University of Texas Find No Misconduct By Anti-Gay Researcher Regnerus

Aug 31, 2012 | Posted by: Sei | Full story: lezgetreal.com

In an unsurprising move, the University of Texas at Austin have rejected charges of scientific and academic misconduct leveled against sociology professor Mark Regnerus following the publication of a 'study' that found supposed negative life outcomes among children who had one parent who engaged in same-sex relationships.

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hi hi

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*shrug* Every court case that mentions this study is a glowing doorway through which the pro-gay should step with an eagerness that could only make the antigay very, very uneasy.

For the moment this study is cited in any court case, the other side can call *numerous doctors, scientists, etc.*, members of the organizations which have denounced the study -- witness, after witness, after witness -- to *specifically denounce* the findings of the study and to explain to the court *precisely why* the study is deeply problematic.

Simple.

This should barely cause you to BLINK in your determination that these battles will continue to be fought nonstop, etc. etc.

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It's already happened...and the AMA, APA, and a bunch of others have already filed briefs in response to it.
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As if normal people need some study showing how it's bad for kids to be around homosexuals. That's just common sense. Studies showing otherwise are just political fictions so homosexuals can get access to other peoples' kids.
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Sei wrote:
It's already happened...and the AMA, APA, and a bunch of others have already filed briefs in response to it.
Isn't it kind of sad, Sei? SO MANY battles, going on in SO many contexts and on SO many fronts. Everyone who believes in equality will thank themselves later, because it's what is needed.

Some problems are solved with cooperation, respect and love. Others are fought with a savagery that is scary. Gay rights battles are more in the latter category than the former, of course, hahaha.
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As if normal people need some study showing how it's bad for kids to be around homosexuals. That's just common sense. Studies showing otherwise are just political fictions so homosexuals can get access to other peoples' kids.
Take. this. to. court. and tell it to the judges.

Dare. you.

Double. dare. you.

WHY won't any of you say these things in court? WHY won't your representatives and attorneys, the people guiding the minions like you,*NOT* saying these things in court? EVER?

Oh, that's right, the antigay perpetuate these *known lies* because they put fear into people, which is why I am now advocating that *these lies be introduced* IN ALL COURT CASES concerning gay rights henceforth, and put on public record in *EVERY* court transcript.

Starting with the gay marriage case in Nevada.

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The problem is that this so-called "study" was published - it's out there.

Even though it is trash and no valid conclusions can be drawn from it, it is already being hailed by NOM and other anti-gay groups as proof that children raised by the gays and lesbians do not do as well. And when NOM and those groups refer to this study in their fund-raising literature and such, they are not going to be adding any caveats about the fact that it is garbage.

And their loyal, bleeting followers will accept this as truth. Why would they bother to fact check? When someone who shares your values tells you a lie, or stretches the truth beyond all recognition, you are not going to double-check the facts.

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Janice wrote:
As if normal people need some study showing how it's bad for kids to be around homosexuals. That's just common sense. Studies showing otherwise are just political fictions so homosexuals can get access to other peoples' kids.
Many of those "other people's kids" were born homosexual too. If you claim that you've never seen a pre-pubescent child who was obviously gay or transexual, you're either terribly naive or just a plain liar. That's typical of many of you christians -- the extreme denial. You think that by denying the homosexuality of your own children you can make it go away. Homosexuality is always in someone else's family, not your own --'oh no, my children were all born 'normal'... until the day your teenager stops being open with you ... and then your hatred and bigotry has come home to roost.

And that's also the point that many of these 'researchers' miss: The negative consequences (if any) for children raised by homosexuals can be attributed, not to the fact that the parents are gay, but to the disdain with which Society treats them. How would you like to be the child of parents who are treated with disgust by Society, without their having any blame in the matter? They raise you in love and kindness, but you realize you have to hide their circumstances from your friends at school for fear of ostracism by the community? How typically christian ... enough to make you sick!
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The problem is that this so-called "study" was published - it's out there.
Even though it is trash and no valid conclusions can be drawn from it, it is already being hailed by NOM and other anti-gay groups as proof that children raised by the gays and lesbians do not do as well. And when NOM and those groups refer to this study in their fund-raising literature and such, they are not going to be adding any caveats about the fact that it is garbage.
And their loyal, bleeting followers will accept this as truth. Why would they bother to fact check? When someone who shares your values tells you a lie, or stretches the truth beyond all recognition, you are not going to double-check the facts.
Granted; all the more reason to destroy it by tying it to every court case the pro-gay can. By the admission of what you yourself say, what more can one do? You can't *force* them by the nose to look at the facts; you can marshal the facts and then make a very, very *LOUD* and public display of said facts.

