Report: Mexico More Dangerous Than Iraq

Report: Mexico More Dangerous Than Iraq

There are 58 comments on the www.newsmax.com story from Dec 15, 2008, titled Report: Mexico More Dangerous Than Iraq. In it, www.newsmax.com reports that:

The escalating drug war in Mexico has now made America's southern neighbor a more dangerous place than Iraq, according to Strategy Page, a military affairs Web site.

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Uruapan, Mexico

#41 Feb 21, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
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Yes, you can go to school at 3 in the US. It is called Head Start. I know my youngest son started at 3 in the US. Oh and yes most of the time in the US they start at 7 in the morning and are there until 12 pm. The older children starting in first grade go from the time they get there at 7 am until 3:30 in the afternoon. So that is 8.5 hours.
Oh and for a small town 12 is a high rate of murder. That is about the same for the per capita average for the entire US. Your town has 300,000 That is 4 murders for every 100,000 in population.
Exactly the amount of per capita murders in the US...and that is in your better areas.
You did seem to say that it was better and safer in Mexico than in the US. There are areas in the US that had zero murders for the entire year.
Yes, Detroit is an area with a high crime rate, but it certainly is not like Reynosa. Detroit is the city with the highest crime rate in the US...but they don´t have gangs of narcotraffickers gunning people down in the street in masse.
Oh and yes, there are people in Mexico who own guns that are normal citizens. Yes, gun ownership to a certain degree is prohibited in Mexico and long ago I said that it was a problem. Especially in a population where the police are nothing but corrupt goons that work for cartels.
The town you said had 5,000 and had 9 murders is outrageous.
I certainly will not daisy paint Honduras either. This is a beautiful country with a beautiful culture, but the crime is out of hand.
In today´s paper it spoke of just that and there is not any gun control here. We own weapons and I am not afraid to use them in my defense.
Last year there were over 6,000 murders and the population here is 7 million. That is a lot of murders of those 36% were assasinations.
Legalizing drugs is the key to helping the crime rates in both Mexico and in Honduras and the key to dealing with the cartels that have a complete stranglehold on the government and police.
Head start is not school, it is a baby sitter.
They do not have school books and are not required to learn.
Here you do not advance until you have mastered that level…period
A good friend of mine is the director for head start and early head start for Mendocino County.
When she tried to implement a learning schedule it was shot down.
The poor little kids are just kids. You can’t hold them accountable for anything at that age.
Including behavior.
I would not let my kids be a part of that mess just as they don’t watch cartoons or eat donuts.
Willits has a sex education class that is mandatory except for religious reasons for six graders.
In that class they learn it is ok to be gay and how to put a condom on a cucumber.
Sorry……not my kids.
Show me any school in the US were 98% go straight to Universities after grade 12.
No J.C needed.
They learned in high school.
So my point is we moved from a town of 5,000 that had 9 murders.
To a area that has 500,000 (not 300,000) that had 12 murders and you don’t think that is better?
And just a few years ago Willits was on the top 100 list as the best small towns in the USA.
My kids hate it when we have to go back to the states, and my two year old summed it up perfectly when asked why.
Daddy…….The people there are not happy………They don’t smile…………And they tell their kids to not talk to me and we can’t go for walks at night.
Six Flagg’s in Vallejo, Ca is a disappointment for them.
Kids pushing and shoving yelling at their parents that they want cotton candy now.
They are used to the water park here were the big kids help the little kids, mine yours or anyone else’s.
Kids respect their parents and the parents put their kids first.
It use to be that way in the USA…………..But it seems like so long ago

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#42 Feb 21, 2009
Um excuse me but my son learned in head start. He learned how to say the alphabet, his numbers, how to recognize shapes and how to trace letters and recognize them. I didn´t pay for head start it was in public school. So yes it is public school and no it is not a babysitter. Children that are three are capable of learning what I listed they aren´t going to do calculus.
Also, some of the private schools in Latin America are a joke. The public schools are better except for the strikes that occur.
The private schools are so afraid of losing one students income that they give them a passing grade whether they earn it or not. I know I have taught in the private schools here. You are talking to a teacher.
Yes, I agree that respect for parents in the US is a thing of yesterday, but sex education is not the reason for this. In fact, sex education probably would go a long way in preventing the high teen pregnancy rate in Mexico and in Honduras. It is crazy to not talk about sex with your kids as if it did not exist. Oh and in my son´s public school they didn´t teach him that it was ok to be gay nor how to put a condom on a cucumber. I also took sex ed in public school when I was in high school. They taught me how to avoid getting an STD and how to not get pregnant if I was to choose not to be abstinent. They taught us about HIV, which was a new disease 20 years ago when I was in high school.
My kids grew up in the public schools in the US and none of them are disrespectful to me. The way your children respect or disrespect you is taught at home, not at school.
There are children in these countries that judge you by the amount of money you have. They treat you according to your status. If you are poor they don´t give you the time of the day. If you have money or a professional status you are respected and even get preference in the legal system.
There are gang troubles with Salvatrucha, Mexican gangs infiltrating here trying to bring drugs through Honduras to Mexico and hiding from Mexican police and the DEA, there is MS 18 and yes Zetas, just like in Mexico. You can pretend that the problems in the US are worse, but they aren´t they are unique to those in Mexico. Mexico has a unique ability to send their problem to the US via drugs. They seem to have no problem trafficking drugs into little children´s hands all in the name of a dollar. After all they are just Americans right?
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Uruapan, Mexico

