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There are 49 comments on the Cortez Journal News story from Jan 1, 2011, titled education. In it, Cortez Journal News reports that:

Senate Republicans on Saturday doomed an effort that would have given hundreds of thousands of young illegal immigrants a path to legal status if they enrolled in college or joined the military.

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Rico from East LA

“But it's so Racist”

Since: Mar 10

United States

#22 Jan 1, 2011
Independent patriot wrote:
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Pound sand, schizo. Read the links I posted, if you can manage the big words. Duh.
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Rico from East LA

“But it's so Racist”

Since: Mar 10

United States

#23 Jan 1, 2011
OvrAndOvrAgn wrote:
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Mexican citizens will soon be eligible to apply for a "trusted traveler" status that will allow them to bypass some elements of airport security when they fly into the United States a U.S. government-approved program that critics say could be exploited by violent drug cartels.
Under the program, Mexicans who have undergone background checks and are deemed low security risks will be able to fly into major U.S. cities and breeze through customs without being questioned by U.S. Customs agents.
The so-called "Trusted Traveler" program is an expansion of a 2008 program called the "Global Entry Program" that speeds up the entry process for some passengers who have been pre-screened.
To participate in the program, Mexican citizens need to pay a $100 application fee and pass a security check by U.S and Mexican authorities. Once approved, their information - including biometric data - is entered into a database that is checked daily. Membership in the program is good for five years.
What are these 'so-called' elements of airport security that they'll be avoiding when they fly into the United States?
Memo From Turner

Bayport, NY

#24 Jan 1, 2011
OvrAndOvrAgn wrote:
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Mexican citizens will soon be eligible to apply for a "trusted traveler" status that will allow them to bypass some elements of airport security when they fly into the United States a U.S. government-approved program that critics say could be exploited by violent drug cartels.
Under the program, Mexicans who have undergone background checks and are deemed low security risks will be able to fly into major U.S. cities and breeze through customs without being questioned by U.S. Customs agents.
The so-called "Trusted Traveler" program is an expansion of a 2008 program called the "Global Entry Program" that speeds up the entry process for some passengers who have been pre-screened.
To participate in the program, Mexican citizens need to pay a $100 application fee and pass a security check by U.S and Mexican authorities. Once approved, their information - including biometric data - is entered into a database that is checked daily. Membership in the program is good for five years.
Yes, I am familiar with the procedure. I have a Global Entry card.

Mexican people will be allowed to contact US Homeland Security and begin the lengthy application process for a card. Similar programs have been in place in Europe and Asia for a while.

Your post mentioned that card holders can "bypass some elements of airport security" but that is not the case. Everybody goes through the same security before they get on the plane. That is the responsibility of TSA.

Global Entry is for Customs purposes. The only thing that Global Entry does is that after you arrive at your destination it allows you to use an automated kiosk instead of standing in the long passport inspection lines.

When you use the kiosk it scans your passport and then reads your fingerprint and confirms that it matches the fingerprint in their database. There is always a CBP officer standing there watching and they can question anybody they feel is suspicious.

After that you still have to pass through the Customs area. The only difference is that instead of physically handing the officer the Customs Declaration form, it is done digitally from the kiosk. Of course the form means little, because the officer always has the right to inspect your luggage.

Personally, I don't think this program is all that worthwhile. I come through customs at least once a month and do use one of the 20 airports that accepts Global Entry, so it does save me a little time, but unless you travel internationally frequently it is not worth the trouble to apply.

http://www.globalentry.gov/about.html

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Since: Dec 08

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#25 Jan 1, 2011
Rico from East LA wrote:
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What are these 'so-called' elements of airport security that they'll be avoiding when they fly into the United States?
Two weeks ago DHS announced plans the roll out of Trusted Traveler program with Mexico; under the program, Mexicans who have undergone background checks and are deemed low security risks will be able to fly into major U.S. cities and breeze through customs without being questioned by U.S. Customs agents.

Rico from East LA

“But it's so Racist”

Since: Mar 10

United States

#26 Jan 1, 2011
OvrAndOvrAgn wrote:
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Two weeks ago DHS announced plans the roll out of Trusted Traveler program with Mexico; under the program, Mexicans who have undergone background checks and are deemed low security risks will be able to fly into major U.S. cities and breeze through customs without being questioned by U.S. Customs agents.
If a person has a clean record & deemed a low security risk then what's the problem? I doubt they're going to just by-pass pat downs, metal detector checks, and all that crap ordinary people have to go through to hop on a plane. Now remember U.S. Customs and the Transportation Security Administration are separate agencies, different set of security checks.

