S.J. families angered by release of Lockerbie bomber
Scotland's release of the Lockerbie bomber has angered some South Jerseyans whose relatives died in the attack that killed 270.
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#1 Aug 28, 2009
The deal worked out is that profits realized from future oil and gas deals between Britain and Libya will be used to bail out the Scottish banks. As for speculation that Labor wants to use the Scottish financial crisis to prove that current plans by the ruling Scottish National Party (SNP) government to move Scotland toward independence and that Scotland cannot fare on its own without London. Brown and Salmond, a former RBS senior economist who negotiated Scotland North Sea oil revenue spending plans between RBS and the government while working for the bank, are on very close terms, according to our sources. Brown, a former British Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Salmond knew exactly what they were getting in return from Qaddafi and his son when they hammered out the bailout-for-Megrahi agreement -- the financial bailout of Scotlands two largest banks that were riddled with toxic bad loans by sweetheart oil and gas deals with Libya. Qaddafi was celebrating more than Megrahis release at the public ceremony in Libya -- the mercurial Libyan leader, once considered a pariah, is now one of the most influential business moguls in Great Britain.
In other words: In the City of London money talks and Megrahi walks when Libya uses it's oil money to bailout RBS, Barclay's Bank and HCSB.
#2 Aug 29, 2009
How fortunate we are to have journalist Wayne Madsen posting here, even if he is using the name "Jerry." Madsen, who hasn't spent a day without saying "basically" in his entire adult life, can concoct a conspiracy from complacency. He is a favorite guest of Alex Jones, the radio voice of paleoconservative conspiracy theorists.
On the other hand, Jerry may just be another unscrupulous plagiarist who lifted the entire first paragraph above from Madsen's "Report or, more likely, Jones' "Prison Planet" website. The brief second paragraph is probably his own condensed version of another section of Madsen's article. The telltale clue is "it's" as a possessive.
#3 Aug 31, 2009
Thank you for the tip of the hat BB, but you may want to do an updated check of Google News or similar reports on the BP Oil Deal for Lockerbie Bomber Release. The basic storyline noted in the original post is now being reported as potentally credible by such mainstream news agencies as The Times(UK), The Washington Post, CNN and The New York Times among others. If I may quote verbatum from The Times:
"BP was finally given the go-ahead six weeks after a volte-face by the British government to include Megrahi in a prisoner transfer agreement with Libya under which prisoners could serve out sentences in their home countries. Jack Straw, the justice secretary, revealed this decision in a letter to his Scottish counterpart. He cited wider negotiations and the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom. Sources in the UK and Tripoli said last week that those wider interests included BPs hoped-for share of Libyas untapped oil and gas reserves. The decision to include Megrahi in the prisoner transfer arrangement was seen by Libyan officials as paving the way for his release and BPs much-coveted deal was finally ratified. The detailed correspondence seen by The Sunday Times confirms that the Lockerbie bombers fate was regarded by the UK government as pivotal to relations with Libya. It also shows how anxious the government was to curry favour with Colonel Muammar Gadaffi by being seen to open the way for Megrahis release."
Not the usual fare from Alex Jones and his ilk.:) With best regards.
#4 Aug 31, 2009
Check out the below link. Sept 01 should be a VERY interesting day in both the UK and USA.
(..and remember you read it from me first a few days ago Hint: the next shoe to drop will be alot of red faces in the UK and USA and the timing could not be any better with the pending Real Estate Mortgauge/Credit Derivative meltdown, but that's another story for another day - cheers! Jerry )
UK and Scottish governments did deal over Lockerbie bomber release (Times Online UK - Sept 01, 2009)
#5 Sep 1, 2009
I love it. Jerry completely ignores the contention that he is a plagiarist and quotes a newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch on a topic that is only tangentially related to the several conspiratorial machinations in the Madsen piece, which have to do with Scottish independence and failing banks.
Furthermore, Megrahi's release was not part of a prisoner transfer agreement, Alex Salmond, the Scottish First Minister denied Megrahi's application to be included in a PTA, and the letter mentioned in the quote from Murdoch's paper is from 2007 or, perhaps, early 2008.
Additionally, the link provided in Jerry's last post is to a piece full of conjecture. In it the former British ambassador to Libya, who is now the head of the UK-Libya Business Council, says he "believes" there was a deal, he "thinks" there was a deal, that he "cannot know exactly what happened."
In the article, British and Scottish officials deny the former ambassador's conjecture.
The headline that Jerry quotes, "UK and Scottish governments "did deal" over Lockerbie bomber release," is, by American standards, shoddy, in that it is not supported by the text. something typical of the New York Post, another Murdoch paper.
A New York Times' today story is here:
Elsewhere, stories about the British and Scottish letters on the topic made public today indicate that the decision to release Megrahi was left entirely in Scottish hands. In none of those letters did British officials even ask the Scots to release Megrahi.
And finally, Jerry's verbatum (sic) quote from the (London) Sunday Times is not verbatim. Between the first part and the last two sentences, the original has a denial from BP and the British First Secretary of State, the latter of which reads,The idea that the British government and the Libyan government would sit down and somehow barter over the freedom or the life of this Libyan prisoner and make it form part of some business deal ... its not only wrong, its completely implausible and actually quite offensive.
Thus, Jerry appears to be as wacky as Alex Jones.
#6 Sep 1, 2009
BB you seem intent on discrediting both the messenger and the message. So be it. Just understand clearly that I am not happy about Megrahi's release at all. Also that I would not put it past certain elements of the UK Govt to pressure Scotland into a release deal for oil as much as I would not doubt Bush/Cheney's true intent in going into Iraq was to create the vassal-state of 'Greater Kurdistan' to grab North Iraq's vast oil reserves via a pipeline thru Turkey for the eventual benefit of Western Europe.
Oh well, time will tell. Cheers! Jerry. ps: Looks like the Italians have no shame either! Check out the link below...(how come we never see news like this in the mainstream USA press except on PBS or similar independent media? Curious eh?)
#7 Sep 2, 2009
Poor Jerry. The article in the Brisbane Times is a cobbled together piece from the Associate Press and Agence France Press. The AP version was even on Fox. The Boston Globe has this AP story that came later:
Jerry, the point is not whether you are happy about Megrahi's release, but whether you are a plagiarist who disseminates false information (the PTA claim, etc.) and speculation as fact (the Sunday Times headline).
Finally for now, how is breaking news like that contained in the Brisbane paper's article in any way related to what PBS does? There might be a Frontline documentary on the issue sometime in the future, but PBS doesn't carry breaking news. Did you mean NPR and/or Democracy Now? I dare say that the "mainstream USA press" has and will have more than most can digest on the topic.
#8 Sep 2, 2009
Hey BB. Did you see "me" on the Alex Jones Show today? If not then check it out.
ps: I get most of my news from PBS, NPR and BBC World. Oh well. On to tother things. CUL got to go to a lovely seafood dinner with my colleagues at the AQUA SF Cheers!
#9 Sep 2, 2009
Ooops-si-daisy! I nearly forgot BB here is an utterly hilarious website I found a few weeks ago that I just know you will greatly enjoy! http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/ - Had to post this mobile. I'm ensconsed in my friend's new 2009 Lexus GS hybrid enroute to dinner. Can you believe this thing has laptop WiFi in the passenger compartment! I got to get one of these someday - Cheers!:)
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