#43 Feb 22, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
Um excuse me but my son learned in head start. He learned how to say the alphabet, his numbers, how to recognize shapes and how to trace letters and recognize them. I didn´t pay for head start it was in public school. So yes it is public school and no it is not a babysitter. Children that are three are capable of learning what I listed they aren´t going to do calculus.
Also, some of the private schools in Latin America are a joke. The public schools are better except for the strikes that occur.
The private schools are so afraid of losing one students income that they give them a passing grade whether they earn it or not. I know I have taught in the private schools here. You are talking to a teacher.
Yes, I agree that respect for parents in the US is a thing of yesterday, but sex education is not the reason for this. In fact, sex education probably would go a long way in preventing the high teen pregnancy rate in Mexico and in Honduras. It is crazy to not talk about sex with your kids as if it did not exist. Oh and in my son´s public school they didn´t teach him that it was ok to be gay nor how to put a condom on a cucumber. I also took sex ed in public school when I was in high school. They taught me how to avoid getting an STD and how to not get pregnant if I was to choose not to be abstinent. They taught us about HIV, which was a new disease 20 years ago when I was in high school.
My kids grew up in the public schools in the US and none of them are disrespectful to me. The way your children respect or disrespect you is taught at home, not at school.
There are children in these countries that judge you by the amount of money you have. They treat you according to your status. If you are poor they don´t give you the time of the day. If you have money or a professional status you are respected and even get preference in the legal system.
There are gang troubles with Salvatrucha, Mexican gangs infiltrating here trying to bring drugs through Honduras to Mexico and hiding from Mexican police and the DEA, there is MS 18 and yes Zetas, just like in Mexico. You can pretend that the problems in the US are worse, but they aren´t they are unique to those in Mexico. Mexico has a unique ability to send their problem to the US via drugs. They seem to have no problem trafficking drugs into little children´s hands all in the name of a dollar. After all they are just Americans right?
How long ago was your child in head start?
Now at age three it is early head start.
And I beg to differ it is babysitting.
Yes maybe they learned to sing the ABC.
But did they have school books?
Age three requires 8 books
4 in English and 4 in Spanish.
No they were not reading them the first day.
But to go to the next class they had to be able to READ some words.
Cat hat bat mat rat sat and so on.
They have to learn mammals, reptiles difference.
They have to know how to count to 100.
And most important they have to learn how to be social.
She is now 5 years old and in the middle of her class just average.
She can read ANY book.
Yes adult books has words she does not understand but she can read them
She does addition and subtraction and simple multiplication and division.
She is learning long division now.
They do basic chemistry test.
She can tell you why baking soda and vinegar release carbon dioxide.
She can recognize all of the internal organs in her book.
She is starting to play the piano.
She CAN play the bongos.
In Willits they would put her in fourth or fith grade.
Here she is just average………….
Nothing wrong with sex education
But 8 and 9 years old is a little young to learn how to use a condom
As for the crime you keep going on about.
IT IS NOT HERE…………………………
YES THERE ARE DANGEROUS PLACES.
NOT IN PUERTO VALLARTA
Waugie01

Ft Mitchell, KY

#44 Feb 22, 2009
Summer, you asked me a question back on Dec. 16, 2008. Just saw it. lol. Sorry didnt see it when you asked. I am not sure what the answer is on the border. I know that America and Mexico has to work together with an urgency amd have to get all of central America involved. Legalizing pot yes, other drugs no. Did you ever read the two articles?
Border Report at http://www.terroristplanet.com/mexicoreport.h...

and
Tunneling into America at
http://www.terroristplanet.com/tunnel.htm
It seems like the situation is spreading and the cartels are getting stronger.