Lay the fear mongering to rest.

“ Divided We Fall ”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#27 Jan 1, 2011
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Yes, I am familiar with the procedure. I have a Global Entry card.
Mexican people will be allowed to contact US Homeland Security and begin the lengthy application process for a card. Similar programs have been in place in Europe and Asia for a while.
Your post mentioned that card holders can "bypass some elements of airport security" but that is not the case. Everybody goes through the same security before they get on the plane. That is the responsibility of TSA.
Global Entry is for Customs purposes. The only thing that Global Entry does is that after you arrive at your destination it allows you to use an automated kiosk instead of standing in the long passport inspection lines.
When you use the kiosk it scans your passport and then reads your fingerprint and confirms that it matches the fingerprint in their database. There is always a CBP officer standing there watching and they can question anybody they feel is suspicious.
After that you still have to pass through the Customs area. The only difference is that instead of physically handing the officer the Customs Declaration form, it is done digitally from the kiosk. Of course the form means little, because the officer always has the right to inspect your luggage.
Personally, I don't think this program is all that worthwhile. I come through customs at least once a month and do use one of the 20 airports that accepts Global Entry, so it does save me a little time, but unless you travel internationally frequently it is not worth the trouble to apply.
http://www.globalentry.gov/about.html
Sorry but you are wrong since there is already a program which is part of the "trusted travler program" at the US/Mexico border called SENTRI (Secure Electronic Network for Travelers Rapid Inspection) Where "trusted SENTRI travlers" can enter into the US without being stopped (except for random checks)using the SENTRI expressway. Three weeks after the program started two "trusted SENTRI travlers" were caught trying to bring contraband across the border into the U.S. Thanks to the random checks by the BP Agents.


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Since: Dec 08

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#28 Jan 2, 2011
Rico from East LA wrote:
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If a person has a clean record & deemed a low security risk then what's the problem? I doubt they're going to just by-pass pat downs, metal detector checks, and all that crap ordinary people have to go through to hop on a plane. Now remember U.S. Customs and the Transportation Security Administration are separate agencies, different set of security checks.
Lay the fear mongering to rest.
Hey if you want to trust a country where a large part of their federal government and military are corrupt and working for sophisticated and dangerous drug cartels, who have taken over parts of the country and responsible for more than 11,000 killing in one year alone then by all means you go right on ahead but dont expect the rest of us to be a stupid as you.
In my opinion there is not one citizen of Mexico who should be able to enter the US with out going through every security check possible.

teddyroosevelt

Corinth, MS

#29 Jan 2, 2011
Facts Be Known wrote:
Anti-illegals want illegals to remain uneducated for the same reasons why slave owners wanted blacks to remain uneducated.
Hey,nutcase, there are educated Americans who are having great difficulty finding jobs. These illegal students talk some pretty unhealthy crap directed at Americans, and most Americans do not think that they should be given a free pass no matter how they got here. Their parents created their problems and they need to hold THEIR feet to the fire. We will not acquiesce to illegals for any reason.
I dont think so

Aurora, CO

#30 Jan 2, 2011
Facts Be Known wrote:
Anti-illegals want illegals to remain uneducated for the same reasons why slave owners wanted blacks to remain uneducated.
Illegals WANT to remain uneducated. 52% dropout rate. Colorado spent 1.5 billion on illegals last year (not counting any Federal monies), more than half of that on education and 52% didn't appreciate that education enough to finish. Why in the world would we spend even more to put these ungrateful illegals in the front of the line for college education?

We don't have enough money to provide services to Americans because we're spending so much on illegals. We don't have enough jobs for Americans because illegals are working those jobs. We don't have enough room in our jails because illegals are filling them.

We deported them after WWII, we needed the jobs. We deported them during the Great Depression, we needed the jobs. We deported them after the Korean war, we needed the jobs. Guess what? We need the jobs.

The defeat of the Dream Act makes it very clear. There will be NO AMNESTY. 77% of Americans favor deportation and they made their wishes abundantly clear at the last election. You have 2 choices. You can quietly pack up your ill gotten gains and leave now or you can wait until you are picked up by ICE and leave with nothing but the shirt on your back. Make no mistake, you are leaving.

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#31 Jan 2, 2011
Rico from East LA wrote:
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I woof you too Independent Patriot, my beloved conspiracy theorist.
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Again, pound sand, schizo. It's what you do best and are best suited to do.

