Ten Commandments in schools fight is in court

May 7, 2012 Full story: The Washington Post 40

She covers Fairfax County schools. Follow her on Twitter at @emmersbrown A long-running and bitter fight over whether the Ten Commandments may be posted in schools continues Monday in a federal courtroom in Roanoke.

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haha

Oak Hill, WV

#1 May 9, 2012
The 10 commanments have been on the wall for years if you dont like it turn your head or pick a different school this is our county if dont like it get out....
Ethan

United States

#2 May 9, 2012
As an open Atheist I have expressed my annoyance many times with this whole fight. I think it is stupid for this "atheist teen" and his family to whine so much over nothing. If the students want the commandments in their school then I say let them have them in their school. They aren't hurting anyone by being up and if you don't want to see them then don't look. I dislike these kinds of Atheists because they give the rest of us a bad name. I am an open Atheist and I also openly support the commandments being in the schools if that is what the students really want.
Meatball

Princeton, WV

#3 May 10, 2012
haha wrote:
The 10 commanments have been on the wall for years if you dont like it turn your head or pick a different school this is our county if dont like it get out....
Sounds pretty Christian to me (sarcasm). Isn't mutual respect and love one of the key ideologies of your religion? Telling people whom don't agree with you to get out makes you a hypocrite of your own cherished system of beliefs.
GHS graduate

Princeton, WV

#5 May 23, 2012
I actually agree with ethan. This is a decision that should be based on Democracy. They want it they should get it as long as it's a majority vote. I know several other atheists that believe the same. It's not about religion it's about our constitutional right of expression and a tribute to human history. They were up when I was there and I believe I turned out just fine and dandy. The 10 Commandments didn't ruin my life.
gene hale

Princeton, WV

#6 May 25, 2012
Well if you dont believe, then it shouldnt bother you. Satan dont mind you going to church, As long as you dont start changing things in your life and steering away from evil, thats when he has a problem with it!! Then he starts attacking.
Majority of the people want them up, so if there is still "Democracy" left in our government, then they shouldve been up a long time ago instead of wasting our money on this. Majority rules religion or not. Another example of how our rights get slowly ripped from us day to day.
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Rich Creek, VA

#7 May 25, 2012
Even if you don't believe in god these rules are a good morality check.....and isn't this action like ramming your atheism down 90% of the populations throat.
Ethan

Tannersville, VA

#8 May 25, 2012
I wouldn't say it's like ramming atheism down someones throat because you can still go home and practice your faith. They're not suggesting that it be replaced with an atheist guide line sign. That being said I still stick by what I said before that if the students want it then let them have it. It's their choice and their freedom.
Ethan

Tannersville, VA

#9 May 25, 2012
I will say that the giant trailer "One nation under GOD" thing needs to go. Because just FYI that wasn't added to the pledge until 1954. So it isn't a good argument to use.
Ethan

Tannersville, VA

#11 May 25, 2012
^^^^ lmao

Obvious troll is obvious xD
Willem

New York, NY

#12 May 25, 2012
Meatball wrote:
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Sounds pretty Christian to me (sarcasm). Isn't mutual respect and love one of the key ideologies of your religion? Telling people whom don't agree with you to get out makes you a hypocrite of your own cherished system of beliefs.
Meatball wrote:
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Sounds pretty Christian to me (sarcasm). Isn't mutual respect and love one of the key ideologies of your religion? Telling people whom don't agree with you to get out makes you a hypocrite of your own cherished system of beliefs.
Mutual respect and love is not and has never been part of christianity.Trying to convert people and opposing anything non-christian is one of the key ideologies of christianity.

To gene hale and GHS graduate who are talking about democracy and how majority rules, you're both wrong.The U.S is not a democracy and was never meant to be.What the majority wants doesn't matter,only what is constitutional matters.The ten commandments come from christian texts,so having them in a school is showing favor to christianity.Why not have texts from other religions? Other religious groups aren't so arrogant as to demand parts of their religious texts be put up in public spaces.Religion is a personal thing,and should be kept that way.

