Alabama immigration crackdown costing...

Alabama immigration crackdown costing state billions: study

There are 43 comments on the Reuters story from Feb 2, 2012, titled Alabama immigration crackdown costing state billions: study. In it, Reuters reports that:

Alabama's crackdown on illegal immigrants, widely seen as the toughest in the United States, could cost the state's economy up to $10.8 billion, according to a new study.

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Since: Jan 12

Toledo, OH

#21 Feb 2, 2012
tom wrote:
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Cheaper to make it so any company or government agency or landlord who give sthem job or aid or rents to them are fined HUGE and jailed...If they cant find place to live or food to eat or money they will leave.....
Oh, I'm in full agreement with you, Tom. That's not going to happen while we have an individual in the White House who is determined to take us all down a peg or two. How DARE we enjoy the freedom and prosperity that our forefathers died to provide and protect!!!

Since: Jan 12

Toledo, OH

#22 Feb 2, 2012
THE FOLLOWING IS TEXT FROM THE ARTICLE:
"The cost-benefit analysis by University of Alabama economist Samuel Addy estimated up to 80,000 jobs could be vacated by illegal immigrants fleeing the crackdown, costing Alabama's economy up to $10.8 billion.

The lost jobs would cost Alabama up to $264.5 million in lost state sales and income taxes, and as much as $93.1 million in lost city and county sales taxes, it found."

So what these left-wingnuts are trying to have us believe is that there will be no one to do these jobs once we boot the illegals out...THAT'S FUCKING RICH, don't you think? In other words, let's pretend that 20% of AMERICANS aren't unemployed/underemployed for a minute...and while we're at it, let's also pretend that EVERY ILLEGAL ALIEN IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA PAYS INCOME TAXES. Okay, what's the figure?

"2.15 billion."

That sounds kind of light. What can we do to inflate that number?

"We're really stretching it here as it is, seeing as how WE KNOW FOR A FACT that millions of Americans are out of work AND that the majority illegals do not pay income taxes..."

Spare us the facts, we've got a headline to cover that!

"Alright, then...I guess I could take this ALREADY INFLATED figure and just...say, multiply it by...ten? Does that sound good?"

What's the figure?

"....brings it up to 10.8 billion."

Excellent. Inform Herr Obama that our work here is done.

Since: Jan 12

Toledo, OH

#23 Feb 2, 2012
"Wait a minute...that isn't accurate either. WTF?!? These calculators say "Made In Mexico"..."

That's okay. We're not looking for accuracy, we just want to scare the taxpayers into allowing the illegals to stay.
sterco

Polson, MT

#24 Feb 2, 2012
F Ritz Klenner5 wrote:
"Wait a minute...that isn't accurate either. WTF?!? These calculators say "Made In Mexico"..."
That's okay. We're not looking for accuracy, we just want to scare the taxpayers into allowing the illegals to stay.
I guess I am not AFFEARED!!! Get em out of here!!!
ima

El Paso, TX

#25 Feb 2, 2012
If we had always enforced our immigration laws, we wouldn't be having this problem now would we?

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#26 Feb 2, 2012
ima wrote:
If we had always enforced our immigration laws, we wouldn't be having this problem now would we?
It is not "WE" who have failed to enforce our immigration laws, it is our elected officials in the Federal Government. There is a lawsuit that has been filed in Tennessee against the Federal Government on behalf of US Citizens for the governments failure to enforce our immigration laws.
ima

El Paso, TX

#27 Feb 2, 2012
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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It is not "WE" who have failed to enforce our immigration laws, it is our elected officials in the Federal Government. There is a lawsuit that has been filed in Tennessee against the Federal Government on behalf of US Citizens for the governments failure to enforce our immigration laws.
Good for them, I think every state should follow Tennessee's action against the Fed. gov.

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#28 Feb 2, 2012
I see that Arizona has now filed a suit:

Arizona sues U.S. gov't for failing to enforce immigration laws

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/02...

Here is a link to the suit in Tennessee and it is a class action suit on behalf of the American citizens. I joined the suit last year.

http://libertylegalfoundation.org/illegal-imm...

Since: Apr 09

small town

#30 Feb 2, 2012
Another B.S. Report, show the Facts. How about the Medical, School, and Social Services the "PARASITES" take? More or Less Alabama Saves Money getting Rid of the illegal immigrants.
Illegals

AOL

#31 Feb 3, 2012
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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It is not "WE" who have failed to enforce our immigration laws, it is our elected officials in the Federal Government. There is a lawsuit that has been filed in Tennessee against the Federal Government on behalf of US Citizens for the governments failure to enforce our immigration laws.
Bottom line:

For all of those people who voted for pro open border, pro illegal alien politicians time and time again that are against E-verify, against changing "the birth right" laws, and who are against dropping illegals and their anchor babies off the welfare roles, are against deportation, but do support LaRaza, Mecha, Maldef and other Reconquista and open border advocates, and support amnesty it "is" your fault this country is over run with illegals, their anchor babies, their crime, and are a cost of 113 BILLION dollars annually to the 51% of those people who actually do pay taxes in the U.S.

As a majority, those voters are the ones responsible for putting the politicians in office that created this huge immigration problem.

