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Georgia colleges must check all students to see if they're legal

There are 36 comments on the www.ajc.com story from Jun 11, 2010, titled Georgia colleges must check all students to see if they're legal. In it, www.ajc.com reports that:

Georgia's public colleges are expected to verify the citizenship status of nearly 316,000 students by the time the fall semester resumes in August, the chancellor's office said Friday.

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hipster

Acworth, GA

#25 Jun 12, 2010
What about O.J.Simpson let's not forget that killer..

“Natural laws have no pity”

Since: May 07

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#26 Jun 13, 2010
barry wrote:
<quoted text>nice try, bluffing may work at the bar or at home with the wifey but not here.
an illegal immigrant is someone who illegally imiigrates/crosses the boarder [without documentation] they can be classified as criminals, fined and jailed but most likely just deported. an illegal alien is some one who is here without legal or current documentation. they may have arrived legally and overstayed their visa. they may have been brought here as a child. they by law are not criminals they can not be fined or put in jail unless they have previously been told to leave. they are guilty of only an administrative legality.
now of course an illegal immigrant most likely will also be an illegal alien but an illegal alien is not necessarily an illegal immigrant.
kansas city court of appeals 2007
attorney general cristopher cristy [nj] 2008
i could site other legal codes and standard law books but you get the point.
now go buck up and get it right. by law illegal aliens who arennot illegal immigrants have full rights.
Actually we both are right and wrong at the same time. Technically an alien can be called an immigrant and and vice versa. Both of these lists are from government sources, the IRS and USCIS. The feds don't differentiate between the two terms.

IRS Immigration Terms and Definitions Involving Aliens
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/internati...

Alien
An individual who is not a U.S. citizen or U.S. national.

Immigrant
An alien who has been granted the right by the USCIS to reside permanently in the United States and to work without restrictions in the United States. Also known as a Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR).

Nonimmigrant
An alien who has been granted the right by the USCIS to reside temporarily in the United States.

Illegal Alien
Also known as an "Undocumented Alien," is an alien who has entered the United States illegally and is deportable if apprehended, or an alien who entered the United States legally but who has fallen "out of status" and is deportable.

“Natural laws have no pity”

Since: May 07

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#27 Jun 13, 2010
USCIS Immigration Definitions Involving Aliens
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuit...
Alien
Any person not a citizen or national of the United States.

Deportable Alien
An alien in and admitted to the United States subject to any grounds of removal specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act. This includes any alien illegally in the United States, regardless of whether the alien entered the country by fraud or misrepresentation or entered legally but subsequently violated the terms of his or her nonimmigrant classification or status.

Immigrant
See "Permanent Resident Alien"

Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR)
Any person not a citizen of the United States who is residing the in the U.S. under legally recognized and lawfully recorded permanent residence as an immigrant. Also known as "Permanent Resident Alien," "Resident Alien Permit Holder," and "Green Card Holder."

Legalized Aliens
Certain illegal aliens who were eligible to apply for temporary resident status under the legalization provision of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. Legalization consists of two stages--temporary and then permanent residency. In order to adjust to permanent status aliens must have had continuous residence in the United States, be admissible as an immigrant, and demonstrate at least a minimal understanding and knowledge of the English language and U.S. history and government.

Migrant
A person who leaves his/her country of origin to seek residence in another country.

Nonimmigrant
An alien who seeks temporary entry to the United States for a specific purpose. The alien must have a permanent residence abroad (for most classes of admission) and qualify for the nonimmigrant classification sought. Most nonimmigrants can be accompanied or joined by spouses and unmarried minor (or dependent) children.

Permanent Resident
Any person not a citizen of the United States who is residing in the U.S. under legally recognized and lawfully recorded permanent residence as an immigrant. Also known as "Permanent Resident Alien", "Lawful Permanent Resident," "Resident Alien Permit Holder," and "Green Card Holder."

