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Councilman unsure if Muslims, gays should hold public office

There are 373 comments on the rawstory.com story from Apr 21, 2010, titled Councilman unsure if Muslims, gays should hold public office. In it, rawstory.com reports that:

The Human Rights Commission of Jacksonville, Fla. has a mission of ensuring “all residents enjoy a community free of discriminatory practices."

But as the city council reviewed the mayor’s nominees for the commission, one of its members has been accused of discriminating against them, Think Progress reported.

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“"Swift Boats R 4 Water Skiing"”

Since: Mar 09

"Equality" = Constitution"

#371 May 16, 2010
icwjohn wrote:
<quoted text>they don't give rights to sick bastards! thats why!
But they gave you rights? And you're one sick bastard! Go figure! LOL

Since: Mar 09

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#372 May 16, 2010
Nobody is "given" rights. Rights are innate.
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#373 May 16, 2010
snyper wrote:
Nobody is "given" rights. Rights are innate.
To a Christian, perhaps ... rights inhabit the human soul. Or perhaps we should say are expressed as "color" is expressed by a ripening cherry.

To all others - both atheists & realists (ie) those asserting social_contract human relations a human **right** is a human behavior practiced and supported by the local klan or village. Nothing more. Period.

Very different is Gub'mnt **pure power**. In well-organized states the Gub'mnt gun-barrel may protect any behavior; call those "rights" or flyinng spagetti-monsters makes noooo difference. In particular Gub'mnt may to its advantage advance & protect any behavior that increases Gub'mnt power.

Since: Sep 09

Saint Augustine, FL

#374 May 17, 2010
The Toaster wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam is the fastest growing religion in this country. Obviously a major part of that growth is larger Muslim families and immigration,because I'm quite sure we're not losing population to Americans relocating to Muslim counties.I don't mind people losing religious freedoms if that religion is anti American, and doesn't fit in with American culture.When home grown Muslim radicals are trying to kill their fellow Americans I think it's time for them to change religions or leave. Even with 9-11 muslims never stepped forward in any numbers to insure their support of America. Did you ever wonder why ?
The only people voting are either naive liberals or muslims ---

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#375 May 17, 2010
noshellswill wrote:
<quoted text>
To a Christian, perhaps ... rights inhabit the human soul. Or perhaps we should say are expressed as "color" is expressed by a ripening cherry.
To all others - both atheists & realists (ie) those asserting social_contract human relations a human **right** is a human behavior practiced and supported by the local klan or village. Nothing more. Period.
Very different is Gub'mnt **pure power**. In well-organized states the Gub'mnt gun-barrel may protect any behavior; call those "rights" or flyinng spagetti-monsters makes noooo difference. In particular Gub'mnt may to its advantage advance & protect any behavior that increases Gub'mnt power.
While objects such as rights exist in a class of intangibles that do not exist,per se, in the way that a hand or foot does, it is NOT necessary to require either religion or "soul" to assert that rights derive from existence itself.

Imagine yourself alone on the slopes of the Cascade Range without a human artifact in sight ... except for that which you bring with you. If RIGHTS derive from other people, did you leave them back in the city? What of the 10 point buck who lives out it's life never having laid eyes on a human before? Does it spring into existence only because a human has gazed upon it? Do these things exist only because of their relationship with humans? Is it really necessary to posit an extrinsic source? Wasn't it disgusting and ridiculous that men would sit around discussing whether or not native Americans had souls, especially considering the way these same men treated those who supposedly did ?
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#376 May 17, 2010
A well-spoken post. I see you accept my fav definition of **soul**: the primary act (existence) of a physical body potentially alive.

And that you recognize a "natural" man ... or man-in-nature has no such thing as rights: he will stand alone, live or die, eat or be eaten determined only by personal strength -- his power & cleverness.

Now your solipsist point about the <buck> is inconsistent, and leads nowhere as you have previously split off concrete from intangible non-concrete items ... concrete exists OKEY & you can't take-that-back. You **do** understand the irrationality of solipsist argument, eh hehehe ?

Well well ... all that leaves the **rights** issue pretty much as as I stated it. Nice post anyway --- welcome to JAX Topix.
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#377 May 17, 2010
snyper wrote:
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<snip>

Wasn't it disgusting and ridiculous that men would sit around discussing whether or not native Americans had souls, especially considering the way these same men treated those who supposedly did ?
Oh yeah -- your last dissembling paragraph speaks mountains for your true agenda. Of-course it is neither "disgusting and ridiculous" nor foolish for a manifestly dominant class ( white Euro_males ) to decide the status and consequence of mud_hut American Red-Men.

As you correctly observe - in wars of conquest they had brought carnage to their own best ... so why not to the Red_Man ? Since noone had rights, but that **power** earned through-the-sword. Would you take away that earned right ... and if so to whom would you assign sufficient power to execute the take_away ?