[QUOTE who="?????"]Even if you don't believe in god these rules are a good morality check.....and isn't this action like ramming your atheism down 90% of the populations throat.[/QUOTE]

Commandments 5- 10 are decent and state things that are universal.They are not unique to Judeo-christianity.The other commandments are garbage.Com mandments 1-4 are insulting to polytheists,idol worshipers,and non-judeo-christians in general.They presuppose that judeo-christianity is right and all others are wrong,which i'm sure you believe.The irony is that christians would be furious if there were texts from other religions up in the same way,or if each school day were led with a Hindu prayer,or if teachers decided to teach the Shinto creation story.Christians are hypocrites.
gene hale

Princeton, WV

#13 May 27, 2012
Willem wrote:
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Mutual respect and love is not and has never been part of christianity.Trying to convert people and opposing anything non-christian is one of the key ideologies of christianity.
To gene hale and GHS graduate who are talking about democracy and how majority rules, you're both wrong.The U.S is not a democracy and was never meant to be.What the majority wants doesn't matter,only what is constitutional matters.The ten commandments come from christian texts,so having them in a school is showing favor to christianity.Why not have texts from other religions? Other religious groups aren't so arrogant as to demand parts of their religious texts be put up in public spaces.Religion is a personal thing,and should be kept that way.
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Commandments 5- 10 are decent and state things that are universal.They are not unique to Judeo-christianity.The other commandments are garbage.Com mandments 1-4 are insulting to polytheists,idol worshipers,and non-judeo-christians in general.They presuppose that judeo-christianity is right and all others are wrong,which i'm sure you believe.The irony is that christians would be furious if there were texts from other religions up in the same way,or if each school day were led with a Hindu prayer,or if teachers decided to teach the Shinto creation story.Christians are hypocrites.
As long as this works for you, to help you rest your weary head at night. but remember EVERY knee will bow and EVERY toungue will confess... No Democracy?? REALLY???
Hypocrites?? LOL!!! I hope you wake up soon "Alice".
GHS graduate

Princeton, WV

#14 May 27, 2012
Granted. that we have a false sense of Democracy. We elect the president, but the president tells us all what to do ? SO why is it unconstitutional for a group of students to elect to have the Ten Commandments in a small school in Giles County. We want it on the walls of our school. That doesn't mean we want it on EVERY SCHOOL in EVERY CITY. Granted that would be a nice thing if everyone believed the same way simply to put this fighting to an end. However, this is the real world and everyone has their own opinions about what they believe.So there will always be conflict.
Willem

New York, NY

#15 May 28, 2012
gene hale wrote:
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As long as this works for you, to help you rest your weary head at night. but remember EVERY knee will bow and EVERY toungue will confess... No Democracy?? REALLY???
Hypocrites?? LOL!!! I hope you wake up soon "Alice".
That's right, no democracy.The U.S wasn't founded as a democracy.And no, it's not a representative democracy either.What the majority wants doesn't matter.If the U.S was based on majority rules,smaller groups would never have gotten civil liberties.Slavery would still be around.Women would have no rights.Etc.. The U.S was founded as a Constitutional Republic,although it has strayed from being that.

Hypocrites are exactly what Christians are.You want to teach creationism,unless the creation story taught is from a religion other than christianty.You support prayers in schools, but not if the prayers are from a religion other than christianity.The list goes on.If you want to believe in fairy tales, go ahead.But you try to force it on others, and that's where the problem is.The 10 commandments are religious text,and so don't belong in schools.If private christian schools want to put it up,and they do,then that's fine.But in public schools, funded by tax payers, it does not belong.
Willem

New York, NY

#16 May 28, 2012
GHS graduate wrote:
Granted. that we have a false sense of Democracy. We elect the president, but the president tells us all what to do ? SO why is it unconstitutional for a group of students to elect to have the Ten Commandments in a small school in Giles County. We want it on the walls of our school. That doesn't mean we want it on EVERY SCHOOL in EVERY CITY. Granted that would be a nice thing if everyone believed the same way simply to put this fighting to an end. However, this is the real world and everyone has their own opinions about what they believe.So there will always be conflict.
We don't have a democracy at all.The U.S was never meant to be a democracy.The president doesn't tell us what to do.The president signs into law or vetoes bills that come from the legislature.Although the way things are going,I wouldn't be surprised if the president gains dictatorial power and can just declare laws.

To get back to the subject,what the student want doesn't matter.In a private school,the school can do whatever it wants.Imagine if a school where the majority of students were muslims wanted to put some text from the quran on display.Do you really think it would be accepted by a small group of christians in the same school? Those small group of christians would call foul.This is why I call christians hypocrites.Christians are incapable of seeing things objectively.

