Impact of Tea Party remains to be seen, area politicos say

There are 19 comments on the Apr 13, 2010, Dayton Daily News story titled Impact of Tea Party remains to be seen, area politicos say. In it, Dayton Daily News reports that:

How or whether the Tea Party evolves into a third party, or even develops an agenda beyond a resentment of federal government power remains to be seen, local major party political sources and other observers say.

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penman

Alexandria, OH

#1 Apr 15, 2010
The article writer makes a good point. Third parties haven't done well in America--even the more well-known ones have trouble getting their candidates on the bvallots across the nation.

One example I can think of from American history is the Anti-Mason Party. They were formed to combat the Freemasons in the national government and campaigned on that platform in 1892. Without having researched it lately I recall they didn't amount to much and disappeared soon after. Their focus was too narrow.

The Tea Party will be forced by both their supporters and detractors to take stands on other issues--immigration reform, education, foreign policy, the economy, taxes and so on. That may lead to a splintering and fractionalization of its members. So many of the above-mentioned areas have an impact on their pet causes--a balanced budget and federalism. Successfully reforming the tax code so more money stays local rather than going to the federal government, for example, will slow its growth.

I think it is a "Catch-22" situation: most people figure the smaller parties don't have the clout to get elected. Therefore they are wasting their vote by backing candidates from the Libertarian, Naturasl Law, or Green parties, and others.

The Republicans and Democrats are flip sides of the same coin. There's a Nigerian proverb I find very appropriate: "When two elephants fight, only the grass suffers." That sums up Washington especially, state government to a lesser extent, and local government (below a certain city size) least of all.

But I'd argue that if you truly vote your conscience by going third party you haven't wasted your vote in one sense--you have given a true picture of the demand for reform in American politics. In the practical sense maybe you have, but anyone who expects a third party to do well enough to be the "kingmakers" in national elections in their first campaign is asking too much. You have to start at the grassroots level, on the local level, and work up.

That was Ross Perot's mistake, though he got 19% of the vote in 1992. The local organizations weren't already in place when he ran for President. And where is his movement now?

I don't think we really want small government. People have been griping about the reach and power of Washington for years. We want one large enough to accomplish our pet projects but small enough not to cramp our style.

Let's recall that, if people object to Obama's "socialist agenda" that it was Bush who first made a limited bailout of GM. Farther back, there was the bailout of Chrysler more than a decade ago, and back in the `80's there was the bailout of the savings and loan industry. Now we argue that the financial sector was "too big to [be allowed] to fail." Capitalism fumbled the ball with Enron, Tyco, WorldComm and others.
Toolman

Troy, OH

#2 Apr 15, 2010
Patriots Drink of Choice: Tea much stronger than Kool-Aid.
Greene County Patriot

Cincinnati, OH

#3 Apr 15, 2010
Who cares about that racist tea party leader in Springboro anyhow?

He's just another kook off the wall moron
pot roast

Columbus, OH

#4 Apr 15, 2010
another minority group with no solutions to the nations problems. all bark and no bite. ignore them.

Since: Jan 10

Dayton, Oh

#5 Apr 15, 2010
The Tea Party is no more a "Political Party" than the Vietnam war protesters were a political party.
greatguy

Fort Recovery, OH

#6 Apr 15, 2010
pot roast wrote:
another minority group with no solutions to the nations problems. all bark and no bite. ignore them.
What do you mean no solutions? Shows how much you read and how much you know. Fiscal responsibility--- Stop spending, Stop concentrating on a ideaological agenda instead of jobs and the economy. Pay attention to the unemployment #'s instead of creating a monster HC bill to punish taxpayers. Legislate by the law and the constitution....if you need anymore just look to Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams....the present day leader can not hold a candle to these guys.
greatguy

Fort Recovery, OH

#7 Apr 15, 2010
Samst0ne wrote:
The Tea Party is no more a "Political Party" than the Vietnam war protesters were a political party.
You are right...they are Concerned Americans wanting the truth to be shouted from the rooftops so people will start educating themselves on how to vote. They want people to stop listening to the mainstream propoganda and to research and use some common sense.
Toolman

Troy, OH

#8 Apr 16, 2010
Good post greatguy, sounds like you understand the situation of this administration socializing America.
Greene County Patriot

AOL

#9 Apr 16, 2010
Please don't call this black military retiree/veteran at the TEA party "Uncle Tom!"
And remember this Greene Country Patriot has a AOL address. The other one is a imposter with the Dayton address. I wouldn't live in Dayton.

