Knoxville residents rail against proposed Norfolk Southern terminal

May 27, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. - 10 News has obtained Jefferson County Chamber of Commerce documents that outline a $133 million private-public partnership with Norfolk Southern to build an intermodal rail-and-truck transport facility.

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Honestly IMO if this is near your home and you don't like it then moving would be the best option for everyone. I know some people have been on their land for years but at the same time you have to consider that this will be a great economic boom for that area, it is needed badly as well. thousands of jobs would be wonderful, especially with the railroad...those jobs are hard to come by because they are such good jobs. I would oppose it being in Knox or Hamblen Co. either.
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Bailey3017 wrote:
Honestly IMO if this is near your home and you don't like it then moving would be the best option for everyone. I know some people have been on their land for years but at the same time you have to consider that this will be a great economic boom for that area, it is needed badly as well. thousands of jobs would be wonderful, especially with the railroad...those jobs are hard to come by because they are such good jobs. I would oppose it being in Knox or Hamblen Co. either.
What if someone can't afford to move?

What if they can't afford a similar size home and/or lot somewhere else?

What if someone is elderly and the moving would be too much of a strain on their emotional and physical health?

What is wrong with people uniting to speak out and fight to protect their homes, property, and communtity?

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May 28, 2009
 
I said nothing of it being wrong for a community to come together to fight against something.

This is an issue of the greater good. Are we going to not build this in fear of displacing say 5-10 residents or are we going to go ahead and build this and provide an economic boom for an area that sorely needs it. Think of it THOUSANDS of jobs!

Trust that the residents would be offered a fair price for their land as well...they would possibly be forced out after several attemps of offers.
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Bailey3017 wrote:
I said nothing of it being wrong for a community to come together to fight against something.
This is an issue of the greater good. Are we going to not build this in fear of displacing say 5-10 residents or are we going to go ahead and build this and provide an economic boom for an area that sorely needs it. Think of it THOUSANDS of jobs!
Trust that the residents would be offered a fair price for their land as well...they would possibly be forced out after several attemps of offers.
How do you know they would be offered a fair price?

History proves otherwise. There are similar situations all over the country where big business has come in and forced people out of their homes to develop an area. Big businees makes millions, and the homeowners get screwed.

A former co-worker of my late father-n-law in MA had to deal with this kind of thing TWICE. They even filed a lawsuit the second time, but couldn't afford to keep it going. They "fair market value" they were paid for their home..... they couldn't afford to buy another home in the same area.

Yes we need the jobs, however, there is no guarantee these people will be treated fairly or compensated as such.

How would you feel if it was going to be built in YOUR backyard?

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May 28, 2009
 
Yes, Thousands of JOBS! In Memphis, the Airport got so big because of Fed-Ex, they had to move entire neighborhoods. My grandparents were retired and moved. Here's the facts:

The Memphis-Shelby County Airport Authority's efforts to reduce noise exposure resulted in the 1987 Noise Compatibility Property Acquisition Program commonly called the Part150 Program. This FAA approved program provided for the acquisition of approximately 1400 single-family residents located within the 75 Dnl noise contours. Spanning over a decade, this program is now complete.

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There are similar situations all over the country where big business has come in and forced people out of their homes to develop an area. Big businees makes millions, and the homeowners get screwed.
But that is the Republican way. The GOP supports big business. And since this is a 'Red' state, this will easily get government approval to proceed. But at least you don't have to worry about gay marriage.

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How do you know they would be offered a fair price?
History proves otherwise. There are similar situations all over the country where big business has come in and forced people out of their homes to develop an area. Big businees makes millions, and the homeowners get screwed.
A former co-worker of my late father-n-law in MA had to deal with this kind of thing TWICE. They even filed a lawsuit the second time, but couldn't afford to keep it going. They "fair market value" they were paid for their home..... they couldn't afford to buy another home in the same area.
Yes we need the jobs, however, there is no guarantee these people will be treated fairly or compensated as such.
How would you feel if it was going to be built in YOUR backyard?
How do you know they wouldn't be offered a fair price?

Nobody knows anything until an offer is on the table, simple as that.

I would be okay with it since #1 I live in the city and am used to the noise anyhow,#2 I understand that cities and areas need to grow and I will relocate to provide the job stimulus that is needed.

Why would I hold out because something inconviences me and keep THOUSANDS from jobs they so desprately need? A little selfish.

