Why atheism is winning-7: Signs of religion's decline

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March 03, 2011 Why atheism is winning-7: Signs of religion's decline The idea that religion is in a period of inexorable decline is, unsurprisingly, not one that is shared by religious apologists.

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Epicurus

Winter Garden, FL

#1 Mar 4, 2011
If your faith needs an apologist... you have already lost!

The great religions set free the critical powers of humankind. They broke with the older Greek and Roman traditions that gods and Destiny ruled human fateóa belief that, when challenged by Socrates, saw him condemned to death. They challenged the power of the tribe, the closed society.

They offered up the possibility that human beings, although limited by circumstance and human weakness, could shape and give direction to society and their own lives. These religious thinkers were our first ethicists.

And it is perhaps not accidental that the current pope, as well as the last one, drove out of the Catholic Church thousands of clergy and religious leaders who embodied these qualities, elevating the dregs to positions of leadership and leaving the pedophiles to run the Sunday schools.

These religious institutions are in irreversible decline. They are ruled by moral and intellectual trolls. They have become arrogant and self-absorbed. Their sins are many. They protected criminals. They pandered to the lowest common denominator and illusions of personal fulfillment and surrendered their moral authority.

They did not fight the corporate tyrants who have impoverished us. They refused to denounce a caste of Christian heretics embodied by the Christian right and have, for their cowardice, been usurped by bizarre proto-fascists clutching the Christian cross.

They have nothing left to say. And their aging congregants, who are fleeing the church in droves, know it. But donít think the world will be a better place for their demise.

As we devolve into a commodity culture, in which celebrity, power and money reign, the older, dimming values of another era are being replaced. We are becoming objects, consumer products and marketable commodities. We have no intrinsic value. We are obsessed with self-presentation.

We must remain youthful. We must achieve notoriety and money or the illusion of it. And it does not matter what we do to get there. Success, as Goldman Sachs illustrates, is its own morality.

Other peopleís humiliation, pain and weakness become the fodder for popular entertainment. Education, building community, honesty, transparency and sharing see contestants disappeared from any reality television show or laughed out of any Wall Street firm.
QUEEN OF EVERYTHING

Monroeville, AL

#2 Mar 4, 2011
Epicurus wrote:
If your faith needs an apologist... you have already lost!
The great religions set free the critical powers of humankind. They broke with the older Greek and Roman traditions that gods and Destiny ruled human fateóa belief that, when challenged by Socrates, saw him condemned to death. They challenged the power of the tribe, the closed society.
They offered up the possibility that human beings, although limited by circumstance and human weakness, could shape and give direction to society and their own lives. These religious thinkers were our first ethicists.
And it is perhaps not accidental that the current pope, as well as the last one, drove out of the Catholic Church thousands of clergy and religious leaders who embodied these qualities, elevating the dregs to positions of leadership and leaving the pedophiles to run the Sunday schools.
These religious institutions are in irreversible decline. They are ruled by moral and intellectual trolls. They have become arrogant and self-absorbed. Their sins are many. They protected criminals. They pandered to the lowest common denominator and illusions of personal fulfillment and surrendered their moral authority.
They did not fight the corporate tyrants who have impoverished us. They refused to denounce a caste of Christian heretics embodied by the Christian right and have, for their cowardice, been usurped by bizarre proto-fascists clutching the Christian cross.
They have nothing left to say. And their aging congregants, who are fleeing the church in droves, know it. But donít think the world will be a better place for their demise.
As we devolve into a commodity culture, in which celebrity, power and money reign, the older, dimming values of another era are being replaced. We are becoming objects, consumer products and marketable commodities. We have no intrinsic value. We are obsessed with self-presentation.
We must remain youthful. We must achieve notoriety and money or the illusion of it. And it does not matter what we do to get there. Success, as Goldman Sachs illustrates, is its own morality.
Other peopleís humiliation, pain and weakness become the fodder for popular entertainment. Education, building community, honesty, transparency and sharing see contestants disappeared from any reality television show or laughed out of any Wall Street firm.
What an excellent article. This guy could have been describing the odious EH5 -- who has, thankfully, apparently been driven from our midst.

Another heartening trend, in spite of the steady "dumbing down" of America, is the rejection by many kids of the traps their parents seemed unable to avoid. They have simply rejected the absurd mythology on its face, and will be free to grow and develop their own views, unhampered by the strictures of ancient myths. Life is difficult enough without that toxic baggage, and I believe many of today's kids are simply refusing to continue to tote it around.

As religion recedes further and further into the darkness from which it sprung, it will become easier and easier for them to place it in its correct context -- as one of the most harmful delusion to ever plague the Planet. I see more and more kids turn, for instance, to music that is 50 years old, and even older, to find their archetypes. To me, this is the brightest beacon of all on the horizon, and seems to indicate a huge paradigm shift in human development.
Epicurus

Winter Garden, FL

#3 Mar 4, 2011
QUEEN OF EVERYTHING wrote:
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What an excellent article. This guy could have been describing the odious EH5 -- who has, thankfully, apparently been driven from our midst.
Another heartening trend, in spite of the steady "dumbing down" of America, is the rejection by many kids of the traps their parents seemed unable to avoid. They have simply rejected the absurd mythology on its face, and will be free to grow and develop their own views, unhampered by the strictures of ancient myths. Life is difficult enough without that toxic baggage, and I believe many of today's kids are simply refusing to continue to tote it around.
As religion recedes further and further into the darkness from which it sprung, it will become easier and easier for them to place it in its correct context -- as one of the most harmful delusion to ever plague the Planet. I see more and more kids turn, for instance, to music that is 50 years old, and even older, to find their archetypes. To me, this is the brightest beacon of all on the horizon, and seems to indicate a huge paradigm shift in human development.
Speaking of <kids> late 20's, here is a entertainer from Vancouver that does all old music.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#4 Mar 4, 2011
Epicurus wrote:
If your faith needs an apologist... you have already lost!
And that, my friend, is the crux of everything.

If god were real? No explanation would ever be needed.
Epicurus

Winter Garden, FL

#5 Mar 5, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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And that, my friend, is the crux of everything.
If god were real? No explanation would ever be needed.
Sir Robert...

When dabbling in superstition anything is possible!

That is why these godbots constantly need some kind of reinforcement. It is impossible to justify the Buybull vs modern society. So they cherry pick scripture to suit their personal needs. Sunday schools NEVER teach the disgusting stuff found in this horrid book. Incest, Slavery, Witches, Talking animals, etc.
seem to dissappear when the 'devout' attempt to THINK outside of the box imposed by religious dogma.

"You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough." ~Aldous Huxley

And.. this old 50's tune perfectly describes RELIGION!
Just substitute 'house' for 'faith'!



Clever is it not?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#6 Mar 5, 2011
Epicurus wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir Robert...
When dabbling in superstition anything is possible!
That is why these godbots constantly need some kind of reinforcement. It is impossible to justify the Buybull vs modern society. So they cherry pick scripture to suit their personal needs. Sunday schools NEVER teach the disgusting stuff found in this horrid book. Incest, Slavery, Witches, Talking animals, etc.
seem to dissappear when the 'devout' attempt to THINK outside of the box imposed by religious dogma.
"You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough." ~Aldous Huxley
And.. this old 50's tune perfectly describes RELIGION!
Just substitute 'house' for 'faith'!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =8QYEivb-3vgXX
Clever is it not?
Yes.

Sometimes, I think the person they are trying to convince the most?

Is themselves.

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