Dream Act: Education equality -- or de facto amnesty?

Mar 9, 2010 Full story: KVAL-TV Eugene 46

Eugene City Councilors are set to vote Monday night on a controversial subject: Should undocumented immigrant students be allowed to pay in-state tuition at public universities? Diego Hernandez, a University of Oregon senior with a double-major in ethnic studies and political science, thinks so.

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barry

Rainsville, AL

#41 Mar 12, 2010
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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It would require that they return to their home country and apply like honest people do. They can they just don't want to.
Strike 3. Your out. LOL
nope, wouldn't be able to produce the transcripts that they would need from their own country. you can't use American education to apply as a foreign student. you're in the wrong game.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#42 Mar 12, 2010
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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I can make up numbers too but I prefer to use FACTS. 600,000+ student visas are issued every year, I have given you proof of that number, and you say that only 600,000 visas of all types are issed. In other words according to you ONLY student visas are issued.
What about the 65,000 H1B visas issued?
By the way there is no limit on the number of visas issued to immediate family members of U.S. citizens.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Abraham Lincoln
love your passion but you are being silly. of your three points you are desperately trying to hold onto this one.
i said that;
#1 unlike other visas student visas must be re-issued {renewed} each year therefore your # of 600,000 represents all types of student visas from elementry school to doctorate studies. it includes every student who was here last year and has been renewed for this year. it is by no means a # that represents highschool graduates who are applying to enter college in the U.S. that # is somewhere around 20% probably less of your #
#2 by coincedence your number is close to the number of immigration visas issued each year [agerages a little more than 600,000]
now as to your question about h1b visas they are nonimmigration visas for the purpose of working for a sponsoring employer. they do not have to be renenwed each year as they are good for three years. student visas [f] are also non inmigration visas and are directly tied to enrollment in school therefore they must be re-issued each year.
you can find those facts on travel.state.gov which by the way has a much lower # for student visas than your America.gov
Concerned for the future

Scottsdale, AZ

#43 Mar 12, 2010
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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The question is, since it is illegal to aid and abed illegal aliens why are the people behind the scholarships for illegals not arrested?
Yes, that is a very good question.
The Arizona voters passed a law that all illegal students have to pay out-of state tuition. You should have heard the sob stories.
So, some very rich people got together to provide private scholarships for undocumented students.

I read that in some states, colleges don't check citizenship status in order to get around the Federal law so that the undocumented students don't have to pay out-of state tuition.
Dee Dee Dee

Bethlehem, PA

#44 Mar 12, 2010
Biker Mom wrote:
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I have never had to prove citizenship to apply for a scholarship. I applied just a couple months ago for one and there was no citizenship section at all. I am applying for more and I will bet none of those, or very few, have a citizenship section. Now on the other hand, are those giving out scholarships required to check status? With all the info I had to fill out, there was certainly enough data to check status. And if there are those intentionally giving out scholarships only to illegals then they must lose any nonprofit status and face fines and penalties for helping someone breaking the law.
I must say that if I were an American of Hispanic decent I would be mad as hell about Hispanic organizations giving scholarships to illegal aliens when there are millions of deserving citizen of Hispanic decent that could use help with college. Then again I would be mad that they are supporting illegal aliens who are taking jobs away from Americans of Hispanic decent also. Just as Cesar Chavez was.

“Press 2 for Deportation.”

Since: Apr 09

Boise, ID

#45 Mar 12, 2010
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i'm not being dramatic. i'm trying to present the facts for what they are. these kids are the best. they are achievers. they want to become productive tax payers in our great country.
i agree blame the parents, but many did not gamble with their child's future. these kids were not raped and claimed when they were 14. they were not forced to work for drug lords. they got an education and don't have to be what mom and dad were. i know you don't understand. i doubt that you lived in a country were heads are left on door steps to make a point. where 100s o girls just diappear and are seldom found in one piece. ther is no way a parent who loved their child would leave them to that future.
as for going back home to their countries and having full rights and opportunities there "without fear", you are the dreamer.
And you think I'm NOT TRYING TO PRESENT THE FACTS AS THEY ARE??? Are you smokin' something illegal? I have given you nothing BUT facts. All you have given us is, as Concerned For The Future said, "melodramatics" -- feelings, emotions, touchy-feely stuff that is subjective. FACTS ARE OBJECTIVE.

For instance, this is NOT a matter of whether these children are "the best" or not. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. Even Einstein had to apply for legal residency here. The point is the law, a.k.a. they are not legally here, smart or not. We US citizens have an obligation to take care of our own FIRST, regardless of IQ. So do NOT even attempt to play the SOB STORY about who is better or not. It has not, and has never been, a matter of subjectivity; it has always been a matter of who is a citizen or not, a.k.a objectivity and the law.

Yes, I'm NOT a Dreamer in your sense of the word. I am a Realist with realistic dreams. You should try to touch base with Reality, if I were you.

“Press 2 for Deportation.”

Since: Apr 09

Boise, ID

#46 Mar 12, 2010
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i'm not being dramatic. i'm trying to present the facts for what they are. these kids are the best. they are achievers. they want to become productive tax payers in our great country.
i agree blame the parents, but many did not gamble with their child's future. these kids were not raped and claimed when they were 14. they were not forced to work for drug lords. they got an education and don't have to be what mom and dad were. i know you don't understand. i doubt that you lived in a country were heads are left on door steps to make a point. where 100s o girls just diappear and are seldom found in one piece. ther is no way a parent who loved their child would leave them to that future.
as for going back home to their countries and having full rights and opportunities there "without fear", you are the dreamer.
And you think I'm NOT TRYING TO PRESENT THE FACTS AS THEY ARE??? Are you smokin' something illegal? I have given you nothing BUT facts. All you have given us is, as Concerned For The Future said, "melodramatics" -- feelings, emotions, touchy-feely stuff that is subjective. FACTS ARE OBJECTIVE.

For instance, this is NOT a matter of whether these children are "the best" or not. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. Even Einstein had to apply for legal residency here. The point is the law, a.k.a. they are not legally here, smart or not. We US citizens have an obligation to take care of our own FIRST, regardless of IQ. So do NOT even attempt to play the SOB STORY about who is better or not. It has not, and has never been, a matter of subjectivity; it has always been a matter of who is a citizen or not, a.k.a objectivity and the law.

Yes, I'm NOT a Dreamer in your sense of the word. I am a Realist with realistic dreams. You should try to touch base with Reality, if I were you, coz your explanations are not winning any votes FROM US AMERICANS WHO CAN VOTE.

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