Half of Minnesota's kids aren't ready for kindergarten. Website...

Dec 24, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TwinCities

Many parents wonder if their child is ready for kindergarten. School readiness is complex.

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I am responding to your post: "What a crock, this is just another liberal ploy for more money for government subsidized baby sitting."
First, Head Start supports children ages 3-5, NOT 18-month toddlers as you allege.
Second, I take issue with your description of Head Start as "government subsidized baby sitting." Participation in Head Start has proven to improve grades and learning throughout K-12, as well as improved job prospects and lower incarceration rates. Wouldn't you rather have our youth wind up as employed taxpayers, or do you prefer to continue building prisons?
If the best anti-welfare program is a job, then why oppose programs that greatly increase the likelihood of students graduating into the work force?
I see very little evidence that substantiates your assertions. "Facts and Figures" can often be distorted to support a program, whether it is effective or not, and I think that most of us can come up with a good example of a gov't program that turned out to be disaster, even though it's supporters insisted that it would be a success. I'm not saying that Head Start is a 'disaster', but am very skeptical as to it's accomplishments. There is little substitute for good parenting, Head Start or NOT.

Minneapolis spends more money PER PUPIL than any other public school district in the STATE, yet it's students perform the WORST. NOW, the Feds just gave them $28 MILLION dollars, and some think that that will 'fix' everything. I would bet against that prediction. Most of it will go into teacher's salaries who fail to perform well, administrators who roll up huge expense accounts, and overbloated retirement benefits.

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Your kids are stupid! By the time I started kindergarten I was already working on complex algorithms and I had just started my 2nd novel. The only reason I bothered to go is because the teacher was hot and she usually didn't wear any panties.
and dont tell us.
you had to walk twenty miles one way in the winter with at least ten feet deep snow. up river enbankments that were at least fifty feet high both ways.

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Sangelia wrote:
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and dont tell us.
you had to walk twenty miles one way in the winter with at least ten feet deep snow. up river enbankments that were at least fifty feet high both ways.
You BET he did -- in Florida!

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You BET he did -- in Florida!
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!! that was a good one
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Sangelia wrote:
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and dont tell us.
you had to walk twenty miles one way in the winter with at least ten feet deep snow. up river enbankments that were at least fifty feet high both ways.
Why would I walk? By the time I was years old I had already designed and manufactured my own jet pack and I flew to school. That was actually me that shit on your head when you were a kid, not a big bird.

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CRASSUS wrote:
<quoted text>Why would I walk? By the time I was years old I had already designed and manufactured my own jet pack and I flew to school. That was actually me that shit on your head when you were a kid, not a big bird.
Well, Sangelia -- at least he FINALLY admits it.

Now I understand your tendency to always look down when walking outside -- simple self-preservation, imbued at a young age by the villain CRASSUS.

There may be a support group for the victims of CRASSUS in your area. Just dial the code WTF-LMAO on your touch-tone phone. Help is available!

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Well, Sangelia -- at least he FINALLY admits it.
Now I understand your tendency to always look down when walking outside -- simple self-preservation, imbued at a young age by the villain CRASSUS.
There may be a support group for the victims of CRASSUS in your area. Just dial the code WTF-LMAO on your touch-tone phone. Help is available!
unlike him. I rode the school bus to and from the schools I attended. except for my 9th grade year. but then, I needed to be on time to help with the breakfast program at the junior high.

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I went K-12 in Minnesota. As I recall prerequisite for Kindergarten were, count to 10, recite the ABC's and spell your name. It must have been tough for the Koiurhnewiudftynckaeuhggski's of the world.
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Billions upon Billions have been spent on the Government Jobs Program for Inner-City Disadvantaged adults.

With what result?.....the Ignorant adults with Government Jobs probably move the bar slightly for "some" attendees, but without the waste that is Headstart,(which studies have shown gives very little advantage to children as they all become equally ignorant by 4th Grade) there would be Billions available to actually experiment with programs for the 35% of children that are currently failed by the Dependents with Government Jobs in America's Education Industries.

