San Francisco may vote on banning mal...

San Francisco may vote on banning male circumcision

There are 310 comments on the WTVR Richmond story from Apr 27, 2011, titled San Francisco may vote on banning male circumcision. In it, WTVR Richmond reports that:

A group opposed to male circumcision said on Tuesday they have collected more than enough signatures to qualify a proposal to ban the practice in San Francisco as a ballot measure for November elections.

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abc123

Wilson, NC

#334 May 15, 2011
Purple Gurl wrote:
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Some do choose. But that doesn't mean anything is wrong with it.
The original Bible said to stone to death anyone practicing sodomy. Sodomy is sucking on a penis and/or taking a penis up the anus. The aggressive homosexual lobby has done their best to hire "scholars" to reframe Sciptures. See, they know what they do is perverted and wrong, and they know it is a choice. Otherwise, they would not invest any emotional energy to prove otherwise. Their defensiveness and need to shove their lifestyle down everyone's throats proves it is a choice. If I was born a certain way, I wouldn't feel any need to prove anything no matter how others treat me, since I would have peace and know deep inside I was born that way.
God doesn't make mistakes, and God has never made any person gay.
So again, I believe in multiple causes. Nobody was born completely that way, but some have biological help. Others straight out choose it, though very few. And others were abused into becoming gay. Once you were forcibly sodomized enough times, it starts to feel good and familiar, and you learn to seek it voluntarily. Emotions and feelings are chosen, but the brain wiring to those is indirect. Depressed people can, for instance, "snap out of it" in many cases when they act as though they are not depressed. What do non-depressed people do? Go on walks, spend time with themselves, eat well, sleep well, have fun, party, do things they enjoy. So if you change your thoughts and behavior, you can choose your emotions.
Please do not play the victim role. Many gay people admit they chose that life and that behavior. I could tell you to go to QueerByChoice.com where some gay folks come out about choosing gayness. Remember that choice is not necessarily a complete choice or a one-off choice. Each time you have certain types of sex or entertain certain thoughts is a choice, and you don't have to yield nor let that run your life. So don't play the born that way card or the victim card. And the born that way card can't help you. Dr. Laura called gays biological errors who should have never been born, since she bought into the same inborn lie. At least she later recanted and apologized, and it seems sincere or confused. Likewise, Fred Phelps believes the born gay argument too, and that is why he bashes them.
... Just to let you know, I have never been abused or depressed to that point ever in my life. Remember, I'm just stating what I believe in, and that I know for as long as I've lived and ever since I've developed a sexual preference I've ALWAYS had feelings for males, as well as females, for as long as I know, even when I was at the begining stages of puberty when I first developed sexual feelings.
abc123

Wilson, NC

#335 May 15, 2011
But you know what I dont like... I don't like people who think there gay because they have issues with depression or have been raped when they were younger... Those types of people really ARE confused, and give true homosexuals bad names.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#336 May 15, 2011
abc123 wrote:
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Not true, i know this because you couldn't choose to sincerely love a female from deep down inside your heart now can you? Ofcourse you can expirement, but you can't change the way the heart feels about someone. You have your oppinions though and I can't change them. But you will never have me believe that lie that sexuality is a choice. As long as I have been alive, I have always had feelings for guys and it has never changed to this very day and I know it never will. I am not playing a victims role, I am telling you the truth. Like I said, if you believe that you can have feelings from deep down inside your heart for a woman then until that happens, do not say that people can simply choose to be gay or not. If it wasn't true then there would be no body arguing about being gay even after going to those stupid correctional facilities where they think they can really turn people heterosexual. I've been there and still to this very day I know that homosexuality is not a choice. After I got out of the facility, I still had homosexual feelings and surely did not become an Ex Gay or Ex Bisexual, whatever you want to call it, nor do I know of anyone who has that went there. So to the people that think that being gay is a choice, I disagree 100% and will not believe in that hogwash. If I had a relationship with a guy, I would still love him even without having to have sex with him. The problem with everyone today is that they associate homosexuality with sex ALL THE TIME.... THIS IS NOT TRUE. Even people that support gays know themselves that homosexuality is the way a person is born, that's why the numbers keep growing everyday.
Yes, some people can choose who they love. Lesbians are more likely to admit to choosing this. And I know an intersexed female who said she chooses to love women because men are too dangerous to be with. Yet the attractions for men are there.

http://queerbychoice.com

Everything you do with your heart and emotions is a choice. Only the emotionally damaged, those with head trauma, and those who choose to be victims says otherwise.

