Lawsuit claims Giles Co. school's Ten...

Lawsuit claims Giles Co. school's Ten Commandments display violates...

There are 15 comments on the New River Valley Current story from Sep 13, 2011, titled Lawsuit claims Giles Co. school's Ten Commandments display violates.... In it, New River Valley Current reports that:

Three months after voting to display the Ten Commandments in public schools, the Giles County School Board finds itself in federal court.

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eugene

Princeton, WV

#1 Sep 15, 2011
well you have no problem taking the almighty money that has IN GOD WE TRUST on it, but you have a problem with a document on a wall.... man, the irony!

We have just as much right as you do.Maybe you should talk to your satanic god and ask him to make up some commandments and put them up on your wall if it makes you feel better...

"Its time to turn before you burn.."

This is not hate but just a dad that is getting really sick of hearing how just one person has a problem with this.

Take a vote in the elections this november and ask giles county what they want. Its funny they target a small county like ours and lots of other schools larger than ours has had them up for years..
watching you

Rich Creek, VA

#2 Sep 15, 2011
does these people not have anything else to do?? the world has enough problems and surely doesn t need this. if people would use their engery trying to help and draw people together boy what a much happier world it would be!!!
Just saying

Princeton, WV

#4 Sep 15, 2011
If they care that much why do they not stand up and say who they are! Hiding behind the curtain makes me think there is money in it for them. They should be ashamed and it makes all the people in this town look bad! Just like that stuff on Main St. it makes me sick!
All everyone is thinking about is football! which lets our kid not being watch by 5 so called coachs and damaged another teams locker room, then they let another teenager kick a little play when he was on the ground.
This stuff makesme ashamed to say I am from Narrows! Come on People stand up for what is right!
eugene wrote:
well you have no problem taking the almighty money that has IN GOD WE TRUST on it, but you have a problem with a document on a wall.... man, the irony!
We have just as much right as you do.Maybe you should talk to your satanic god and ask him to make up some commandments and put them up on your wall if it makes you feel better...
"Its time to turn before you burn.."
This is not hate but just a dad that is getting really sick of hearing how just one person has a problem with this.
Take a vote in the elections this november and ask giles county what they want. Its funny they target a small county like ours and lots of other schools larger than ours has had them up for years..
blindside86

San Angelo, TX

#5 Sep 27, 2011
Well fact of the matter is the school system was warned, to take it down, if thay would have dont the proper research on the issue thay would have found that there was no way thay could win in court, which in return is going to cost thousands of dollars in legal fees, thous costing jobs within the school system. Now common sence tells me if i cant win i dont attempt and take on something like this knowing what the outcome will be, wouldnt you think that they should be teaching our childern how the process works in goverment, i.e. laws and such? i have no pitty for the school system thay should know better as should the people of giles county times have changed if you want to follow religon go to the proper place!!!
sunshine

Roanoke, VA

#6 Sep 27, 2011
JUST WANT TO SAY RELIGION AND BEING A CHRISTIAN ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS...IF BLINDSIDE 86 IS SPEAKING OF TAKING IT TO CHURCH, THEN I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF YOU BELIEVE IN SOMEONE BE IT HOWEVER YOU BELIEVE THEN YOU ARE FREE TO TAKE IT ANYWHERE YOU WANT...AS FOR ME I AM A CHRISTIAN BUT NOT RELIGIOUS..THE CHURCH IS FULL OF RELIGIOUS FOLK THAT AREN'T A CHRISTIAN..TIMES MAY HAVE CHANGED BUT GOD IS STILL THE SAME TODAY AND FOREVER..AND YOU ARE WARNED, SO THAT SOMEDAY YOU CAN'T SAY I WAS NEVER TOLD THERE IS NO GOD THE FATHER OF JESUS...WHO WROTE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS...EVERYONE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO HEAR THE TRUTH SO HERE IS YOUR CHANCE...SO TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, THE CHOICE IS YOUR'S...I HOPE YOU CHOOSE ETERNAL LIFE, AND YES I AM A FANATIC FOR JESUS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO POST IT THAT I AM BUT IF YOU SO DESIRE I AM HONORED TO SAY YOU ARE RIGHT..
GET A MAP