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There are varying results from different studies on the effectiveness of Head Start. Here is one:

"Garces, Thomas, and Currie used data from the Panel Survey of Income Dynamics to review outcomes for close to 4,000 adults followed from childhood. Among European–Americans, adults who had attended Head Start were significantly more likely to complete high school, attend college, and possibly have higher earnings in their early twenties than their nonparticipant siblings. African American adults who had attended Head Start were significantly less likely to be booked or charged for a crime than were their nonparticipant siblings. Head Start may increase the likelihood that African American males graduate from high school. In addition, the authors noted larger effects for younger siblings who attended Head Start after an older sibling." ( Eliana Garces, Duncan Thomas, Janet Currie (September 2002). "Longer-Term Effects of Head Start". The American Economic Review 92 (4): 999–1012.)
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Madaman wrote:
There are varying results from different studies on the effectiveness of Head Start. Here is one:
"Garces, Thomas, and Currie used data from the Panel Survey of Income Dynamics to review outcomes for close to 4,000 adults followed from childhood. Among European–Americans, adults who had attended Head Start were significantly more likely to complete high school, attend college, and possibly have higher earnings in their early twenties than their nonparticipant siblings. African American adults who had attended Head Start were significantly less likely to be booked or charged for a crime than were their nonparticipant siblings. Head Start may increase the likelihood that African American males graduate from high school. In addition, the authors noted larger effects for younger siblings who attended Head Start after an older sibling." ( Eliana Garces, Duncan Thomas, Janet Currie (September 2002). "Longer-Term Effects of Head Start". The American Economic Review 92 (4): 999–1012.)
Numbers do not lie, but people dependent on good numbers to maintain thier jobs do.

So let me critque this using your writing.

"adults who had attended Head Start were significantly "MORE LIKELY" to complete high school"

"and "POSSIBLY" have higher earnings in their early twenties than their nonparticipant siblings"

"African American adults who had attended Head Start were
"SIGNIFICANLY LESS LIKELY to be booked"

Every conclusion that you use to make your case about this failed Program uses subjective words/phrases that are at best suspect...and at worst unimportant given that by High School 1/3 of ALL students will be failed by the failed Government Schools System!

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Consistent wrote:
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Numbers do not lie, but people dependent on good numbers to maintain thier jobs do.
So let me critque this using your writing.
"adults who had attended Head Start were significantly "MORE LIKELY" to complete high school"
"and "POSSIBLY" have higher earnings in their early twenties than their nonparticipant siblings"
"African American adults who had attended Head Start were
"SIGNIFICANLY LESS LIKELY to be booked"
Every conclusion that you use to make your case about this failed Program uses subjective words/phrases that are at best suspect...and at worst unimportant given that by High School 1/3 of ALL students will be failed by the failed Government Schools System!
Keep in mind that I am quoting a survey, or overview, of the study. More concrete numbers should be found in the text of the study.
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Madaman wrote:
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Keep in mind that I am quoting a survey, or overview, of the study. More concrete numbers should be found in the text of the study.
I suspect this is the best of what they got for this failed jobs program for Dependents with Government Jobs.

Billions wasted!...while the education professionals feed themselves at the Government Trough

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Consistent wrote:
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I suspect this is the best of what they got for this failed jobs program for Dependents with Government Jobs.
Billions wasted!...while the education professionals feed themselves at the Government Trough
I cannot agree that Billions have been wasted -- education HAS been delivered. Of course, the quality is extremely uneven, due to the American love of Local Control.

Doesn't it trouble you that Americans spend more money educating their children than ANY other industrialized nation, and obtain the worst results? That Americans spend more on health care than other industrialized nations, and have the worst results?

I am not saying that I have the Answer, but I am disturbed that Americans always seem to be paying more, but getting less.
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Madaman wrote:
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I cannot agree that Billions have been wasted -- education HAS been delivered. Of course, the quality is extremely uneven, due to the American love of Local Control.
Doesn't it trouble you that Americans spend more money educating their children than ANY other industrialized nation, and obtain the worst results? That Americans spend more on health care than other industrialized nations, and have the worst results?
I am not saying that I have the Answer, but I am disturbed that Americans always seem to be paying more, but getting less.
yes but your recent attacks against few who want to "reform" shows that you are still blinded by illogical partisanship.

corporations republicans love, want to dumb americans down as much as they can.

thats where the teachers unions come in.