“Picking Apart the Facts”

Since: Sep 09

Richlands

#10 Apr 16, 2010
I do have to thank Barack Obama for one thing. I have been talking, teaching and exhorting people to return to the Constitutional way of governing since the mid 1970s and it fell on deaf ears but Barack Obama has been the greatest galvaniser that I could have ever hoped for. Finally there are people that are listening to what I am saying and starting to look for themselves at what I have been seeing. I love the post of greatguy, and it bears repeating, they are Concerned Americans wanting the truth to be shouted from the rooftops so people will start educating themselves on how to vote. They want people to stop listening to the mainstream propoganda, to research and use some common sense. Greatguy, those are my sentiments exactly. I believe if the American voters had researched Obama's background, beliefs and ideology, he would have never been elected but I believe he was elected for a wakeup call o the American people to show how far we have travelled down the socialist road and how much our Constitutional way of governing had been incrementally eroded and eaten away by the rust of socialism. Thank you greatguy and keep educating those around you and anyone who will listen and use every way possible to awaken the people to this attack of socialism on our American Constitution and way of life.

“Picking Apart the Facts”

Since: Sep 09

Richlands

#11 Apr 16, 2010
And you Greene County Patriot at aol, please do the same. Educate the people you are in contact with and motivate them to study each and every candidate's voting record, beliefs and ideology and vote accordingly, not to party affiliation but to these three attributes. Keep up the good work.
The Old Cold Warrior

Springfield, OH

#12 Apr 16, 2010
Well, why doesn't the political and the media elite, including the true believers and the bottom feeders, just ignore them and let them fade away? Tea Party people also see and hear and read about the lies told about them and what they do and do not do, by these babbling government lovers and others who whine about racism and hate crimes and boohoo.
greatguy

Celina, OH

#13 Apr 17, 2010
ABC targeted a black tea partier at one of the events last week and ask him if he was "uncomfortable with the people he was with" The black man was one of the most eloquent representatives and answered honestly, "I'm with Americans.....I am an American!"
Bravo for this man who knows that this movement is not about race its about freedom!
The Old Cold Warrior

Springfield, OH

#14 Apr 17, 2010
The Tea Party people are sick of being reliable-Republican tricked hicks, and will not be voting to get the Bushmen and their followers and friends back in again. They will not be mushy and moderate and tolerant toward open borders, amnesty, job exportin' and Pentagon PAC-rat porkin'. They may pout and shout and just sit this one out.
penman

Mansfield, OH

#15 Apr 24, 2010
Even better--the TP and the GOP split the vote and Obama wins in 2012! It'll be the reverse of 2000!
nofan

Celina, OH

#16 Apr 25, 2010
So penman, have you read any of the bills that are being pushed through the congress or do you just watch the liberal propoganda channels and take your cues from them? Sure hope you like higher gas prices, higher taxes (VAT) less freedom and wait, now we are going to have a climate bill and amnesty on the horizon.

The irony of it all is that you and those like you will squeel the loudest when the "reality" of this all comes down. YOU ARE NOT EXEMPT! unless you are in congress. LOL!
Greene County Patriot

AOL

#17 Apr 26, 2010
Samst0ne wrote:
The Tea Party is no more a "Political Party" than the Vietnam war protesters were a political party.
You are right...they are Concerned Americans wanting the truth to be shouted from the rooftops so people will start educating themselves on how to vote. They want people to stop listening to the mainstream propoganda and to research and use some common

YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT. AND THEY ARE MAKING REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF CONGRESS MORE CONSERVATIVE. MOST OF US DON'T LIKE THE SNAKE OIL THE DEMOCRATS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND CONGRESS ARE TRYING TO MAKE US DRINK. THEY NEED TO START LISTENING TO THE MAJORITY OF US OR THEY ARE OUT OF THERE THIS FALL AND 2012.
The Old Cold Warrior

Miamisburg, OH

#18 Apr 26, 2010
We no longer boohoo or even care if those reliable retarded RINO Republicans, including the Bushmen and Lame Brain McCain, lose or have to leave D.C. or get real jobs like the best of us or the rest of us. They have lost their pet media whores and the Cold War.
penman

Mansfield, OH

#19 Apr 26, 2010
nofan wrote:
So penman, have you read any of the bills that are being pushed through the congress or do you just watch the liberal propoganda channels and take your cues from them? Sure hope you like higher gas prices, higher taxes (VAT) less freedom and wait, now we are going to have a climate bill and amnesty on the horizon.
The irony of it all is that you and those like you will squeel the loudest when the "reality" of this all comes down. YOU ARE NOT EXEMPT! unless you are in congress. LOL!
I don't watch TV at all. But I see a good chance of the 2000 election repeating itself, this time with the GOP on the losing end, thanks to you guys.

Of course we'll have higher gas prices. The supply's running out, for one. Then you have nitwits driving SUVs and pickups that get lousy mileage. That ups demand and prices.

Taxes will go up because operating costs for government go up. And let's not forget the pork everybody adds to spending bills.

Less freedom--thank the Patriot Act and limp-wristed Congresspeople for that, the ones who didn't have the guts to oppose it. Even many conservatives balked at some of the Act's provisions.

Amnesty--both major parties talked about it because both are kissing the asses of the Hispanic voting bloc.

The Darke County chapter of the TP is off to a great start, judging by some letters in the local paper recently. Seems Al Bliss is trying to run the whole show his way.

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