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Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#32 Jan 2, 2011
I dont think so wrote:
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We deported them after WWII, we needed the jobs. We deported them during the Great Depression, we needed the jobs. We deported them after the Korean war, we needed the jobs. Guess what? We need the jobs.
Yes, and the other times we mass deported them, the USA didn't fall apart, as La Raza types claim would happen if we deported its minions today. lmao. We need uneducated, unskilled illegal burdens on our society like we need third nostrils.
teddyroosevelt

Corinth, MS

#33 Jan 2, 2011
Independent patriot wrote:
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Yes, and the other times we mass deported them, the USA didn't fall apart, as La Raza types claim would happen if we deported its minions today. lmao. We need uneducated, unskilled illegal burdens on our society like we need third nostrils.
Lord help,no. Then we might be able to smell the stench that emanates from DC! You are totally correct!

Rico from East LA

“But it's so Racist”

Since: Mar 10

United States

#34 Jan 2, 2011
OvrAndOvrAgn wrote:
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Hey if you want to trust a country where a large part of their federal government and military are corrupt and working for sophisticated and dangerous drug cartels, who have taken over parts of the country and responsible for more than 11,000 killing in one year alone then by all means you go right on ahead but dont expect the rest of us to be a stupid as you.
In my opinion there is not one citizen of Mexico who should be able to enter the US with out going through every security check possible.
U.S. Customs & TSA is not part of the Mexican Government.

Rico from East LA

“But it's so Racist”

Since: Mar 10

United States

#35 Jan 2, 2011
I dont think so wrote:
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Illegals WANT to remain uneducated. 52% dropout rate. Colorado spent 1.5 billion on illegals last year (not counting any Federal monies), more than half of that on education and 52% didn't appreciate that education enough to finish. Why in the world would we spend even more to put these ungrateful illegals in the front of the line for college education?
Source?

Rico from East LA

“But it's so Racist”

Since: Mar 10

United States

#36 Jan 2, 2011
Independent patriot wrote:
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Again, pound sand, schizo. It's what you do best and are best suited to do.
It's a conspiracy to pound sand.

Gloria85

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#37 Jan 2, 2011
Rico from East LA wrote:
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It's a conspiracy to pound sand.
Is it a conspiracy for you to avoid having a job so you can be on Topix all day and night?

Gloria85

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#38 Jan 2, 2011
Rico from East LA wrote:
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U.S. Customs & TSA is not part of the Mexican Government.
Source?
Memo From Turner

Bayport, NY

#39 Jan 2, 2011
OvrAndOvrAgn wrote:
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Sorry but you are wrong since there is already a program which is part of the "trusted travler program" at the US/Mexico border called SENTRI (Secure Electronic Network for Travelers Rapid Inspection) Where "trusted SENTRI travlers" can enter into the US without being stopped (except for random checks)using the SENTRI expressway. Three weeks after the program started two "trusted SENTRI travlers" were caught trying to bring contraband across the border into the U.S. Thanks to the random checks by the BP Agents.
What am I wrong about? We were discussing the Global Entry program that is used at some airports.

SENTRI is a separate program that is used for people who enter the country by car. It has been in place since 1995. If the last problem occurred 15 years ago then the program seems to be successful.

The only thing SENTRI does is provide a separate express traffic lane that allows cardholders to skip the long lines at the checkpoints. Once the car arrives at the checkpoint the process is the same as for anybody else. SENTRI is only used at ten border crossing points.

Memo From Turner

Bayport, NY

#40 Jan 2, 2011
OvrAndOvrAgn wrote:
<quoted text>
Two weeks ago DHS announced plans the roll out of Trusted Traveler program with Mexico; under the program, Mexicans who have undergone background checks and are deemed low security risks will be able to fly into major U.S. cities and breeze through customs without being questioned by U.S. Customs agents.
Who said anything about not talking to Customs agents? When you use Global Entry there is an agent sitting right there watching as your passport and fingerprints are scanned and you fill out the customs declarations forms on-line. Then you print out a receipt which contains the information you entered into the system. After claiming your baggage you walk through the same Customs lanes as everybody else and you hand the receipt to the agent.

If anything you are under more scrutiny then people without the pass.

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Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#43 Jan 2, 2011
Rico from East LA wrote:
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U.S. Customs & TSA is not part of the Mexican Government.
I never said that US Customs and the TSA were part of the Mexican government. You should try reading a little slower.
"Mexican citizens need to pay a $100 application fee and pass a security check by U.S and "MEXICAN AUTHORITIES"
Now if you want to trust a country with a corrupt government and military then go right on ahead.

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