Roanoke, VA

#7 Sep 28, 2011
eugene wrote:
well you have no problem taking the almighty money that has IN GOD WE TRUST on it, but you have a problem with a document on a wall.... man, the irony!
We have just as much right as you do.Maybe you should talk to your satanic god and ask him to make up some commandments and put them up on your wall if it makes you feel better...
"Its time to turn before you burn.."
This is not hate but just a dad that is getting really sick of hearing how just one person has a problem with this.
Take a vote in the elections this November and ask Giles county what they want. Its funny they target a small county like ours and lots of other schools larger than ours has had them up for years..
This is where I am confused. I thought most people don't want the government in their lives, telling them what to do. Am I right? This is a government building being payed for by tax payers. What, if in time, most of the American population does turn into "satanic god" worshipers... or, pick any other number of popular religions? What now? Do you want the government in your way saying you have to hang 5 pillars of Islam in your child's school? Keeping religion out of government protects US ALL. Religion is a beautiful thing. In order to keep it that way, KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT.

As far as the money goes, people have tried to get it taken off of the money in the past, so there are people with a problem with it. They just have no choice. The money does not say in Jesus we trust. It says God. Could be any number of Gods. Covers most of the population. That argument gets you nowhere. There is no why to live without money. It's like saying, "If you don't believe in MY God, DIE!" I don't think Jesus would be proud of anyone who believed that.

Before you try and throw out the "founded as a Christian Nation" nonsense. Our founding fathers wrote "All men are created equal" while holding slaves and oppressing their wives and daughters. Anyone here want to go back to that? They understood that the world changes. That's why they wrote the constitution, and why it is known as a living document. We have the ability to change it as the world changes.
H Gribble

Hyattsville, MD

#8 Sep 28, 2011
This is crap! First of all the good church people should be more concerned about the hungry and neglected children in the county. The School Board needs to get out of the religion business and back to educating the young people. And the parents who have a problem with the Ten Commandments need to home-school their children. The separation of Church and State has been in practice as long as this country has been in existence. The only thing that will be accomplished is some lawyers will get their pockets lined while the Giles educational system suffers.
eugene

Princeton, WV

#9 Sep 28, 2011
GET A MAP wrote:
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This is where I am confused. I thought most people don't want the government in their lives, telling them what to do. Am I right? This is a government building being payed for by tax payers. What, if in time, most of the American population does turn into "satanic god" worshipers... or, pick any other number of popular religions? What now? Do you want the government in your way saying you have to hang 5 pillars of Islam in your child's school? Keeping religion out of government protects US ALL. Religion is a beautiful thing. In order to keep it that way, KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT.
As far as the money goes, people have tried to get it taken off of the money in the past, so there are people with a problem with it. They just have no choice. The money does not say in Jesus we trust. It says God. Could be any number of Gods. Covers most of the population. That argument gets you nowhere. There is no why to live without money. It's like saying, "If you don't believe in MY God, DIE!" I don't think Jesus would be proud of anyone who believed that.
Before you try and throw out the "founded as a Christian Nation" nonsense. Our founding fathers wrote "All men are created equal" while holding slaves and oppressing their wives and daughters. Anyone here want to go back to that? They understood that the world changes. That's why they wrote the constitution, and why it is known as a living document. We have the ability to change it as the world changes.
you are right and I am very sorry for those comments. That was not agood example of being a christian. I stand humbly corrected
Texas

Fremont, CA

#10 Oct 29, 2011
When I started school in Giles county in the 1960's I loved saying the Pledge of Allegiance and going to Bible class and saying a prayer at a football game. people had respect for their neighbors and watched out for the neighborhood kids. You believed in God, Now...kids are killing their parents, drugs are everywhere, kids have no respect for their parents, they have their cell phones instead of chores and they try to take god out of schools....When you take God out of your life...He can take your life. If these people don't want to look at the ten commandments, turn your head. Have the balls to identify yourself...but better yet GOD knows who you are, so where do you think you will be in your after life....It want be with God
new kid

Chester, VA

#11 Nov 11, 2011
Hey Gribble why don't you do some research and find out what the original intent of the "separation clause" meant and why it was put in the Constitution!!!!!
really

United States

#12 Nov 11, 2011
Not only are the Ten Commandments a religious text but they r also a part of history. Besides that which of the ten commandments is really that bad that it shouldn't be posted? I mean think about what they are for a minute
1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy Father and thy Mother that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife,....

