Pageant Parents Many Times Exhibit Si...

Pageant Parents Many Times Exhibit Signs Of...

There are 14 comments on the RedOrbit story from Oct 28, 2012, titled Pageant Parents Many Times Exhibit Signs Of.... In it, RedOrbit reports that:

Although Honey Boo Boo has captured the imagination of the American audience with her boisterous personality, she isn't the only little girl on the beauty pageant circuit.

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#1 Oct 29, 2012
This happened to be a good article and very accurate IMO

It starts with the parents at the expense of the child

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#2 Nov 1, 2012
Hi Capricorn,

I finally had a chance to read this entire article, and I found this one paragraph to be exceptionally pertinent to the actions of Patsy, and even Nedra in their seeking pageant success for JBR.

Thanks for bringing this to the board.

"When parents struggle to differentiate between their own needs and those of their child,“achievement by proxy” can become “achievement by proxy distortion.” In order to achieve what they perceive as success, the parents may engage in risky behaviors, objectification or even abuse and exploit the child. Cartwright said she witnessed elements of these at the glitz pageants she attended."
Capricorn wrote:
This happened to be a good article and very accurate IMO
It starts with the parents at the expense of the child
WTF

Johnson City, TN

#3 Nov 1, 2012
funny

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#5 Nov 2, 2012
There is nothing "funny" about it. The kids are the ones who reap the consequences of the parents' actions.

It's really very sad for these kids and hopefully, someday they will be regulated and even better, banned for children below a certain age
WTF

Johnson City, TN

#6 Nov 2, 2012
Capricorn wrote:
There is nothing "funny" about it. The kids are the ones who reap the consequences of the parents' actions.
It's really very sad for these kids and hopefully, someday they will be regulated and even better, banned for children below a certain age
there is something funny about it. i'm not sayin some parents don't have a problem. but i don't hear anybody bitchin about little boys getting all padded up in their little football uniforms. or little boys playing basketball or hockey. the only difference is that TLC isn't showing the ballgames. you know the ones where the dads (and some moms) are yelling and screaming like crazy animals.
are we going to ban sports for kids under a certain age too? you people keep wanting to bitch and whine about the perverts watching the pageants. what about the ones that go to the ballgames and don't even have a kid playing? you all keep playing the jonbenet card. there are kids that go missing everyday and they have never been in a pageant. but you have one kiddie princess get killed by some nutcase and all of the sudden pageants must be banned.
as sorry as i am about what happened to that child i am sick of hearing that pageants are to blame. the only person to blame is the person that killed her. maybe some day we will find out who that is. and maybe it will turn out that the pageants had nothing to do with it.
if you go to a pageant you will see that the people there are there to watch their own kid. not sayin other people can't get in. just that most people know everybody there cause they usually do the same pageants.
pageants are fun for the little girls (and some boys too) to do. and i say if the kid wants to do it then she should be able to do it. she should also have the option to just say no too. once a kid is at least 3 years old it should be up to them.

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#7 Nov 2, 2012
WTF wrote:
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there is something funny about it. i'm not sayin some parents don't have a problem. but i don't hear anybody bitchin about little boys getting all padded up in their little football uniforms. or little boys playing basketball or hockey. the only difference is that TLC isn't showing the ballgames. you know the ones where the dads (and some moms) are yelling and screaming like crazy animals.
are we going to ban sports for kids under a certain age too? you people keep wanting to bitch and whine about the perverts watching the pageants. what about the ones that go to the ballgames and don't even have a kid playing? you all keep playing the jonbenet card. there are kids that go missing everyday and they have never been in a pageant. but you have one kiddie princess get killed by some nutcase and all of the sudden pageants must be banned.
as sorry as i am about what happened to that child i am sick of hearing that pageants are to blame. the only person to blame is the person that killed her. maybe some day we will find out who that is. and maybe it will turn out that the pageants had nothing to do with it.
if you go to a pageant you will see that the people there are there to watch their own kid. not sayin other people can't get in. just that most people know everybody there cause they usually do the same pageants.
pageants are fun for the little girls (and some boys too) to do. and i say if the kid wants to do it then she should be able to do it. she should also have the option to just say no too. once a kid is at least 3 years old it should be up to them.
You can take JB totally out of the equation, and still say the same things about the pageants as they are run today. It is not a healthy environment.

Really? A 3-year old is capable of making a sound decision? I don't think so.

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#8 Nov 2, 2012
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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You can take JB totally out of the equation, and still say the same things about the pageants as they are run today. It is not a healthy environment.
Really? A 3-year old is capable of making a sound decision? I don't think so.
You could argue BECAUSE OF JBR the pageants have gotten bigger and more over the top. I don't think the average American was aware of those until JBR was paraded before our eyes, and I don't think the mothers thought to stuff the bras and yell "shake that bootie" before JBR. It's as though Toddlers and Tiaras contestants are competeing against JonBenet's image...the ghost of a sexualized six year old.

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#9 Nov 2, 2012
realTopaz wrote:
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You could argue BECAUSE OF JBR the pageants have gotten bigger and more over the top. I don't think the average American was aware of those until JBR was paraded before our eyes, and I don't think the mothers thought to stuff the bras and yell "shake that bootie" before JBR. It's as though Toddlers and Tiaras contestants are competeing against JonBenet's image...the ghost of a sexualized six year old.
Excellent point rT.

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#10 Nov 2, 2012
WTF wrote:
but you have one kiddie princess get killed by some nutcase and all of the sudden pageants must be banned.
Jonbenet wasn't murdered by a stranger. She died accidentally at the hands of her brother and the parents covered it up. No different than Patsy covering up that mousy brown hair with Clairol or installing a ceiling fan for the stench in Jonbenet's bedroom.

Patsy Ramsey was the nutcase.