Gays are afraid of the concept of becoming gay or straight. In fact, gays want transsexuals to be abused while children by being deprived of the correct hormones during puberty. They want them to be damaged goods persons who have to spend up to a quarter of a million to repair the damage of the wrong puberty. Guess why? They are afraid treating transsexual girls with female hormones will cause them to identify as heterosexual women rather than gay men. Some gay men are willing to abuse/neglect children if it puts more phalluses to "service" in the world. In addition, they are afraid transsexuals (whose who get surgery and have mainstream values) will take over the transgender community (men who defy their inborn sense of gender to live as women, all while keeping and using their male appendages). As bad as mainstream harassment and abuse of transsexuals are, it is nothing compared to what LGBTs give them.

So you being a man, you do not have a right to speak for lesbians nor transsexuals. If you like other men, it is because you choose to "love" them that way. For so many gay men, "love" is a poor substitute for friendship and companionship. They never matured enough to truly appreciate same-sex friends and must sexualize those encounters.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#337 May 15, 2011
I can give countless reports of change. Like one presumed gay man was heavily into BDSM of the sort that drew blood. So very high risk behaviors. He felt suicidal, which is no wonder if you do stuff like that. I'd feel like scum too. But he went and started Prozac and started to feel better. In fact, so good he didn't need others to abuse him to distract him from whatever pain or to get past any callousness. The BDSM behaviors stopped. People who can't feel do all sorts of heinous acts just to get to feel real. But there was a twist. Antidepressants weren't the only intervention. After stabilizing the depression, it seemed gender dysphoria was at the root of a lot of it. So guess what the next step was? Female hormones and eventually surgery. Then changing birth records and settling down as a housewife.

Or, there was the guy who feared he was gay. So he sought a therapist. However, the therapist refused to support his goal to change. Instead, the therapist decided to deal with religious shame, assertiveness, and self-esteem. For a whole year, he went out and tried the gay life and he felt much better. Then it got to where he became bored with it. So not knowing what else to try, he went out on a date with a woman. They dated for a while. They broke up, but during that time, he felt happier than he ever felt with a man. Then he married his next girlfriend, and they were still married for at least 5 years past therapy, with no reports of gay desires or fantasies. Of course, I know of 2 ways to explain this. He might not have ever been gay, just afraid that he was, and peer pressure and the therapist might have made him believe he was. But his true nature finally emerged. Or, he might have been bisexual. He may have been lacking in emotional maturity, and the therapy sessions and gay experiences helped him to mature and figure out who he was and what he wanted.

There are also documented cases in medical journals of people who changed sexual orientation after head trauma or amnesia. Changes in sexual frequency (ie., frigitidy and nymphomania) have also been reported after head trauma.

In a few rare cases, there have been changes in orientation and/or gender identity after organ transplants. One out and proud lesbian discarded her gay pride magazines and music after a transplant, became a vegan, and become very boy-crazy, eventually marrying. A masculine man started cross-dressing and living as transgendered after receiving a woman's heart. His wife said he became a better lover. A similar example, though not about sex was a racist who ceased being a racist after a heart transplant. He didn't know at the time his behavior started to change that the heart belonged to an African-American classical music student in college. At any rate, he started inviting more people over to his home, and most of them were Black.

So gayness is not necessarily a trait you have forever. And like I said, I believe in multiple causes, with different causes per specific person. Don't tell someone who admittedly chose it that they were born that way or that their choice is not genuine. Even if it is a choice, it is arguably a noble one.
Dick Frenulum

Lynbrook, NY

#338 May 15, 2011
An interesting possible addition to the San Fransisco penal code.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#339 May 15, 2011
abc123 wrote:
But you know what I dont like... I don't like people who think there gay because they have issues with depression or have been raped when they were younger... Those types of people really ARE confused, and give true homosexuals bad names.
That is often the case with lesbian women who became that way and seriously believed they were after having an incestuous father, assaults by classmates, and a few bad relationships in their adult years. They conclude that men are bad, that sex with men is not safe or always a form of rape, and that women are therefore their only option. Often that works, and a lot of other times it can be turbulent.

I know of a professing lesbian who lived with her partner for a number of years and took in her partner's child. She could be vile and nasty at times, had to win arguments at any cost, used drugs in front of the child, had no sense of boundaries (like allowing the kid to stay up to 3 AM on a school night), etc.