Well of-course palsy that power would be assigned to yourself and you own klan members ... whomever might they be. Now it's appropriate for me to make a comment about prying the melted steel barrel ... being that I'm a well_armed white Euro_male ... etcetc but you know that one I'm sure.

Since: Sep 09

Saint Augustine, FL

#378 May 19, 2010
The Toaster wrote:
<quoted text>
Islam is the fastest growing religion in this country. Obviously a major part of that growth is larger Muslim families and immigration,because I'm quite sure we're not losing population to Americans relocating to Muslim counties.I don't mind people losing religious freedoms if that religion is anti American, and doesn't fit in with American culture.When home grown Muslim radicals are trying to kill their fellow Americans I think it's time for them to change religions or leave. Even with 9-11 muslims never stepped forward in any numbers to insure their support of America. Did you ever wonder why ?
These people who judged this are naive morons, or Muslims.

“"Deemed Unconstitutional "”

Since: Jun 09

San Jose Ca.

#379 May 19, 2010
noshellswill wrote:
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Oh yeah -- your last dissembling paragraph speaks mountains for your true agenda. Of-course it is neither "disgusting and ridiculous" nor foolish for a manifestly dominant class ( white Euro_males ) to decide the status and consequence of mud_hut American Red-Men.
As you correctly observe - in wars of conquest they had brought carnage to their own best ... so why not to the Red_Man ? Since no one had rights, but that **power** earned through-the-sword. Would you take away that earned right ... and if so to whom would you assign sufficient power to execute the take_away ?
Well of-course palsy that power would be assigned to yourself and you own klan members ... whomever might they be. Now it's appropriate for me to make a comment about prying the melted steel barrel ... being that I'm a well_armed white Euro_male ... etcetc but you know that one I'm sure.
The only thing manifesting itself is your obvious psychosis! Are you hiding those meds under your mattress again? Wow an actual human P.O.S.! Did mommy drop you on your head as a baby? Were you born with brain damage? I'm just looking for a cause for the sickness you suffer from! Some kind of explanation as to why you believe you are better than the next person! I guess we'll be seeing you on the news some day after rampaging through some strip mall with your AK and offing a few innocent people all the while screaming it's manifest and it's my destiny! Can anyone say involuntary commitment? How very sad and pathetic you seem to be! Seek professional help before it's to late for you or some innocent!

“"Deemed Unconstitutional "”

Since: Jun 09

San Jose Ca.

#380 May 19, 2010
The Toaster wrote:
<quoted text>
These people who judged this are naive morons, or Muslims.
So much for the Constitution and freedom of religion! An actual domestic terrorist? Were you buddies with Timothy Mcvey by chance? LOL

Since: Sep 09

Saint Augustine, FL

#381 May 20, 2010
Aurora Borealis wrote:
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So much for the Constitution and freedom of religion! An actual domestic terrorist? Were you buddies with Timothy Mcvey by chance? LOL
The constitution and freedom of religion would be completely gone if this country is ever controlled by Islam. Naive non thinkers like you will cause the destruction of our country and culture. The Muslim faith hates everything about our culture,and most people understand that if they listen to our friends in Iran, Iraq, afghan,
Pakistan,Somalia,Turkey etc. The World Trade Center towers were blown up by Islamic terrorist, and a recent homegrown terrorest tried to blow up an SUV in downtown ,I believe in NYC. You're a moron to suggest I would befriend a Mcvey type person, a naive, weak minded person like you could be drawn into that type thinking, not me. All I'm saying is allowing religious fanatics of a freedom hating religion to practice their faith in our country is not good, and that freedom of religion in the case of that religion should be stopped because it's not in our best interest to allow it. They can relocate to another place such a Canada who will accept anything or anybody .
noshellswill

Jacksonville, FL

#383 May 20, 2010
Aurora Borealis wrote:
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The only thing manifesting itself is your obvious psychosis! Are you hiding those meds under your mattress again? Wow an actual human P.O.S.! Did mommy drop you on your head as a baby? Were you born with brain damage? I'm just looking for a cause for the sickness you suffer from! Some kind of explanation as to why you believe you are better than the next person! I guess we'll be seeing you on the news some day after rampaging through some strip mall with your AK and offing a few innocent people all the while screaming it's manifest and it's my destiny! Can anyone say involuntary commitment? How very sad and pathetic you seem to be! Seek professional help before it's to late for you or some innocent!
Valueless troll not worth 2-electrons printing.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#384 May 20, 2010
noshellswill wrote:
<quoted text>
Valueless troll not worth 2-electrons printing.
and yet your ego just made you use those 2 electrons by posting a reply. Responses like yours are so lame.

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