The dumber the workforce, the cheaper the labor costs.

corporations control government. government controls education.

so why are you not surprised you are getting dumber?

education costs are increasing every year, becomes more expensive...why?

BECAUSE YOU AMERICANS ARE ENSLAVED.

ENSLAVED YOURSELVES.

GAVE UP LIBERTY FOR SECURITY.

GAVE UP HARD WORK FOR BRIBES.

GAVE UP INTEGRITY FOR SHORT PROFITS.

take a good look at yourselves...all they had to do was throw you the chains.

you strapped the chains on yourselves...then you swallowed the key for the promises that will never come.

LOL.

I pity for all those who will never ever see reality.

stuck in their fantasy world....

perception = reality
reality does not = perception
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Today, most college grads wouldn't have been considered ready for highschool not so long ago. no wonder the bankers and politicians are so stupid.
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Consistent wrote:
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Numbers do not lie, but people dependent on good numbers to maintain thier jobs do.
So let me critque this using your writing.
"adults who had attended Head Start were significantly "MORE LIKELY" to complete high school"
"and "POSSIBLY" have higher earnings in their early twenties than their nonparticipant siblings"
"African American adults who had attended Head Start were
"SIGNIFICANLY LESS LIKELY to be booked"
Every conclusion that you use to make your case about this failed Program uses subjective words/phrases that are at best suspect...and at worst unimportant given that by High School 1/3 of ALL students will be failed by the failed Government Schools System!
TOUCHE!!
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Your kids are stupid! By the time I started kindergarten I was already working on complex algorithms and I had just started my 2nd novel. The only reason I bothered to go is because the teacher was hot and she usually didn't wear any panties.
Shall we steralize the parents of those with the lower IQs? Either Hitler wasn't a monster after all or others need to be classified same as him. Eugenics began as a breeding science for horses in the late 19th century in the US. In the early 1900s No. Carolina and Virginia used it to control the population of humans that were deemed inferior though mental; retardation and handicapped. Hitler's Nazi Germany showe an interest in eugenics and expanded its use to control the population of those deemed unfit or unnecessary people: handicapped, gypsies, indigents, slavs, and Jews. This is the core of the Master Race way of thinking and it is alive and well in our world today. One can understand the need for birth control in today's world but who gets sterilized and who doesn't is not always a voluntary decision. The survivors make up the master race; the characteristics of which are highly defined by race purists. Here is a brief history.

General Draper was George Bush's guru on the population question. But there was also Draper's money--from that uniquely horrible source--and Draper's connections on Wall Street and abroad. Draper's son and heir, William H. Draper III, was co-chairman for finance (chief of fundraising) of the Bush-for-President national campaign organization in 1980. With George Bush in the White House, the younger Draper heads up the depopulation activities of the United Nations throughout the world.

The experiment worked as follows. All children enrolled in the school district of Winston-Salem, N.C., were given a special intelligence test. Those children who scored below a certain arbitrary low mark were then cut open and surgically sterilized. These are quotes from the official story of the project:

In Winston-Salem and in [nearby] Orange County, North Carolina, the Sterilization League's field committee had participated in testing projects to identify school age children who should be considered for sterilization. The project in Orange County was conducted by the University of North Carolina and was financed by a Mr. Hanes, a friend of Clarence Gamble and supporter of the field work project in North Carolina. The Winston-Salem project was also financed by Hanes. Hanes was underwear mogul James Gordon Hanes, a trustee of Bowman Gray Medical School.

The medical school had a long history of interest in eugenics and had compiled extensive histories of families carrying inheritable disease. In 1946, Dr. C. Nash Herndon ... made a statement to the press on the use of sterilization to prevent the spread of inheritable diseases....

http://www.tribalmessenger.org/t-secret-gov/e ...
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rider wrote:
<quoted text> Shall we steralize the parents of those with the lower IQs?
Yes, starting with you.

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