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#45 Feb 24, 2009
Here is one wrote:
<quoted text>
How long ago was your child in head start?
Now at age three it is early head start.
And I beg to differ it is babysitting.
Yes maybe they learned to sing the ABC.
But did they have school books?
Age three requires 8 books
4 in English and 4 in Spanish.
No they were not reading them the first day.
But to go to the next class they had to be able to READ some words.
Cat hat bat mat rat sat and so on.
They have to learn mammals, reptiles difference.
They have to know how to count to 100.
And most important they have to learn how to be social.
She is now 5 years old and in the middle of her class just average.
She can read ANY book.
Yes adult books has words she does not understand but she can read them
She does addition and subtraction and simple multiplication and division.
She is learning long division now.
They do basic chemistry test.
She can tell you why baking soda and vinegar release carbon dioxide.
She can recognize all of the internal organs in her book.
She is starting to play the piano.
She CAN play the bongos.
In Willits they would put her in fourth or fith grade.
Here she is just average………….
Nothing wrong with sex education
But 8 and 9 years old is a little young to learn how to use a condom
As for the crime you keep going on about.
IT IS NOT HERE…………………………
YES THERE ARE DANGEROUS PLACES.
NOT IN PUERTO VALLARTA
Your child is not learning chemistry at five years old. My son is 12. Believe me I know better. At five they are not ready for chemistry.

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#46 Feb 24, 2009
Waugie01 wrote:
Summer, you asked me a question back on Dec. 16, 2008. Just saw it. lol. Sorry didnt see it when you asked. I am not sure what the answer is on the border. I know that America and Mexico has to work together with an urgency amd have to get all of central America involved. Legalizing pot yes, other drugs no. Did you ever read the two articles?
Border Report at http://www.terroristplanet.com/mexicoreport.h...
and
Tunneling into America at
http://www.terroristplanet.com/tunnel.htm
It seems like the situation is spreading and the cartels are getting stronger.
legalizing pot will do not a thing to stop the drug flow. The drugs being imported are not pot. They are things like cocaine. We already give children starting at age five doses of methamphetamine legally. I think the key is not illegalization, but education when it comes to drugs.
These drugs can be dealt with in a lab to render them less addictive if we study them enough. What makes most of them as dangerous as they are is the chemicals they are mixed with on the street and misdosing. In a lab this will not happen.
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Uruapan, Mexico

#47 Feb 24, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
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Your child is not learning chemistry at five years old. My son is 12. Believe me I know better. At five they are not ready for chemistry.
I beg to differ
She is learning BASIC chemistry.
They made rockets out of soda bottles powered by Baking soda and vinegar.
They saw a close up video of how water skippers can walk on the surface tension of the water.
They learn how soap breaks the surface tension of water.
They fill a glass full of water then with a dropper add more water until the water rise slightly above the class top.
Then they take a different class and add some dish soap to it and fill it up.
Then when they try to get the water to bubble up over the top it will not because the soap breaks the surface tension of the water.
The teacher explains how the soap by breaking the surface tension of water will clean clothes.
Sorry she turned five in November.
Is she being pushed too hard?
She wants more

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#48 Feb 24, 2009
I suppose next you are going to try to convince the rest of us that she is being taught calculus as well? yes you can push a young child too hard. If you push them now, later they will rebel and refuse to continue a higher education. That is a proven fact.

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#49 Feb 24, 2009
after all what is wrong with letting a kid play and just be a kid?
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Uruapan, Mexico

#50 Feb 25, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
I suppose next you are going to try to convince the rest of us that she is being taught calculus as well? yes you can push a young child too hard. If you push them now, later they will rebel and refuse to continue a higher education. That is a proven fact.
I agree 100%
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Uruapan, Mexico

#51 Feb 25, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
after all what is wrong with letting a kid play and just be a kid?
Nothing at all.
This is a optional classes that she would not miss for even the beach.
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Uruapan, Mexico

#52 Feb 25, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
I suppose next you are going to try to convince the rest of us that she is being taught calculus as well? yes you can push a young child too hard. If you push them now, later they will rebel and refuse to continue a higher education. That is a proven fact.
No I am not.
And please don’t take offense
But they are starting a program that makes it fun and interesting to learn BASIC geometry.
I have sat in on the class and she will join as soon as the science one is over.
The math class is done the same way as science class.
Lots of fun and put in a way they can understand at 5 & 6 years old.
First they teach them the tape measure by measuring them self and anything else they want.
Then they show them angles with a protractor.
After the grasp the angles they use the protractor taped to a ruler with a plastic arm that hinges at the center.
The measure a distance from a pole to marked spot on the ground, it is set at 10 meters.
They take the protractor assembly and can sight at the top of the pole and get an angle of degree.
With a simple chart using the 10 meters as a base and different degrees they can calculate the height of the pole.
There are many different poles and building were the 10 meter is marked off.
So they can measure the height of lots of things.
Not Calculus but basic Geometry.
My point once more is nowhere in Northern Ca can I find programs such as these taught in school.
The schools in the USA are dumbed down to make it easy for everyone to pass so the school gets paid.
Public or private they are garbage compared to what is available here.
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Laytonville, CA

#53 Feb 28, 2009
Moon dancer.
I am back in Willits, Ca
I Just came back from am friend that teaches at the Willits Charter school.
I showed my five year olds school books to her.
She stated that 3rd to 5th grade is the levels of the books.
I showed the science project to her on water tension and she said 8th grade.
Monday she is going to call the publisher to see if they can be bought here.
I emailed this thread to her and ask her to post her thought this afternoon
The sad part is,……. that is the best school in Mendocino County???