The family was so dysfunctional the kids were in therapy because they wouldn't use the toilet for BMs. Read the threads about encopresis and investigating the Ramsey's therapist. Most criminal behavior is rooted in mental illness and this family was beyond abnormal. What was going on in the Ramsey family couldn't have been more incredible had they been cannibals.

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#12 Nov 3, 2012
WTF wrote:
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there is something funny about it. i'm not sayin some parents don't have a problem. but i don't hear anybody bitchin about little boys getting all padded up in their little football uniforms. or little boys playing basketball or hockey. the only difference is that TLC isn't showing the ballgames. you know the ones where the dads (and some moms) are yelling and screaming like crazy animals.
are we going to ban sports for kids under a certain age too? you people keep wanting to bitch and whine about the perverts watching the pageants. what about the ones that go to the ballgames and don't even have a kid playing? you all keep playing the jonbenet card. there are kids that go missing everyday and they have never been in a pageant. but you have one kiddie princess get killed by some nutcase and all of the sudden pageants must be banned.
as sorry as i am about what happened to that child i am sick of hearing that pageants are to blame. the only person to blame is the person that killed her. maybe some day we will find out who that is. and maybe it will turn out that the pageants had nothing to do with it.
if you go to a pageant you will see that the people there are there to watch their own kid. not sayin other people can't get in. just that most people know everybody there cause they usually do the same pageants.
pageants are fun for the little girls (and some boys too) to do. and i say if the kid wants to do it then she should be able to do it. she should also have the option to just say no too. once a kid is at least 3 years old it should be up to them.
I believe you misunderstood my post and point. I feel the same way with any activity, whether it be sports or pageants. The sports parents that you describe are just as guilty of "over the top" as pageant parents.

All activities should be available to children with rules and regulations that are applicable and appropriate to the age groups participating in the activities.

Because it was discussed in THIS case, the pageants were discussed and I don't believe anyone here believes the pageants were the CAUSE of the crime

The pageant activity was discussed to show that Patsy was one of those parents who were over the top like the sports parents you described, and a whole other aspect to her personality other than the one that had been pushed for so long

I agree that activities should not be banned, but they just need stricter rules and enforcement and in the case of pageants, rules that are appropriate for the age groups participating.

Most of the time the kids are fine but the parents need a "time out" :)

But just to be clear, I personally do not believe the pageants had anything to do with JBR's death and/or the crime scene.

Three year old children make decisions for "right now" and are never in a position to make serious decisions for after "right now" and are incapable of knowing the long term ramifications of any decisions. If they were, they wouldn't need any supervision
OMG

Johnson City, TN

#13 Nov 6, 2012
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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You can take JB totally out of the equation, and still say the same things about the pageants as they are run today. It is not a healthy environment.
Really? A 3-year old is capable of making a sound decision? I don't think so.
SOME pageants are not run right. SOME parents are trying to live through their kids. SOME kids like the pageants and SOME don't. it should be up to the child after around age 3.
And yes a 3 year old can make a decision. my kids were about 3 when they would say yes or no. all you have to do is tell the kid there is a pageant soon. ask if she would like to do it. if she says yes you fill out the paperwork and send it in. if she says no you throw the papers in the trash. it's that easy. well it was that easy with my kids anyway.

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#14 Nov 6, 2012
OMG wrote:
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SOME pageants are not run right. SOME parents are trying to live through their kids. SOME kids like the pageants and SOME don't. it should be up to the child after around age 3.
And yes a 3 year old can make a decision. my kids were about 3 when they would say yes or no. all you have to do is tell the kid there is a pageant soon. ask if she would like to do it. if she says yes you fill out the paperwork and send it in. if she says no you throw the papers in the trash. it's that easy. well it was that easy with my kids anyway.
I certainly didn't say a 3-year-old couldn't speak. I said they couldn't make a sound decision, you know, one with reasoning behind it, and logic. You tell a 3-year-old to run in the street and they will do that too, LOL!
OMG

Johnson City, TN

#15 Nov 6, 2012
Legal__Eagle wrote:
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I certainly didn't say a 3-year-old couldn't speak. I said they couldn't make a sound decision, you know, one with reasoning behind it, and logic. You tell a 3-year-old to run in the street and they will do that too, LOL!
ok maybe it was just my 3 year olds!! they could make the decision to say yes i want to wear this itchy dress and do my princess moves or no i don't want to wear this itchy dress this time.
but i never "baby talked" my kids. i notice more and more try to keep their kids babies long after they should be wiping their own butt.
and they both knew that once they said yes or no the decision was final. i think it taught them that once they commit to something they better be ready to see it all the way through. same thing went for school activities. if they signed up for cheerleading or basketball they were there for all of the practices and all of the games. they could only miss if they were sick.
they are both grown and turned out to be decent human beings.
a lot of the problems with the pageants are the parents. i have seen some on T&T that need to be smacked. and this honey booboo child..........she would not have liked living at my house. but thats the mothers fault. thats the way she is raising her kids.
OMG

Johnson City, TN

#16 Nov 6, 2012
moonjack wrote:
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Jonbenet wasn't murdered by a stranger. She died accidentally at the hands of her brother and the parents covered it up. No different than Patsy covering up that mousy brown hair with Clairol or installing a ceiling fan for the stench in Jonbenet's bedroom.
Patsy Ramsey was the nutcase.
The family was so dysfunctional the kids were in therapy because they wouldn't use the toilet for BMs. Read the threads about encopresis and investigating the Ramsey's therapist. Most criminal behavior is rooted in mental illness and this family was beyond abnormal. What was going on in the Ramsey family couldn't have been more incredible had they been cannibals.
wow! i didn't know there was a witness. maybe you should have shared this with the detectives and they could have punished the murderer.

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