Over and over and over.

There is little more you can do, but certainly one does not "lie down and die" simply because the study was published (nor am I saying you said this; I am saying that every last antigay effort *MUST* be an endlessly, endlessly stubborn call to the pro-gay to continue to fight nonstop).
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They're not gonna stop this, PROMISE.

GUARANTEED, the antigay will not stop and they *will* be continuing to do this through 2012 and into 2013 and 2014 and so on.

The greatest thing the pro-gay can do is to refuse even to *blink* in standing up to them -- quite literally -- with an endlessness that *will* exhaust some of their ranks, I promise you, if it is kept up action for action, accusation for accusation, day for day, point for point. In fact, it's the most glorious weapon the pro-gay have: to be so stubborn they want to *kill* you, although of course they can't.
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qwerty26 wrote:
The problem is that this so-called "study" was published - it's out there.
Even though it is trash and no valid conclusions can be drawn from it, it is already being hailed by NOM and other anti-gay groups as proof that children raised by the gays and lesbians do not do as well. And when NOM and those groups refer to this study in their fund-raising literature and such, they are not going to be adding any caveats about the fact that it is garbage.
And their loyal, bleeting followers will accept this as truth. Why would they bother to fact check? When someone who shares your values tells you a lie, or stretches the truth beyond all recognition, you are not going to double-check the facts.
So the "social sciences" should have only one permissible viewpoint, with the only legitimate funding source being the taxpayers, and the only legitimate outcome being one politically favorable to the homosexual political activists?
Doesn't sound very scientific.
It sounds more like pseudo-science perpetrating an academic fraud to achieve political ends for the Democrat party, at taxpayer expense.

"Sociology" is just a way for wanna-be politicians to theorize for actual politicians.
Cuts both ways.
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Judy wrote:
<quoted text>So the "social sciences" should have only one permissible viewpoint,
Translation: There should be only one *true* outcome to a study, and YOU don't like what it is.
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with the only legitimate funding source being the taxpayers,
Translation: It's awfully suspicious that the antigay fund a study which is ripped apart *by impartial scientists*, no?
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and the only legitimate outcome being one politically favorable to the homosexual political activists?
Translation: See first point.
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Doesn't sound very scientific.
Oh, I bet. I bet it sounds like something you wish had never happened, to be honest.

Because it is *paramount* to you that the study draw ANTIGAY conclusions, quite frankly. No? Of course it is.
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It sounds more like pseudo-science perpetrating an academic fraud to achieve political ends for the Democrat party, at taxpayer expense.
Funny you'd say so. Facts you can't erase preceded this study, and they are *gay-neutral* in nature. The point is not that you hate any given study for being neutral; you *desire* for studies to be *virulently antigay*. If they refuse, you do what the antigay do all the time: attack everyone from the establishment to an entire gigantic group of tens of millions of people for not producing the results you insist upon seeing.

Sucks to be you, wouldn't you say?

You tell me.
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"Sociology" is just a way for wanna-be politicians to theorize for actual politicians.
Cuts both ways.
Right, except it doesn't because what you've done here is claim that *antigay vitriol* as well is useless and pointless, unless you're ONLY targeting the pro-gay sociologists.

Or did you not mean to give away your real intentions like that with the very last two sentences of your post?

Because these last two sentences of your post are the dead giveaway that tells everyone what you *really* meant, if you reread them and think about it.
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Janice wrote:
As if normal people need some study showing how it's bad for kids to be around homosexuals. That's just common sense. Studies showing otherwise are just political fictions so homosexuals can get access to other peoples' kids.
That's exactly what I was thinking. We do not need proof or studies. Common sense is quite enough. I think homosexuals themselves demonstrate it with some of the bone-headed things they do with kids, like take them to gay pride parades.

