Why atheism is winning-6: The death of religious philosophy

Feb 25, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Mano Singham's Web Journal

February 25, 2011 Why atheism is winning-6: The death of religious philosophy Keith Parsons, a professor of philosophy at the University of Houston, recently caused a bit of a stir when he said that he has given up teaching the philosophy of religion to his students because all the arguments for religion, old and new, have been so effectively ...

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The four gospels are the four corner-stones upon which rests the fabric of orthodox Christianity. Three of these stones have crumbled, and the fourth is not likely to outlast this generation. The gospel of John cannot alone uphold the infinite absurdity of vicarious virtue and vice, and it cannot, without the aid of "interpolation," sustain the illogical and immoral dogma of salvation by faith. These frightful doctrines must be abandoned; the miraculous must be given up, the wonderful stories must be expunged, and from the creed of noble deeds the forgeries of superstition must be blotted out. From the temple of Morality and Truth -- from the great windows towards the sun -- the parasitic and poisonous vines of faith and fable must be torn.

The church will be compelled at last to rest its case, not upon the wonders Christ is said to have performed, but upon the system of morality he taught. All the miracles, including the resurrection and ascension, are, when compared with portions of the "Sermon on the Mount," but dust and darkness.

The careful reader of the New Testament will find three Christs described:-- One who wished to preserve Judaism -- one who wished to reform it, and one who built a system of his own. The apostles and their disciples, utterly unable to comprehend a religion that did away with sacrifices, churches, priests, and creeds, constructed a Christianity for themselves, so that the orthodox churches of to-day rest -- first, upon what Christ endeavored to destroy -- second, upon what he never said, and, third, upon a misunderstanding of what he did say. If a certain belief is necessary to insure the salvation of the soul, the church ought to explain, and without any unnecessary delay, why such an infinitely important fact was utterly ignored by Matthew, Mark and Luke.

There are only two explanations possible. Either belief is unnecessary, or the writers of these three Gospels did not understand the Christian system. The "sacredness" of the subject cannot longer hide the absurdity of the "scheme of salvation." nor the failure of Matthew, Mark and Luke to mention what is now claimed to have been the entire mission of Christ.

The church must take from the New Testament the supernatural; the idea that an intellectual conviction can subject an honest man to eternal pain -- the awful doctrine that the innocent can justly suffer for the guilty, and allow the remainder to be discussed, denied or believed without punishment and without reward. No one will object to the preaching of kindness, honesty and justice. To preach less is a crime, and to practice more is impossible.

There is one thing that ought to be again impressed upon the average theologian, and that is the utter futility of trying to answer arguments with personal abuse. It should be understood once for all that these questions are in no sense personal.

If it should turn out that all the professed Christians in the world are sinless saints, the question of how Matthew, Mark, and Luke, came to say nothing about the atonement and the scheme of salvation by faith, would still be asked. And if it should then be shown that all the doubters, deists, and atheists, are vile and vicious wretches, the question still would wait for a reply.

The origin of all religions, creeds, and sacred books, is substantially the same, and the history of one, is, in the main, the history of all. Thus far these religions have been the mistaken explanations of our surroundings. The appearances of nature have imposed upon the ignorance and fear of man. But Back of all honest creeds was, and is, the desire to know, to understand, and to explain, and that desire will, as I most fervently hope and earnestly believe, be gratified at last by the discovery of the truth. Until then, let us bear with the theories, hopes, dreams, mistakes, and honest thoughts of all.

Robert G. Ingersoll.
Washington, D.C.
October, 1880
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Mar 1, 2011
 
Wow! That happening in Houston (of all places) gives renewed hope that the mutating virus of theism is on the wane.

WHOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOO!

All good news is appreciated!

The race is on: the total destruction of the planet vs. waking up in time!

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Too bad humanity does not have enough time to get rid of religion. But you are definitely right.
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For several decades, religious pluralism has presented new challenges for the pastoral activity of the Church. The Protestant and Jewish minorities and lately the increased presence of Muslims have made it necessary for Catholics to revisit their practices and beliefs with respect to those of other faiths

If anyone could grasp what this simple statement means, all people would know that it is the idiots of this world, who started breaking off their own new "religions" which has gotten most of the World so confused that a roll of the dice will do, in their minds. You will notice that everything began with ONE CHURCH. "revisiting" or looking at some of these others" that are popping up hardly give any credence to them having a shred of reality.
Saying "too bad humanity does not have the time to get rid of religion," is like saying it's too bad the hand does not just do away with the body. You cant kill what made you or what allows you to continue to live.

Too bad humanity does not have enough time to get rid of religion. But you are definitely right.
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Very soon now, this world will experience the reality of all governments coming to agreement that religion has got to go, in order for there to be peace on this earth.

The holy war of Islam will not stop, their god has Islam ruling the world. They same attitude was held by Japans emperor, as that nations god.