Permanent Resident Alien
An alien admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident. Permanent residents are also commonly referred to as immigrants; however, the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) broadly defines an immigrant as any alien in the United States, except one legally admitted under specific nonimmigrant categories (INA section 101(a)(15)). An illegal alien who entered the United States without inspection, for example, would be strictly defined as an immigrant under the INA but is not a permanent resident alien. Lawful permanent residents are legally accorded the privilege of residing permanently in the United States. They may be issued immigrant visas by the Department of State overseas or adjusted to permanent resident status by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services in the United States.

Principal Alien
The alien who applies for immigrant status and from whom another alien may derive lawful status under immigration law or regulations (usually spouses and minor unmarried children).

Resident Alien
Applies to non-U.S. citizens currently residing in the United States.

Those that are here legally and illegally(although they can be subject to deportation when caught or arrested) are equally subject to US law.
If someone was brought by their parents, even though they have not broken the law, they are still technically here illegally as per 8 U.S.C. 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
There is nothing concerning the age of the alien just the actions.
This puts illegal minors into kind of a legal limbo, but that's the parents fault no one elses.

Have a nice day.
;)

Since: Jan 10

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#28 Jun 13, 2010
illegal=criminal
Simple enough for all of you?

Since: Aug 08

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#29 Jun 16, 2010
Great idea...finally!
Max

Atlanta, GA

#30 Jun 16, 2010
When Obama legalizes the illegals (he needs the votes for re-election), there will be a revolution in this country. You should have your cupboards well stocked with provisions to survive the seige.
fsdfa

Merritt Island, FL

#31 Jun 16, 2010
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Pando

Fort Mohave, AZ

#32 Jun 16, 2010
Max wrote:
When Obama legalizes the illegals (he needs the votes for re-election), there will be a revolution in this country. You should have your cupboards well stocked with provisions to survive the seige.
You should check out your facts.

Obama can't "legalize" anyone. He would need approval of Congress.

Even so, granting amnesty doesn't give anyone the right to vote. It merely forgives their crime of illegally entering the U.S.. It would grant ILLEGAL ALIENS temporary residency during which they could apply for permanent residency.

In order to vote for president you have to be a citizen of the U.S.. To apply for citizenship you have to be in this country LEGALLY for 5 years. That pretty much stops ILLEGAL ALIENS from voting in the next presidential election.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#33 Jun 21, 2010
thanks for your post, it really get's tiresome continually explaning that there is a legal difference between illegal aliens and illegal immigrants. an alien who is not an illegal immigrant has about all the rights that we have. an illegal immigrant has very limited rights.
people who argue with passion only inflame the issues if they don't hold to the truth of the facts.
you also might want to check that legal code against court rulings as the courts have brought more clarity to the issue.
Agent of Chaos wrote:
USCIS Immigration Definitions Involving Aliens
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuit...
Alien
Any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
Deportable Alien
An alien in and admitted to the United States subject to any grounds of removal specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act. This includes any alien illegally in the United States, regardless of whether the alien entered the country by fraud or misrepresentation or entered legally but subsequently violated the terms of his or her nonimmigrant classification or status.
Immigrant
See "Permanent Resident Alien"
Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR)
Any person not a citizen of the United States who is residing the in the U.S. under legally recognized and lawfully recorded permanent residence as an immigrant. Also known as "Permanent Resident Alien," "Resident Alien Permit Holder," and "Green Card Holder."
Legalized Aliens
Certain illegal aliens who were eligible to apply for temporary resident status under the legalization provision of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. Legalization consists of two stages--temporary and then permanent residency. In order to adjust to permanent status aliens must have had continuous residence in the United States, be admissible as an immigrant, and demonstrate at least a minimal understanding and knowledge of the English language and U.S. history and government.
Migrant
A person who leaves his/her country of origin to seek residence in another country.
Nonimmigrant
An alien who seeks temporary entry to the United States for a specific purpose. The alien must have a permanent residence abroad (for most classes of admission) and qualify for the nonimmigrant classification sought. Most nonimmigrants can be accompanied or joined by spouses and unmarried minor (or dependent) children.
Permanent Resident
Any person not a citizen of the United States who is residing in the U.S. under legally recognized and lawfully recorded permanent residence as an immigrant. Also known as "Permanent Resident Alien", "Lawful Permanent Resident," "Resident Alien Permit Holder," and "Green Card Holder."