Your saying that it would be nice if everyone believed the same way is a horrible thing to say.The only reason to feel that is because you hate that others believe differently than you do,and want everyone to believe as you do. The excuse that it would stop people fighting so much is false.The reason people fight is not due to differing beliefs, but because they can't tolerate others believing differently.There wouldn't be so much conflict if people respected that everyone doesn't share beliefs,and not try to force their own beliefs on everyone.
GHS graduate

Princeton, WV

#17 May 29, 2012
I didn't say I hated them for that and I didn't necessarily mean that I wish we all believed the same thing I did . I just wish we all had some sort of common ground to where all this bickering and fighting would cease to exist. Didn't say any of that. I think you took what I said wrong. It's not just beliefs that people fight over. As long as people are different they will fight. So stop putting words into my mouth.
uhz

Charleston, WV

#18 May 29, 2012
Truly people these words have been up forever, and you just now wanna bitch about them?? Go home, spend time with your loved ones they wont be here forever, do something constructive-learn a new hobby or something. This is nonsense that you wanna fight something that says dont lie, dont kill, dont have sex before marriage, dont want what everyone else has...for real, even non-believers should live by this just to be a normal healthy human being that contributes to society!
Willem

New York, NY

#19 May 29, 2012
uhz wrote:
Truly people these words have been up forever, and you just now wanna bitch about them?? Go home, spend time with your loved ones they wont be here forever, do something constructive-learn a new hobby or something. This is nonsense that you wanna fight something that says dont lie, dont kill, dont have sex before marriage, dont want what everyone else has...for real, even non-believers should live by this just to be a normal healthy human being that contributes to society!
You cherry pick commandments and say everyone should live by them.First off, i don't agree with no sex before marriage.It's no ones business when someone chooses to have sex.

you chose not to mention the other commandments.
1.You shall have no other gods (except the judeo-christian god)
2.You shall not make for yourself a carved image
3.You shall not take the name of god in vain
4.Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy

Saying that non-believers should live by them just shows you want to force your religion on everyone.
uhz

Charleston, WV

#20 May 30, 2012
I just think sex before marriage leads to daddyless babies and kids raised by gma. I chose not to mention those cause I couldnt remember them...so no I'm not someone to force religion down someones throat---rest on the sabbath day would be saturday right? so dont say god damn is cramming religion down someones throat? dont have no other gods before me whose me? ummm if its just a paper up saying that then whose god is it what god is it???cramming religion down someones throat would be also setting the bible beside the commandments and have someone stand there and shove your nose in it and preach to you their comprehension of the meaning of each commandments--Im pretty sure just by glancing at them as you walk by is not shoving anyones face into a religious belief. They are words take them as you wish, everyone takes things their own way.
Willem

New York, NY

#21 May 30, 2012
uhz wrote:
I just think sex before marriage leads to daddyless babies and kids raised by gma. I chose not to mention those cause I couldnt remember them...so no I'm not someone to force religion down someones throat---rest on the sabbath day would be saturday right? so dont say god damn is cramming religion down someones throat? dont have no other gods before me whose me? ummm if its just a paper up saying that then whose god is it what god is it???cramming religion down someones throat would be also setting the bible beside the commandments and have someone stand there and shove your nose in it and preach to you their comprehension of the meaning of each commandments--Im pretty sure just by glancing at them as you walk by is not shoving anyones face into a religious belief. They are words take them as you wish, everyone takes things their own way.
You're seriously asking which god the bible is referring to? Which god do YOU think the ten commandments is referring to? Odin? Ra? Come on, you can't be this stupid.You already know what god the bible refers to when saying "have no other gods before me". Hint: It's not referring to Quetzalcoatl.

having the 10 commandments up is, in fact, shoving it down peoples throat.Putting up religious texts is a promotion of that religion.
uhz

Charleston, WV

#22 May 31, 2012
Willem wrote:
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You're seriously asking which god the bible is referring to? Which god do YOU think the ten commandments is referring to? Odin? Ra? Come on, you can't be this stupid.You already know what god the bible refers to when saying "have no other gods before me". Hint: It's not referring to Quetzalcoatl.
having the 10 commandments up is, in fact, shoving it down peoples throat.Putting up religious texts is a promotion of that religion.
but if your non-religious or atheists you wouldnt know about which god anyone referred to right? I dont care one way or another about whether it stays or not.. I think its a silly fight that a lot of ppl are wasting time and money on, over something so silly as words. I think there are way more important things to do and take care of that should trump this fight.

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