warped brain that when 2 people apply for the same thing and regardless of merit one gets picked in preference over another solely because of the color of their skin it is not discrimination.

I guess it is like marriage, everyone is treated equally, everyone has an equal chance to marry someone of the opposite sex.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#17 Mar 26, 2013
Robert wrote:
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What a warped brain that when 2 people apply for the same thing and regardless of merit one gets picked in preference over another solely because of the color of their skin it is not discrimination.
I guess it is like marriage, everyone is treated equally, everyone has an equal chance to marry someone of the opposite sex.
Nope, not the same thing at all.

It's not the color of your skin, but rather a history of suffering institutionalized discrimination which gives them preference.

If you can demonstrate you suffered from that institutionalized discrimination, then you qualify for affirmative action.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#18 Mar 26, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and no.
In a simple black and white, two dimensional world, yes. But in our real world, with real history, no.
No matter how hard you try, you'll never change history.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#19 Mar 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, not the same thing at all.
It's not the color of your skin, but rather a history of suffering institutionalized discrimination which gives them preference.
If you can demonstrate you suffered from that institutionalized discrimination, then you qualify for affirmative action.
The guy who got my job did not suffer under anything and while his ancestors were in chains mine were being starved to death by the British. It does not matter why you choose someone for a job or entrance to a school if you do it based on the color of his skin you are practicing racial discrimination. If you were really concerned about righting perceived wrongs in this case instead of giving someone a break they don't deserve on merit you would offer them the opportunity to improve their skills so they could be admitted on merit. If the university of Michigan has a discriminatory past make them sponsor college prep classes in Michigan high schools.

You seem to forget that what we are dealing with is that they have black students who were weighed and found wanting getting the slots from white students who scored higher than they. Don't you see how that can do nothing but foster bigoted racial attitudes in the ones who were passed over and just perpetuate the problem.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#20 Mar 27, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
The guy who got my job did not suffer under anything and while his ancestors were in chains mine were being starved to death by the British. It does not matter why you choose someone for a job or entrance to a school if you do it based on the color of his skin you are practicing racial discrimination. If you were really concerned about righting perceived wrongs in this case instead of giving someone a break they don't deserve on merit you would offer them the opportunity to improve their skills so they could be admitted on merit. If the university of Michigan has a discriminatory past make them sponsor college prep classes in Michigan high schools.
You seem to forget that what we are dealing with is that they have black students who were weighed and found wanting getting the slots from white students who scored higher than they. Don't you see how that can do nothing but foster bigoted racial attitudes in the ones who were passed over and just perpetuate the problem.
Now you've finally hit on the real problem- our educational system.

I've been fighting to change our educational system for decades. As long as public elementary & high schools are funded on real estate taxes, there will be inequities. Poor (overwhelmingly minority) communities are at a distinct disadvantage, stuck with sending their kids to schools which are literally falling down while the rich school district next door builds a $60 million football stadium for their students (Dallas suburb).

It's all tied to generational poverty among minority communities which is largely a result of past & present institutionalized state sponsored discrimination.

Gee, now I wonder why some kids (overwhelmingly minority) are less qualified for college?

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