Which of these is it that you would like ur children to do? Lie? Cheat? Kill? Steal? Be jealous and envious? To be a cheater when they get married? All parents complain their children don't respect them, well huh, maybe they should have taught them the commandments! The ten commandments are nothing more than a text showing how decent human beings should live in the first place. The world however, has VERY few 'decent' people left and thanks to people who want to control everything its only gonna get worse and worse.

And btw some states still have the blue law in effect where no business is to be done on Sundays... If its all about the green backs and the taxes then maybe they should make it mandatory for them to be open.

Another point, if noone believes in God or Jesus then maybe we should revoke CHRISTmas break and let it just be a normal day, no day off, no holiday pay for STATE employees... How can they celebrate that but not recognize the origin.
H Gribble

Hyattsville, MD

#13 Nov 12, 2011
new kid wrote:
Hey Gribble why don't you do some research and find out what the original intent of the "separation clause" meant and why it was put in the Constitution!!!!!
Hey new which law school did you graduate from?
Anonymous

Roanoke, VA

#14 Nov 14, 2011
Ok, lets go over the 10 commandments then, shall we?
1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me
(Ok, that's just pure religion, no "basic moral codes" there)
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(Again, just pure religion.)
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
(Once again...religion)
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(Wow big surprise, religion)
So now we are down to 6 moral codes that are great to follow to make us all wonderful. These rules show us how "decent human beings should live in the first place." But how do you honestly lump all people into this? How about asking some questions to go along with the rules.
5. Honor thy Father and thy Mother that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
(What do you tell the kid who's parents physically/sexually/mentally abuse them? Is God ordering a child to stand there and let it happen? I don't think so. Think before you say..Well if their parents had followed the commandment...bla bla bla. ALL the abusers I have ever known claimed to be Christian. By the way, all parents don't complain that their children don't respect them. I have no problem with my children respecting me. They might be a bit contrary at times, but they love and respect me. All kids are going to act like kids... they are kids!)
6. Thou shalt not kill.
(Unless... you are fighting for my country? We all support our troops right? What does God say about that?)
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(I'm not into it, but there are a bunch of couples that are into swinging. If the couple consent is it still adultery? Didn't the blokes in the bible get away with that by marrying 100's of women?)
8. Thou shalt not steal
(And if your hungry? Anyone walk away from the bank still holding the pen? Will we all go to hell?)
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
(Does this dress make me look fat?)
10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife,....
(Guess I pretty much agree, no need to feel jealous. But we all have done it at some time. Again will we all go to hell?)
There are very few "blue laws" that you speak of left and most of them deal with when you can buy alcohol, when you can hunt, and when car dealerships can do sales. They are not about "doing business" in general like you put it. Most blue laws have been repealed, have been declared unconstitutional, or are simply unenforced.
Anonymous