The United Nations as the worlds only hope for peace on earth will fulfill Bible prophecy.
Revelation 17:9-18

Now is the time to get yourself on the side of Jehovah God, the God of the Bible, before the coming great Tribulation. You can survive the war of Armageddon. You must know, love and serve the true God Jehovah.
Matthew 22:37-39
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Near-Record High See Religion Losing Influence in America

PRINCETON, NJ -- Seven in 10 Americans say religion is losing its influence on American life -- one of the highest such responses in Gallup's 53-year history of asking this question, and significantly higher than in the first half of the past decade.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145409/Near-Record...

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gettagrip wrote:
For several decades, religious pluralism has presented new challenges for the pastoral activity of the Church. The Protestant and Jewish minorities and lately the increased presence of Muslims have made it necessary for Catholics to revisit their practices and beliefs with respect to those of other faiths
If anyone could grasp what this simple statement means, all people would know that it is the idiots of this world, who started breaking off their own new "religions" which has gotten most of the World so confused that a roll of the dice will do, in their minds. You will notice that everything began with ONE CHURCH. "revisiting" or looking at some of these others" that are popping up hardly give any credence to them having a shred of reality.
Saying "too bad humanity does not have the time to get rid of religion," is like saying it's too bad the hand does not just do away with the body. You cant kill what made you or what allows you to continue to live.
Too bad humanity does not have enough time to get rid of religion. But you are definitely right.
What's really too bad, is that neither you nor anyone else has a single shred of evidence that your god is real.

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True Witness wrote:
Very soon now, this world will experience the reality of all governments coming to agreement that religion has got to go, in order for there to be peace on this earth.
The holy war of Islam will not stop, their god has Islam ruling the world. They same attitude was held by Japans emperor, as that nations god.
The United Nations as the worlds only hope for peace on earth will fulfill Bible prophecy.
Revelation 17:9-18
Now is the time to get yourself on the side of Jehovah God, the God of the Bible, before the coming great Tribulation. You can survive the war of Armageddon. You must know, love and serve the true God Jehovah.
Matthew 22:37-39
That's some fairytale you have there.
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actually gifted wrote:
Too bad humanity does not have enough time to get rid of religion. But you are definitely right.
I think you're right too.

I just like to have a front row seat as they go down!

The apologies get more and more abject, and the mental gymnastics finally become contortions. ;)
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False. I spoke with Him this morning! He is alive and well and awaiting your call...
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What's really too bad, is that neither you nor anyone else has a single shred of evidence that your god is real.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

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False. I spoke with Him this morning! He is alive and well and awaiting your call...
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One sided conversations don't prove you are actually talking to someone.
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We are not in a Mental Health forum, so lets keep your DSM IV issues out of the poetry I like to call <my posts.>
Now,are you claiming that you have had a one sided conversation with God? Who was upset?
What did you mean by that? Who says God speaks audibly back to you? When you have a "gut" feeling, does your stomach protrude, look up at you and tell you what it is feeling? Why do you expect the same from God?
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gettagrip wrote:
False. I spoke with Him this morning! He is alive and well and awaiting your call...
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Really? You talked to him?
Did he tell you my name yet?
No?
I didn't think so.
Isn't it amazing that your god, whom you claim to talk to is incapable of giving you any information you don't already have?
You were talking to your imaginary friend. Not god. There is no god, and you know it.

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gettagrip wrote:
We are not in a Mental Health forum, so lets keep your DSM IV issues out of the poetry I like to call <my posts.>
Now,are you claiming that you have had a one sided conversation with God? Who was upset?
What did you mean by that? Who says God speaks audibly back to you? When you have a "gut" feeling, does your stomach protrude, look up at you and tell you what it is feeling? Why do you expect the same from God?
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More pathetic excuses for your non-existant god.
The expression "gut feeling" is not an assersion that your gut is alive and sentient. No one claims that their gut created the universe, and answers prayers.
Don't you know the difference?
Maybe you should talk to one of those PhD's you claim you manage. I'm sure they can explain it to you. Oh wait, that's all made up and in your imagination too.
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That's some fairytale you have there.
Check it out, the Bible is not fiction, religion has made God's word invalid by their man made false doctrines, religion has decieved mankind, not God's word. All you have to do is know how to read to find God.

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Check it out, the Bible is not fiction, religion has made God's word invalid by their man made false doctrines, religion has decieved mankind, not God's word. All you have to do is know how to read to find God.
That's really funny coming from a Jehovahs witness!!

If the Bible is not fiction, please show me any first hand proof of the existance of Jesus outside of the Bible.

Please show me proof hat your god is real.

Until then, it's a myth.
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Jehovah God, the designer and creator of all life and everything in existence has already proved he is real.

He created this planet earth, along with all the other planets and all the galaxies of the heavens, he put the sun exactly far enough away from the earth to make it comfortable to live and produce food to sustain life on it.