Principal Alien
the age of the alien just the actions.
This puts illegal minors into kind of a legal limbo, but that's the parents fault no one elses.
Have a nice day.
;)
barry

Rainsville, AL

#34 Jun 21, 2010
FedUpWithIllegals wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that a question you should be asking of illegal aliens?
Whatever! Your last sentence speaks for your ignorance. Are you drinking btw? Coz you make no sense.
Readers, let me quote what barry posted and you tell me if it makes any sense to you: "now if you willfully ignore the law does that make you illegal?"
Does that make any sense to you? If it does, please explain it to me, coz I just can't seem to wrap my head around it even after rereading it 10 times.
you're the one who seeks to impose your own definitions on the legal diferences between illegal immigrants and illegal aliens. you are the one who disrepects our legal system and wishes it to conform to your imagination.
a lot of illegal aliens are execising their right to atempt to resolve their situation. you seem to want to ignore that.
maybe you are just like the rest of the libs who seek to ignore laws and do what they think is best.:]
barry

Rainsville, AL

#35 Jun 21, 2010
FedUpWithIllegals wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all, your post is very vague and evasive. I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe English is not your first language?
After reading your post 5x and more, I STILL don't get your drift.
Let me explain. You say "but basically the law applies to those who chose to put themselves in the situation and it might not apply to those who innocently find them selves in the situation."
WTF does that mean??? Can someone please explain it to me???
barry, correct me if I'm wrong, BUT WHAT MINOR "chose to put themselves in the situation" compared "to those who innocently find them selves in the situation????" WTF?
First of all, do minors of foreign countries ACTUALLY and WILLINGLY put themselves in that position?? Wow. Those "minors" are making adult choices, in my opinion. WHAT MINOR DOES THIS?? It's beyond belief.
Secondly, for those who "innocently find themselves in that situation," THAT IS NOT THE PROBLEM OF AMERICAN VOTERS. THAT IS A FAMILY PROBLEM. The parents chose to sneak their kids into the US in hopes of another amnesty, and they calculated wrong. The US HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARENTS' CHOICES. The US did not invite these children in; the illegal parents forced them across the border.
How is this our responsibility??? Why does our Federal Gov HAVE TO GRANT THEM AMNESTY??? This was a choice made by their illegal parents. AREN'T THOSE VERY SAME PARENTS RESPONSIBLE FOR CORRECTING THEIR OWN MISTAKES??? It was a personal choice they made. THE USA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH NON-NATIONALS' PRIVATE CHOICES. Get it?? Let's put the blame where it truly belongs: ON THE ILLEGAL PARENTS.
It is THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX the mess they put their kids into, NOT OURS. If they were truly good parents, they would take all their illegal children back with them to their home country and try to work it out. After all, isn't THAT what illegal aliens use as a defense -- not separating families??
It's time for them to put their money where their mouth is. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THEIR DUPLICITY.
you do get it you just don't want to admit it. a minor who rides along with his dad while his dad robs a bank generally can not be charged with a crime unless it can be proven that the minor knew exactly what was happening, the ramifications of the crime and willingly participated when he had the ability not to.
as to your ramblings in your second point. yes it is the parents responsibility and by our laws they could abandon their child here to our welfare system. for many this would be actually what is best for their child as opposed to going back to a society that considers rape the first step to marriage. where drug lords are the law and control the economy.
now i never said that the gov must grant them amnesty so don't be putting words in my mouth just to inflame the debate. however our laws intitle every child to a hearing that would determine what is in the best interest of the child in regards to saftey. if their parents wanted that they could opt for that by abandoning their child.
you ask "can someone please explain it to me?" i doubt it. you have never witnessed what i have discussed and are just now being made aware of the intricacies of our laws.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#36 Jun 21, 2010
FedUpWithIllegals wrote:
<quoted text>
Believe me, barry, I am trying real hard to understand what you are saying.
But, I do think I can reply to your post. And my answer is "If you willfully ignore the law," it does not make you illegal, BUT IT SURE DOES MAKE YOU A F*CKING UNREMORSEFUL CRIMINAL. Like psychopathic criminals Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, etc. NO REMORSE.
So, does that answer your question???
your fasnation with my posts is flattering. your command of the english language is sad, and your comparison of innocent kids brought here by their parents to the most vile, evil criminals such as dahmer and bundy says all we need to know about who you really are.

daw

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#37 Jun 21, 2010
I would agree Barry get a grip.I would like to see the School's crack down on free lunches.