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#54 Feb 28, 2009
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Moon dancer.
I am back in Willits, Ca
I Just came back from am friend that teaches at the Willits Charter school.
I showed my five year olds school books to her.
She stated that 3rd to 5th grade is the levels of the books.
I showed the science project to her on water tension and she said 8th grade.
Monday she is going to call the publisher to see if they can be bought here.
I emailed this thread to her and ask her to post her thought this afternoon
The sad part is,……. that is the best school in Mendocino County???
I have to ask..is your kid in a private school? I emailed a public school there and they said that they do not teach anything other than basic writing skills, alphabet, ect at that age.

My son is in one of the best public schools available here, because I refuse to put him in the private school system here. The reason? They do not offer any better quality than the public system. My son is in 7th grade and he didn´t do chemistry...but making baking soda/vineager volcanos is not chemistry it is Earth Science and anyone can do it.
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Laytonville, CA

#55 Feb 28, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
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I have to ask..is your kid in a private school? I emailed a public school there and they said that they do not teach anything other than basic writing skills, alphabet, ect at that age.
My son is in one of the best public schools available here, because I refuse to put him in the private school system here. The reason? They do not offer any better quality than the public system. My son is in 7th grade and he didn´t do chemistry...but making baking soda/vineager volcanos is not chemistry it is Earth Science and anyone can do it.
Hy
Yes private school just like the charter school in Willits.
But it cost a lot less.
Did you email people in Ca or Mexico?
Yes here in Ca. they don’t do anything like what we have in Mexico.
Public schools in Mexico are different.
Some they don’t speak English or Spanish it is Indigenous.
My kid’s school, it cost 2,400 pesos per month. Divide by 15 for dollars.
Less than half for garbage here in the US.
As far as public compared to private my kids go to private.
Nothing more than sending a kid to Harvard compared to a JC.
My choice and yours.
Yes my kids are privileged………
Sorry, I don’t see a problem with that.
No more than me working eighty hours per week compared to someone working forty hours per week.
Effort equals results…………..

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#56 Mar 1, 2009
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Hy
Yes private school just like the charter school in Willits.
But it cost a lot less.
Did you email people in Ca or Mexico?
Yes here in Ca. they don’t do anything like what we have in Mexico.
Public schools in Mexico are different.
Some they don’t speak English or Spanish it is Indigenous.
My kid’s school, it cost 2,400 pesos per month. Divide by 15 for dollars.
Less than half for garbage here in the US.
As far as public compared to private my kids go to private.
Nothing more than sending a kid to Harvard compared to a JC.
My choice and yours.
Yes my kids are privileged………
Sorry, I don’t see a problem with that.
No more than me working eighty hours per week compared to someone working forty hours per week.
Effort equals results…………..
Oh my son is priviledged..but I decided to put him in public school after a year in the private schools here. He went to Liceo de Norte which is an exclusive school for the children of retired military with an official status.
However, I do not like my son being coddled or grades being given that he did not earn. They tend to do that in the private school especially if they are worried you will remove your child because of their grades.
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Laytonville, CA

#57 Mar 1, 2009
Summermoondancer wrote:
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Oh my son is priviledged..but I decided to put him in public school after a year in the private schools here. He went to Liceo de Norte which is an exclusive school for the children of retired military with an official status.
However, I do not like my son being coddled or grades being given that he did not earn. They tend to do that in the private school especially if they are worried you will remove your child because of their grades.
Wow
Excellent point.
I am going to watch those grades like a hawk.

Since: Apr 08

Dallas, Texas

#58 Mar 1, 2009
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Wow
Excellent point.
I am going to watch those grades like a hawk.
No problem...do so it is in thier best interest. I caught them because I tested my son on information that he had supposedly gotten a 95% on and he did not know the information from the test when I tested him orally. I finally got a confession from him that they had given him the answers on a re test because he had gotten a 45% and they were afraid of losing my money. They lost it anyway, because I believe in earning your way not playing your way through...or getting your way because of who your parents are.
That is a serious problem in Mexico or in Central America...people tend to treat you according to your social status. You know what I am talking about since you live in Mexico. I hate to have someone treat me with glove hands because they are afraid they will offend me. It happens to a lesser degree in the US, but it is less distinguishable according to status..however, it exists in racism in the US.

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