Jehovah had his only begotten spirit son in heaven, bring everything he designed into creation.
Man and animal life, all vegetaion and every seed bearing plant. All with the power to recreate fruitage. All animals to mate with their own kind, male and female and every flying animal and swimming creature.

Jesus Christ was born a flesh and blood man, and as Jehovah God's only begotten son and his word, his life and his ministry are recorded for mans benefit. If there is no other proof than his name being found on clay tablets or historians referring to him as being alive, your own brain will have to be your decision maker that Jesus lived or not.
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True Witness wrote:
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Check it out, the Bible is not fiction, religion has made God's word invalid by their man made false doctrines, religion has decieved mankind, not God's word. All you have to do is know how to read to find God.
I did!
It made me an atheist! Best atheist book ever written!

A Good Book? NOT A CHANCE!

" Happy the one who takes and dashes
Your little ones against the rock! "
-- Psalm 137.9.

Did Jesus lie or was it John?
" Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father."
--John 14.12
Come on Christians, let's see a few miracles walking on water, perhaps, or raising the dead?!


Ignorant or lying angel?
"The Lord God shall give him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end." Luke 1.32.33.
Hmm. Did Jesus ever get to reign over the house of Jacob?

Obedient slaves are righteous
"Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves ... obedience leads to righteousness?"
Romans 6.16.

Simple-minded
"I am jealous over you ... I fear your minds be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
2 Corinthians 11.2-3.
"I form the light, and create darkness. I make peace, and create EVIL. I the LORD do all these things."
Isaiah 45.7.

Puerile God
"If ye will not give glory unto my name saith the LORD ... I will spread dung upon your faces."
Malachi 2.2,3.

Making "every thought captive."
"For the weapons of our warfare are casting down imaginations ... and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
St Paul, 2 Corinthians 10.4,5.
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True Witness wrote:
Jehovah God, the designer and creator of all life and everything in existence has already proved he is real.
He created this planet earth, along with all the other planets and all the galaxies of the heavens, he put the sun exactly far enough away from the earth to make it comfortable to live and produce food to sustain life on it.
Jehovah had his only begotten spirit son in heaven, bring everything he designed into creation.
Man and animal life, all vegetaion and every seed bearing plant. All with the power to recreate fruitage. All animals to mate with their own kind, male and female and every flying animal and swimming creature.
Jesus Christ was born a flesh and blood man, and as Jehovah God's only begotten son and his word, his life and his ministry are recorded for mans benefit. If there is no other proof than his name being found on clay tablets or historians referring to him as being alive, your own brain will have to be your decision maker that Jesus lived or not.
OK.

I'll pick "not."
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True Witness wrote:
Jehovah God, the designer and creator of all life and everything in existence has already proved he is real.
He created this planet earth, along with all the other planets and all the galaxies of the heavens, he put the sun exactly far enough away from the earth to make it comfortable to live and produce food to sustain life on it.
Jehovah had his only begotten spirit son in heaven, bring everything he designed into creation.
Man and animal life, all vegetaion and every seed bearing plant. All with the power to recreate fruitage. All animals to mate with their own kind, male and female and every flying animal and swimming creature.
Jesus Christ was born a flesh and blood man, and as Jehovah God's only begotten son and his word, his life and his ministry are recorded for mans benefit. If there is no other proof than his name being found on clay tablets or historians referring to him as being alive, your own brain will have to be your decision maker that Jesus lived or not.
Jesus is a myth Skippy!

There is absolutely NO PROOF this figure ever existed outside of the BuyBull.

There is NO Roman History about Jesus.
There is NO Egyptian history about Moses.

Pure myths...

In fact, the quest for Biblical accounts of ancient Egypt at least into the 19th Dynasty of Egypt's New Kingdom, take on an interesting approach by most investigators. Essentially, since there is no evidence to clearly support the existence of Joseph, or Moses, or the Israeli Exodus, most of the investigation examines what was possible, what cannot be ruled out, or what fits into and Egyptian context. In other words, is it possible that such events or people could have existed from what we know of ancient Egypt. Some specifics are very possible, such as Joseph's rise to importance in the Egyptian court. Other events, such as the Exodus, as specifically told in the Bible, are much more difficult. Though the Egyptians may not have liked to record defeats, it would seem very probable that, were the disasters inflicted upon them as detailed in the Bible, there would have survived some textual evidence. For example, the Egyptians certainly recorded events such as eclipses of the sun and the levels of the Nile Flood. Were the Nile to have turned to blood and every firstborn child suddenly have died, not to mention all of the other plagues mentioned in Exodus, there would have doubtless been some record left, particularly during the New Kingdom. Tomb records frequently provide us with the most meager of details, and we have, from that period, many thousands of documents recording civil actions and even commercial contracts.

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