If you have a cell phone,200.00 sneaker's you aren't eligible for anything free.

Btw,if MOMS drops you off a School you aren't a thug.
Pando

Fort Mohave, AZ

#38 Aug 3, 2010
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you do get it you just don't want to admit it. a minor who rides along with his dad while his dad robs a bank generally can not be charged with a crime unless it can be proven that the minor knew exactly what was happening, the ramifications of the crime and willingly participated when he had the ability not to.
as to your ramblings in your second point. yes it is the parents responsibility and by our laws they could abandon their child here to our welfare system. for many this would be actually what is best for their child as opposed to going back to a society that considers rape the first step to marriage. where drug lords are the law and control the economy.
now i never said that the gov must grant them amnesty so don't be putting words in my mouth just to inflame the debate. however our laws intitle every child to a hearing that would determine what is in the best interest of the child in regards to saftey. if their parents wanted that they could opt for that by abandoning their child.
you ask "can someone please explain it to me?" i doubt it. you have never witnessed what i have discussed and are just now being made aware of the intricacies of our laws.
You left out one point: although the child might not be charged he would not be allowed to keep the loot his father stole or to profit in any way from papa's crime.
Desert Rat

Sun Valley, NV

#39 Aug 3, 2010
barry wrote:
<quoted text>nice try, bluffing may work at the bar or at home with the wifey but not here.
an illegal immigrant is someone who illegally imiigrates/crosses the boarder [without documentation] they can be classified as criminals, fined and jailed but most likely just deported. an illegal alien is some one who is here without legal or current documentation. they may have arrived legally and overstayed their visa. they may have been brought here as a child. they by law are not criminals they can not be fined or put in jail unless they have previously been told to leave. they are guilty of only an administrative legality.
now of course an illegal immigrant most likely will also be an illegal alien but an illegal alien is not necessarily an illegal immigrant.
kansas city court of appeals 2007
attorney general cristopher cristy [nj] 2008
i could site other legal codes and standard law books but you get the point.
now go buck up and get it right. by law illegal aliens who arennot illegal immigrants have full rights.
"A difference that makes no difference is no difference." -- Mr. Spock.

It really doesn't matter, they're both foreign criminal scum.

“YEAH!”

Since: Apr 10

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#40 Oct 15, 2010
Georgia House Members Send Letter to ICE Requesting Full Participation in Secure Communities

Friday, October 15, 2010, 12:56 PM EDT - posted on NumbersUSA

Seven Members from the Georgia House delegation have sent a letter to Immigration and Customs Enforcement asking the agency to implement its Secure Communities program throughout the state. Under Secure Communities, the fingerprints taken during local-jail bookings are automatically checked against Justice Dept. and Homeland Security Dept. databases. When the fingerprints match immigration records, local ICE officers are automatically notified and can determine if enforcement action is required.

The seven Congressmen to sign the letter include: Rep. Tom Price, Rep. Paul Broun, Rep. Phil Gingrey, Rep. Tom Graves, Rep. Jack Kingston, Rep. John Linder, and Rep. Lynn Westmoreland.

In the letter, the Congressmen wrote:

Priority in the deployment process is being given to high risk jurisdictions, and a number of localities in the State of Georgia have already been activated as a part of Secure Communities. We are asking you to implement the Secure Communities initiative throughout the entire State of Georgia as soon as possible. Doing so will improve public safety for all Georgians before 2013. Also, we are requesting an up-to-date list of all localities in which Secure Communities has been activates or not activated in the state.

According to a recent DHS report, nearly 400,000 criminal illegal aliens were deported in fiscal year 2010 as a result of Secure Communities.

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/octobe...

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