Look at the bigger picture!
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But that is the Republican way. The GOP supports big business. And since this is a 'Red' state, this will easily get government approval to proceed. But at least you don't have to worry about gay marriage.
Idiot. Does a republican own the business and sign your paycheck? If it weren't for the republican's all you damn democrats would be on welfare. STFU.
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Ok, 1000's of jobs eventually. This is already a busy railroad area, so it will now be filled with semi-trucks. Only a ignorant country bumpkin would oppose this.

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Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>Idiot. Does a republican own the business and sign your paycheck? If it weren't for the republican's all you damn democrats would be on welfare. STFU.
Idiot? I don't consider myself an idiot, I may be ignorant on certain things, and you are graciously invited to show me the errors in my comments, but why attack my personally.

BTW, I am not a democrat, I am a Libertarian. I don't understand people supporting big business and then getting upset when a business takes over their property or infringes on their rights with government support.

And I am not going to shut-up. If you don't like my opinion, then tough.
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Jun 3, 2009
 
I sent this e-mail to Governor

Governor Bredesen, Lt. Governor Ramsey,



Gentlemen,



I am requesting an official investigation of the elected officials of Jefferson County into violations of the Sunshine and Open Meetings Act. There are many secrets floating around Dandridge as to the proposed Norfolk Southern intermodal site in New Market.



When the mayor has been asked, he would just state that the people don’t know the full details. How can the citizens know the “full details” when our elected officials have signed a statement of confidentiality?



I personally would like to know the full details. Nothing about Norfolk Southern building an intermodal site in Jefferson County and /or a county new industrial park taking 1,000 acres of prime farm land has ever been recorded in the county commission meeting notes. This sounds like a cover-up.



As stated earlier, I am requesting a complete and full investigation.
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to Chief Wampum:

There is a site in Jeffeson City that is large enough to handle it. Problem #1 is the railroad does not want to pay Jefferson City taxes.

Problem #2 is that most of the land is owned by one of the richest men and largest land owner in Jefferson County. HENCE, THE LITTLE PEOPLE ARE THE ONES THAT WILL HAVE THEIR LAND STOLEN.

Problem #3 Jefferson County does not even have enough money to pay for new schools. The cost to Jefferson County would be $23,038,000.00. Since this does not fall under the requirements of the stimulus package, Jefferson County has to pay ALL of the 23 million.

Problem #4 is that there are endangered species living in the Holston River less than 1 mile from the proposed site.

If you look at the John Sevier Rail yard on Old Rutledge Pike, it only stays 20-30% full. The East Bridge Industrial Park in Mascot is only 30% full. The industrial parks in Hamblem County are only 50% full. Why on earth build something new when there are already locations that can be used? As for jobs, NOTHING IS GUARANTEED.
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Absolutely absurd. If this was being built anywhere close to your home you would be the first person in line at the county commission meetings to scream bloody murder.
One of the main selling points of this “joint public and private venture” is the creation of much needed jobs. It will create very few jobs if any. It takes very few workers to run one of these automated switch yards. Most of the jobs will be people who transfer from other locations. Old inefficient locations will downsize or close. Hundreds of jobs will not be created at all. Jobs will just be moved. The number of new jobs may be 20 or 30 at best. The “create jobs” lines are a sales scam and, in reality an outright lie.
The phrase “joint public and private project” is somewhat sickening. It smacks of improper first insider advantages taken by those in business and government. It has already come to light of certain county officers who knew about the proposed plan for the yard and were indiscreetly trying to purchase properties around the proposed site.
The proposed site along 11E highway is a horrible location for this facility. Before interstate forty was completed the traffic on this highway was horrible. Nothing has changed along this route for thirty years and the highway will not carry this additional traffic very well. The route was relieved of truck congestion when interstate 40 was completed in the late seventies. The estimate for truck traffic is around 300 thousand trucks per year. The highway to the proposed location will not carry the additional truck traffic and the highway condition will revert to the same crowded pre interstate 40 traffic conditions. Sounds like a backward step to me.
The next “venture” of the county and state will be to build new roads to the site to accommodate the truck traffic. This will mean increased property taxes and gas taxes to everyone in the state and especially Jefferson County. Of course the railroad and trucking industry will say they pay taxes and will demand a road system to handle the additional traffic. Taxes are a cost of doing business and this cost is paid by YOU the consumer. Companies pay their taxes that are collected from the consumer and most the time are not fully accounted for.
In the meantime, my bet would be to purchase property along Mascot Road, highway 92 north, Piedmont road and a few other locations. I wonder if these routes will be kept “secret “ or are there any plans identifying new routes for the public to review.
Hopefully these plans will be released several years before these so called “joint venture” projects begin?