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Judy wrote:
<quoted text>So the "social sciences" should have only one permissible viewpoint, with the only legitimate funding source being the taxpayers, and the only legitimate outcome being one politically favorable to the homosexual political activists?
Doesn't sound very scientific.
It sounds more like pseudo-science perpetrating an academic fraud to achieve political ends for the Democrat party, at taxpayer expense.
"Sociology" is just a way for wanna-be politicians to theorize for actual politicians.
Cuts both ways.
That's a legitimate argument, Judy, provided the 'study' meets certain criteria for scientific research. Peer review, for one thing, is a requirement that the scientific community insists upon before any conclusions can be considered legitimate. This particular study does not meet that requirement, therefore its conclusions are suspect. If you are not willing to allow your peers to comment on your research methods, then you cannot blame them for rejecting its validity. Even a Universtiy ruling on its own study cannot legitimize something which the scientific community rejects.
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Umninimuzi wrote:
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That's a legitimate argument, Judy, provided the 'study' meets certain criteria for scientific research. Peer review, for one thing, is a requirement that the scientific community insists upon before any conclusions can be considered legitimate. This particular study does not meet that requirement, therefore its conclusions are suspect. If you are not willing to allow your peers to comment on your research methods, then you cannot blame them for rejecting its validity. Even a Universtiy ruling on its own study cannot legitimize something which the scientific community rejects.
Lemme be really blunt.

They're hysterical with fury because the *one study* that supports their antigay hatred has been ripped to shreds the day it was published.

They're not about to let that go. This is going to *have to be* ripped to shreds in court contexts to make the point clear, mark my words.

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Many of those "other people's kids" were born homosexual too. If you claim that you've never seen a pre-pubescent child who was obviously gay or transexual, you're either terribly naive or just a plain liar.
I didn't find out until I was an adult that my parents expected me to grow up and find a boyfriend. My parents weren't that knowledgeable about transsexuality...but they thought I was gay from a very young age. It was difficult for them to deal with me being transsexual and lesbian.

So, yeah, kids can show that they're gay very early.

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The problem is that this so-called "study" was published - it's out there.
Even though it is trash and no valid conclusions can be drawn from it, it is already being hailed by NOM and other anti-gay groups as proof that children raised by the gays and lesbians do not do as well. And when NOM and those groups refer to this study in their fund-raising literature and such, they are not going to be adding any caveats about the fact that it is garbage.
And their loyal, bleeting followers will accept this as truth. Why would they bother to fact check? When someone who shares your values tells you a lie, or stretches the truth beyond all recognition, you are not going to double-check the facts.
"Even though it is trash and no valid conclusions can be drawn from it"

Actually you are incorrect as the study is shown to be valid and objective, problem is you prefer different results.

You want to re-write it till it suits your objective , in other words you want to lie but to bad the study is out there because it is true.

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That's exactly what I was thinking. We do not need proof or studies. Common sense is quite enough. I think homosexuals themselves demonstrate it with some of the bone-headed things they do with kids, like take them to gay pride parades.
Amen.

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Actually you are incorrect as the study is shown to be valid and objective, problem is you prefer different results.
Valid and objective you say?

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/bombshel...
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/13/opini...
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/ethics-c...
http://instinctmagazine.com/blogs/blog/petiti...
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/06/25/5060...

Oh and hon, the report of the "inquiry" as to whether there should be an official investigation made into the academic and scientific fraud allegations raised against Regnerus doesn't even try to determine whether the study was valid:

http://www.utexas.edu/opa/wordpress/news/file...

see page 3

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Fraud (and crime in general) has to be proven or innocence is presumed. OJ Simpson was found "not guilty", too.

It's too bad American Medical Association has no balls, it has no interest in protecting the public, only in protecting doctors. When Andrew Wakefield produced a bogus "study" on vaccinations which was proven to be a fraud, the British medical association not only revoked his article, they apologized for it and Wakefield was permanently barred from practicing medicine in England.

Wakefield now lives full time in the US because idiot Americans listen to him, and the AMA only cares about making money for insurance companies, not the public's health and well being. I have not doubt that if HIV/AIDS denial happened today (the bullshit claim that HIV does not cause AIDS), the AMA would allow such stupidity to go unchallenged.

Regnerus is on the same level of "science" as those idiots.

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Depending on what they mean by "academic misconduct".. There are all sorts of ways to make wrong things look right.. ask the FBI.. ask any lawyer..

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