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“Picking Apart the Facts”
Since: Sep 09
#125 Apr 9, 2010
Informed Citizen, you are a person after me own heart. You are certainly knowledgeable and more than capable of carrying on an intelligent debate and/or conversation. I am not going to say a whole lot about your posts because they tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I remember a few years back I was working on a job in Columbia, South Carolina when I heard on the same job a cable, holding up a slab of concrete wall, had broken and crushed a young man to death, an experienced young man who knew not to stand under an apparatus such as that but one mistake cost him and his family dearly. Informed Worker, you might not like accolades but you're getting them from me. Keep up the good work. I'm proud to be a fellow earth traveller with you. Again, you're a person after me own heart.
#126 Apr 9, 2010
Thank you. I feel the same way about a few other posters. And I know I'll miss a lot of ID's - but for starters - you Mr. Owl, shootist & Capitalist Pig. I've been way too much time trying to search for the truth and counter crazies and I've just about decided to flip and go with outrageous comspiracy theories like our dear kookie parker.
What if all the troubles Massey has had in the last year are a part of a rouge band of huggers & union sympathizers sabatoging the mine sites. Is that beyond the realm of reasonable thought? Probably..
After following the Massey debate for over a year - it's become apparent that some folks are out to kill the company. Now I ask, has it been determined what caused the prep plant fire last year? A plant that wasn't operating when it was destroyed by a massive fire. Checking back on old news, I find that the plant was idled, it was the 3rd shift, about 3:30 am and the workers were eating lunch and mostly out of the facility. The latest explosion has been reported at (or from) 3-3:30 pm during a shift change. So many things (in my mind) are making a lot of sense.
Knowing miners tend to their sections & want to keep their mines running..why were there constanting "small things" to catch inspectors' eyes? Now I'm reading that violations weren't only a problem at this mine, and the vulture news playing up every violation at every mine...Folks, even someone who doesn't work in a mine like me should be able to figure out that there are going to be violations & why isn't the media being balanced here? Where are the other companies' records?
This incident isn’t just a matter of happenstance, but rather the inevitable result of a profit-driven system and reckless corporate conduct,” AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka
Now everyone in WV knows Rich Trumka -- what's his part in this discussion?
Rahall has called Massey a bad apple - it’s “valid” to question Massey’s dedication to worker safety.“Something’s fishy,” he said.“This company has a rather maverick reputation.”
What's his motive for spending 24/7 at the explosion site? Re-election maybe?
What's MSHA's role in all this? In talking to someone I was told it wasn't surprising at large complexes to have an inspector in mines all the time. I read about all the recent dates of inspections at Performance and one was about 11 inspectors spending 535 hours there. Now in hindsight they say it was inevitable that this tragedy was going to happen? Shouldn't they have closed down the mine if that was the case? Would inspectors even enter a mine they thought was too dangerous to operate?
And the violations -- every mine gets them. Again, as I was told when asking questions...a mine with 5 sections with reasonably get 5 times the violations as a mine with 1 section.
I'm going to agree with Nick Rahall - something is fishy here. Have investigations, but perhaps put an independent group in charge. I don't think MSHA should be handling an investigation where they were SO MUCH a part of the scene prior to the explosion.
I apologize for the rant (or for the essay as sometime called my posts & said they didn't want them). The families need answers, the country needs answers - but they need the "correct" answers, not political ones.
Again my disclaimer - I don't work for Massey, nor does anyone in my family, but with a company that's the biggest employer in the Appalachian region, I believe it's my business to keep on top of the issues & provide another side to the Cookie Parker's and the huggers who want to monopolize the conversation.
Thanks & my heartfelt condolences to the families - my family has a background of mining and a relative who died in 1972 in the Itmann explosion, leaving a young widow and 2 small childen (one a new-born just days before his death).
“Picking Apart the Facts”
Since: Sep 09
#127 Apr 9, 2010
Informed Citizen, I know you will be classified as a crazy by some for the above post but do not group me with anyone because like yourself I am my own person and we make our own judgements based on what we know. I now there will be some who will classify you as a conspiracy theorist. Been there. But I will say this, during my TOD, some of the villages and camps were not overrun but were opened up from the inside. A lot of the ARVNs were actually VC in ARVN uniforms. Some will know what I am talking about while others are in the dark. Do you, informed citizen, understand what I am saying?
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