Both democrat and Republican voters are guilty.

Vote for politicians that will close the border, deal with the illegal migration, and illegal immigration problem,(no amnesty) and you'll get differen't results. Until then, your just kicking the can down the road. and whining about something you are unwilling to fix...
HAHAHA

Stamford, CT

#32 Feb 3, 2012
The prisons in the US cost billions per year as well, so are we going to let out murderers???? NOPE
tom

Faribault, MN

#33 Feb 3, 2012
HAHAHA wrote:
The prisons in the US cost billions per year as well, so are we going to let out murderers???? NOPE
the prison system nation wide federal to local spending cost about 600 billion a year.....2/3 of which is drug charges.....End war on drugs and see a huge svaings and see people get back constitutional(original) freedoms back.

KnightMoves

Since: Sep 11

Traveling Onward

#34 Feb 3, 2012
Dont trust the source.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#35 Feb 3, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
80,000 jobs will open up according to the study but the study assumes that the 80,000 jobs will just disappear if the illegals that now hold those jobs leave. The truth is most of the jobs will not leave the state. Most will be filled by legal workers and they will pay taxes unlike most of the illegal aliens. The cost savings realized by putting 80,000 Americans and immigrants to work that are currently unemployed and the reduction in the number of children of illegal aliens in school and welfare rolls will offset most if not all financial impact. That of course was not factored into the study.
Just because a few rich people will lose some money with the loss of their slave labor does not mean that the laws should be ignored. Cracking down on illegal aliens and those that hire them is still the morally correct thing to do.
Just think of all the money that would be lost if illegal drugs disappeared from the state. Yet I think most people would agree that eliminating the crime, violence and other social costs that come with illegal drugs would be worth the monetary loss caused by the elimination of the illegal drug industry. That is unless you happen to be a lawyer, judge, prison guard, LEO or any other profession that makes their living legally from illegal drugs.
If prostitution was legalized the state would make billions of dollars from the industry but again most people do not approve of prostitution. Just because something makes money for the government that does not make it right or good for the average citizen.
Funny how the story does not say who financed the study.
You assume that the jobs will be filled by legals, but don't take that into account when talking about costs to the state. Note that the article says:

"State Republicans who support the law say it will help create jobs for legal residents by driving out undocumented workers and their families, and save up to $280 million they said is spent by the state each year on health and education services for the undocumented."

The state won't be spending anything on health and education services for the legal workers who will replace the illegals? That sounds overly optimistic. And the cost to the state is far higher than the savings in either case.

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#36 Feb 3, 2012
tha Professor wrote:
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You assume that the jobs will be filled by legals, but don't take that into account when talking about costs to the state. Note that the article says:
"State Republicans who support the law say it will help create jobs for legal residents by driving out undocumented workers and their families, and save up to $280 million they said is spent by the state each year on health and education services for the undocumented."
The state won't be spending anything on health and education services for the legal workers who will replace the illegals? That sounds overly optimistic. And the cost to the state is far higher than the savings in either case.
Have you noticed that unemployment in both Alabama and Georgia is going down?
Dee Dee Dee

Coopersburg, PA

#37 Feb 3, 2012
tha Professor wrote:
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You assume that the jobs will be filled by legals, but don't take that into account when talking about costs to the state. Note that the article says:
"State Republicans who support the law say it will help create jobs for legal residents by driving out undocumented workers and their families, and save up to $280 million they said is spent by the state each year on health and education services for the undocumented."
The state won't be spending anything on health and education services for the legal workers who will replace the illegals? That sounds overly optimistic. And the cost to the state is far higher than the savings in either case.
The state is already spending money to educate and provide health care to the legal workers so there would be no increase in the costs just because they have a job. In addition they are providing welfare and unemployment which they will not have to provide if the legal workers have a job. If the legal workers are employed they may also be able to pay their own healthcare costs not to mention they will be paying taxes.
ima

El Paso, TX

#38 Feb 3, 2012
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
I see that Arizona has now filed a suit:
Arizona sues U.S. gov't for failing to enforce immigration laws
Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/02...
Here is a link to the suit in Tennessee and it is a class action suit on behalf of the American citizens. I joined the suit last year.
http://libertylegalfoundation.org/illegal-imm...
Thanks for the link, Twink!

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#39 Feb 3, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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The state is already spending money to educate and provide health care to the legal workers so there would be no increase in the costs just because they have a job. In addition they are providing welfare and unemployment which they will not have to provide if the legal workers have a job. If the legal workers are employed they may also be able to pay their own healthcare costs not to mention they will be paying taxes.
Well, it's all speculation at this point. All I see so far are stats that seem to show that it will cost the state a lot more than it saves them. We shall see.

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Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#40 Feb 3, 2012
FYI, I'm no fan of illegal immigration, and I don't have a lot of problems with Alabama's law. One area where I part company with a lot of other lefties. :)

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Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#41 Feb 3, 2012
tom wrote:
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Yea if they cnat get a job and if they cnat get any money for food or find a place to live....THEY WILL LEAVE....It is like stary cats...dont feed them dont give them water and they will go away.
Stray cats are much cuter and they don't know right from wrong. Illegals are not cute at all and they most certainly *do* know that what they're doing is WRONG, not to mention illegal!

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