The lesbian above even outed a transsexual. The TS only told her she was just because she thought she could trust her. The TS (not TG) strategy for rights and the gay strategy for rights are pretty opposite. TSs want to fix their bodies and expect to be treated as if that was always the case. If they tell anyone, they permanently lose the mainstream life as a heterosexual female. TS is not an identity or something to become, but something to get rid of. That is why there are hormones, genital surgery, and cosmetic surgery, to destroy any difference and fit into the standard cis-gendered (ie., 2-genders) system. It isn't the same where you want everyone to treat you as different and accept you as some other group. So it is a grave error to lump TSs in with TGs and TGs in with gays, when G&L people accept TSs the least and have different concerns.

Back to the story, there were reasons she was so messed up and inconsiderate of others. I didn't know about any of that until after she passed and her mother told me. Her step father molested her for many years. In addition, there is no telling when she started getting brain cancer. So with a complex PTSD case and brain cancer, it was no wonder she acted as she did. Sad too. I didn't get along with her, but hearing of her passing and her rough life saddened me.

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#340 May 15, 2011
Dick Frenulum wrote:
An interesting possible addition to the San Fransisco penal code.
But what about the anal code?
A Wiper

Lynbrook, NY

#341 May 15, 2011
Purple Gurl wrote:
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But what about the anal code?
It's always in effect in San Francisco. http://mytidytush.com/

“Purple girl in a purple world”

Since: Apr 08

Plum, Purplonia

#342 May 15, 2011
I also believe that it is more possible for there to be biological causes for transsexualism and asexuality than for gayness and transgenderism. I believe gender identity and even self-concept are wired much deeper than gender identity, and I disagree with Freud that everything is about sex. I would say power or ego instead.

A lot of things were misunderstood in the day, and there are still modern day consequences. John Money seemed to believe Freud's beliefs on sex, and it led him to recommend that a boy with a botched circumcision be raised as a girl. Apparently, he agreed with Freud and the feminists of his day, and concluded gender was merely a social construct, and that it was impossible to grow up into a man with a solid male identity if he was missing a penis. Excuse me, but what you have down there has nothing to do with who you are. So believing that crap, no wonder he had a boy mutilated further and raised as a girl. Even worse was that he lied about the success of that, and led feminists to believe they were right on that one point. But it was a disaster even on day one. When David was made to wear a dress, he ripped it off. And he used to get beatings for standing to urinate. At school, he was beaten up if he went to either restroom, so he went outside. When he was a teen, he threw in the ultimatum and said he was going to live as a boy or commit suicide. He lived as a boy after that.

However, all was not well with David. The years of being raised as a girl were traumatic to him and left deep emotional scars. He eventually married a divorced woman with kids (he obviously couldn't have any) and went and got all sorts of reconstructive surgery. For all intents and purposes, he was pretty much an FtM transsexual and had to have 2 of the 3 procedures that they get. Around 2000 or so some time after an appearance on Oprah, his life began to fall apart. His brother's schizophrenia got really bad, and his brother took his own life. Then David invested in an unwise investment and lost his savings. Then with the childhood trauma, the money worries, and his brother's death, his wife left him. That was all too much for him and like his brother, he ended his life too.

This reminds me. As far as I am concerned, a handful of prominent therapists, professors, and researchers truly caused more damage than good to the fields of sex therapy and gender identity.

Kinsey was proven to be a fraud. His 10% number was way too high, and it came from prison. People more likely to break man's laws are probably more likely to violate society's expectations in other ways. Plus with more exposure to people of the same sex, and for life for some, they learn to make do with what is available to them, and even shape their natures around those. Experiences in prison can cause lasting problems in the real world.

I would also give John Money, J. Michael Bailey, Ray Blanchard, Zucker, and a few others low marks in this department. They all caused severe harm to true-transsexuals, and their philosophies allowed transgenders (men who act like gay men, dress in drag, keep their parts, and use them as men would) to hijack the transsexual community. Ironically, transgender was first coined by a man who thought he was better than cross-dressers and not a "self-mutilating freak like them transsexuals." So TG was coined in hate, feelings of superiority, and as a distancing tactic. TSs were his enemies, and today, his term is forced onto actual transsexuals by self-hating gay men who dress as women to pretend to be "straight" at some level.

yernogoood-

“Everyone knows that!!!”

Since: Jul 10

Tell me...Does it hurt much?

#343 May 16, 2011
abc123 wrote:
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Thats what you think. I know the truth. You haven't walked in a gay persons shoes so you wouldn't know. I know one thing, you can't push your feeling to love other men now can you... same with me just vice vera. You can't choose to be gay just like I can't choose to be straight and that's the fact.
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