More than any rail switchyard we need business leaders and politicians are honest and ethical.

Charles Wright
New Market, TN
Bailey3017 wrote:
Honestly IMO if this is near your home and you don't like it then moving would be the best option for everyone. I know some people have been on their land for years but at the same time you have to consider that this will be a great economic boom for that area, it is needed badly as well. thousands of jobs would be wonderful, especially with the railroad...those jobs are hard to come by because they are such good jobs. I would oppose it being in Knox or Hamblen Co. either.
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Do I like the idea of anyone taking anyone else's land? No. But I'm far more concerned about MANY other things currently being done in this Country which facilitate these kinds of actions- the erosion of personal freedoms in the guise of "diversity" or any other tag line is an abomination. This rail thing is merely a symptom of the real problem.... and I doubt it's going to ever get any better.

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Charles Wright wrote:
Absolutely absurd. If this was being built anywhere close to your home you would be the first person in line at the county commission meetings to scream bloody murder.
One of the main selling points of this “joint public and private venture” is the creation of much needed jobs. It will create very few jobs if any. It takes very few workers to run one of these automated switch yards. Most of the jobs will be people who transfer from other locations. Old inefficient locations will downsize or close. Hundreds of jobs will not be created at all. Jobs will just be moved. The number of new jobs may be 20 or 30 at best. The “create jobs” lines are a sales scam and, in reality an outright lie.
The phrase “joint public and private project” is somewhat sickening. It smacks of improper first insider advantages taken by those in business and government. It has already come to light of certain county officers who knew about the proposed plan for the yard and were indiscreetly trying to purchase properties around the proposed site.
The proposed site along 11E highway is a horrible location for this facility. Before interstate forty was completed the traffic on this highway was horrible. Nothing has changed along this route for thirty years and the highway will not carry this additional traffic very well. The route was relieved of truck congestion when interstate 40 was completed in the late seventies. The estimate for truck traffic is around 300 thousand trucks per year. The highway to the proposed location will not carry the additional truck traffic and the highway condition will revert to the same crowded pre interstate 40 traffic conditions. Sounds like a backward step to me.
The next “venture” of the county and state will be to build new roads to the site to accommodate the truck traffic. This will mean increased property taxes and gas taxes to everyone in the state and especially Jefferson County. Of course the railroad and trucking industry will say they pay taxes and will demand a road system to handle the additional traffic. Taxes are a cost of doing business and this cost is paid by YOU the consumer. Companies pay their taxes that are collected from the consumer and most the time are not fully accounted for.
In the meantime, my bet would be to purchase property along Mascot Road, highway 92 north, Piedmont road and a few other locations. I wonder if these routes will be kept “secret “ or are there any plans identifying new routes for the public to review.
Hopefully these plans will be released several years before these so called “joint venture” projects begin?
More than any rail switchyard we need business leaders and politicians are honest and ethical.
Charles Wright
New Market, TN
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Although I appreciate your response (it's refreshing for someone to diagree without calling names and so on around here) I still have to hold my stance until proof is provided otherwise. I grew up in Strawberry Plains not too far out of Jeff. Co. and as I would hate to see farmland go I would love even more to see the economic stimulus that this railyard would give to the area with the new jobs.

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Jun 9, 2009
 
bailey:
i was up in the area where the depot was originally slated for planning.

not much in the way of homes are in the area close by.
most homes in that area are far off the main hwy and back of on side roads and over ridges.

both landowners i was dealing with, had no objections to it.
and one store owner was fired up at the idea of increased business other than just the same ol' locals who barely keep his doors open.

most of these people whining here have no clue about the area.
they're just talking to hear their head spin.

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Earl Keese wrote:
bailey:
i was up in the area where the depot was originally slated for planning.
not much in the way of homes are in the area close by.
most homes in that area are far off the main hwy and back of on side roads and over ridges.
both landowners i was dealing with, had no objections to it.
and one store owner was fired up at the idea of increased business other than just the same ol' locals who barely keep his doors open.
most of these people whining here have no clue about the area.
they're just talking to hear their head spin.
Sounds about right...like I said a well needed economic boom this area needs badly! I grew up right next door, visited often...I know it's needed.
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Jun 16, 2009
 
Really sounds like a sunshine law violation unless the didn't talk to each other about this,why no press release from the railroad.
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Jun 17, 2009
 
Can't they just refurbish the old one which is huge and down I-75 just before the 640 junction?
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Jun 23, 2009
 
this isnt even in knoxville you idiots!! duh! its in Jefferson County in the town of New Market.

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