Roanoke, VA

#15 Nov 14, 2011
"Another point, if noone believes in God or Jesus then maybe we should revoke CHRISTmas break and let it just be a normal day, no day off, no holiday pay for STATE employees... How can they celebrate that but not recognize the origin."
My personal favorite question to answer!!! As it turns out Jesus was not born on December 25th but most likely sometime in the late summer early fall months. However, a whole bunch of pagan gods were born on that day. In fact, pagans celebrated a festival involving a heroic supernatural figure (Nimrod) that visits an evergreen tree and leaves gifts on December 25th long before Jesus was ever born.( Long before santa too)
From its early Babylonian roots, the celebration of the birth or "rebirth" of the sun god on December 25th came to be celebrated under various names all over the ancient world. You see, the winter solstice occurs a few days before December 25th each year. The winter solstice is the day of the year when daylight is the shortest. In ancient times, December 25th was the day each year when the day started to become noticeably longer.
Thus it was fitting for the early pagans to designate December 25th as the date of the birth or the "rebirth" of the sun. The name "Yule" is the Babylonian word for "infant" or "little child". So when you offer "yuletide" greetings, you are actually acknowledging Nimrod's birthday. Hmmm.
The truth is that the pagan holiday of "Yule" has been celebrated by the pagans of northern Europe from late December through early January for centuries and centuries. Yule logs were traditionally lit throughout northern Europe to honor the pagan god. The festival would continue until the Yule log burned out - which could take up to twelve days. This is where we get the so-called "12 days of Christmas".
So how did December 25th come to be celebrated by Christians?
Well, by the time the Roman Empire legalized Christianity in the 4th century, most of the other religions in the empire were celebrating the birth of their gods on December 25th. Leading up to December 25th in ancient Rome, a festival known as Saturnalia was one of the biggest celebrations of the year. Saturnalia was a festival during which the Romans commemorated the dedication of the temple of their god Saturn. This holiday began on the 17th of December and it would last for an entire week until the 23rd of December. Saturnalia was typically characterized by gift-giving, feasting, singing and lots and lots of debauchery. The priests of Saturn would carry wreaths of evergreen boughs in procession throughout the pagan Roman temples.
Later on, the Romans also started holding a festival on December 25th called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, which means "the birthday of the unconquered sun." Basically it was a way for the empire to consolidate all of the December 25th "sun god" birthdays throughout the empire into one holiday.
In the year 350 A.D., Pope Julius I declared that the birth of Jesus would be celebrated on December 25th from then on. There appears to be little doubt that Pope Julius was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans to convert to Catholicism.
And BTW The following are just some of the pagan gods that had "birthdays" on December 25th....
Mithras, Horus, Attis, Dionysus the son of Zeus, Tammuz, Hercules, Perseus, Helios,
Bacchus, Apollo, Jupiter, Sol Invictus.
"How can they celebrate that but not recognize the origin?" That is the exact question that I'm asking you. How can you celebrate the holiday but not understand it's origin? Maybe we all do a little bit of this here in the United States of America. After all, we are a pretty young county when we compare ourselves to others. Were not to old to stop and listen and understand the people around us. Understand how we are alike and different.
Anonymous

Roanoke, VA

#16 Nov 14, 2011
really wrote:
Not only are the Ten Commandments a religious text but they r also a part of history. Besides that which of the ten commandments is really that bad that it shouldn't be posted? I mean think about what they are for a minute
1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honor thy Father and thy Mother that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife,....
Which of these is it that you would like ur children to do? Lie? Cheat? Kill? Steal? Be jealous and envious? To be a cheater when they get married? All parents complain their children don't respect them, well huh, maybe they should have taught them the commandments! The ten commandments are nothing more than a text showing how decent human beings should live in the first place. The world however, has VERY few 'decent' people left and thanks to people who want to control everything its only gonna get worse and worse.
And btw some states still have the blue law in effect where no business is to be done on Sundays... If its all about the green backs and the taxes then maybe they should make it mandatory for them to be open.
Another point, if noone believes in God or Jesus then maybe we should revoke CHRISTmas break and let it just be a normal day, no day off, no holiday pay for STATE employees... How can they celebrate that but not recognize the origin.
Why be so angry when no one is trying to take your religion away from you? No one is saying you can't/shouldn't believe. Just please keep your religious sacred and away from government control. You don't want any other religions hung on your school walls... it's against the first commandment! Christianity is not the only religion practiced in this nation, remember that. If you allow one you allow them all. By the way, I'm all for that. Hang up the golden rule for all religions, and teach the children them all! I think it would be wonderful to have a religion class where the students could learn about all peoples from all over the world. But, that would require people to change their world view, and that won't happen in this region for a long, long time I'm afraid. It all comes down to that. The Golden Rule.. In everything you do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets (Matthew I believe, isn't it?)~ Christianity * Treat not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful ~Buddhism * Not one of you truly believes until you wish for others what you wish for yourself ~ Islam * Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss ~ Taoism

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