N.J. Can't Ban Sex Offenders From Liv...

N.J. Can't Ban Sex Offenders From Living Near Kids

There are 60 comments on the www.foxnews.com story from Jul 15, 2008, titled N.J. Can't Ban Sex Offenders From Living Near Kids. In it, www.foxnews.com reports that:

New Jersey towns cannot ban sex offenders from living near schools, parks, or other places where children gather, a state appeals court ruled on Tuesday.

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#1 Jul 15, 2008
"The ruling was applauded by the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union"

Go figure.
Nephilim

Altadena, CA

#2 Jul 15, 2008
In California we have had for a long time regulations prohibiting sex offenders from living within x feet of a school. Why does the ACLU find this unacceptable?

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#3 Jul 15, 2008
ACLU -

American Criminal Lewdness Union
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#4 Jul 16, 2008
Nephilim wrote:
In California we have had for a long time regulations prohibiting sex offenders from living within x feet of a school. Why does the ACLU find this unacceptable?
Why don't you research it and let us know?

It would do you some good to learn the truth.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#5 Jul 16, 2008
I wonder if any of you actually read the story...

...the law was struck down because Megan's Law already covered the issue. In other words, there was already a STATE law on the books that pre-empted the overturned local ordinances.

Also, putting a phrase in like "where children MIGHT congregate" is already unconstitutionally vague and overbroad. Then there is the problem of denying civil rights to people who have already served their time and had their rights restored.- turning any sentence into life.* It's not a good law, and this issue deserves a good one. As the Court stated:

"Cherry Hill and Galloway ordinances 'interfere with and frustrate the purposes and operation of the statewide scheme.'" Gosh, that doesn't sound like anyone standing up for the rights of pedophiles, now does it? But that is clearly the dishonest implication the posters above want to make.

So would it be better for these faulty laws to be challenged in a criminal prosecution, resulting in someone who ought to be convicted going free, or better to challenge it up front?

Here's what the ACLU really said, it's right there in the article you guys probably did not read:

"Megan's Law is already accepted as constitutional and as the state's comprehensive approach to sex offenders. The residency requirements do not contribute to rehabilitation and may in fact undermine it," said Deborah Jacobs, executive director of the state chapter."

If you want to criticize the ACLU, then do it on the basis of what they actually did and said, if that isn't too much trouble for you.

And then there is this:

"A 20-year-old college freshman at Richard Stockton College, in Galloway Township, challenged the law there after moving into a dormitory on campus. The student was considered a low-risk sex offender for an offense he committed when he was 15 against a 13-year-old girl."

Is this the kind of "pedophile" you are worried about? This is what I mean by overbroad...
Bad laws result in bad people going free, and people like our horny teenager getting unjustly punished. I should think you law-and-order types would appreciate that.

*Which IMHO might not be a bad idea for REAL pedophiles, but let's do it right, shall we?

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Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#6 Jul 16, 2008
Hello

As far as I'm concerned, any crime against a child should be treated as a threat to national security and dealt with by way of Capital Punishment

A.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#7 Jul 16, 2008
Atheist wrote:
Hello
As far as I'm concerned, any crime against a child should be treated as a threat to national security and dealt with by way of Capital Punishment
A.
I tend to agree...for actual pedophiles. But what about the 16 year old kid who has consensual sex with his 14 year old girlfriend? Should we put the kid in jail for statutory rape?

What about the 18 year old with a 17 year old?

Most states have laws that carve out "horny teenager" exceptions so horny but otherwise non-criminal kids don't get labeled as a pedophile for life based on what happened after the prom.
Nephilim

Altadena, CA

#8 Jul 16, 2008
Bud wrote:
I wonder if any of you actually read the story...
...the law was struck down because Megan's Law already covered the issue.
The article states that Megan's law had no residency restrictions. This is what they were trying to accomplish. So NO, it did not cover the issue they were trying to address. Typical lying bs.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#9 Jul 16, 2008
Nephilim wrote:
<quoted text>The article states that Megan's law had no residency restrictions. This is what they were trying to accomplish. So NO, it did not cover the issue they were trying to address. Typical lying bs.
Funny how the court disagreed with you. I guess they are all liars too?

Or is it more likely that you simply do not understand how the law works?

Bad laws yield bad results. Maybe you don't give a damn, but I want the laws punishing pedophiles to be rock solid. Actually, I believe you DO give a damn - but your anti-ACLU prejudice (because that's all it is) prevents you from understanding the law here.

Vagueness and overbreadth in laws do not serve anyone.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#10 Jul 16, 2008
Nephilim wrote:
<quoted text>The article states that Megan's law had no residency restrictions. This is what they were trying to accomplish. So NO, it did not cover the issue they were trying to address. Typical lying bs.
And there is a reason Megan's Law didn't include them. Can you guess why?

Let's see you play lawyer for a while, Neph. That should be entertaining.
Nephilim

Altadena, CA

#11 Jul 16, 2008
Bud wrote:
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And there is a reason Megan's Law didn't include them. Can you guess why?
Let's see you play lawyer for a while, Neph. That should be entertaining.
Why would I want to pretend to be lower than pond scum?

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#12 Jul 16, 2008
Hey Bud..

Yaa those are for sure completely different things..
Teenagers having sex is one thing...
It all depends what the ratio is..

If an 18 year old boy is diddling a 10 year old girl,, thats different as well...

Where do you draw the line though, you know...

However if it's an adult and the child is young then it's lights out...

A.

“Atheist and Proud !”

Since: Nov 07

Ontario,Canada

#13 Jul 16, 2008
Hello

Bud..

"Let's see you play lawyer for a while, Neph. That should be entertaining."

It's entertaining enough watching Neph attemp playing Rational, Logical Adult...

LOL

He's not a Lawyer in Real life, but plays one on the Internet..

HeHe..

A.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#14 Jul 16, 2008
Nephilim wrote:
<quoted text>Why would I want to pretend to be lower than pond scum?
In other words, you haven't the slightest idea.

I suppose you think that prosecutors that go after pedophiles are scum too?

I guess so, since that's what I used to do.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#15 Jul 16, 2008
Atheist wrote:
Hey Bud..
Yaa those are for sure completely different things..
Teenagers having sex is one thing...
It all depends what the ratio is..
If an 18 year old boy is diddling a 10 year old girl,, thats different as well...
Where do you draw the line though, you know...
However if it's an adult and the child is young then it's lights out...
A.
It's an interesting problem. A line has to be drawn, but drawing any line anywhere is inherently arbitrary.

So the best the law can do is to do exactly what you propose - draw the line based on a ratio of the relative ages. What a mess!

It's headaches like these that made me quit being a prosecutor.
harper

Germany

#16 Jul 16, 2008
Kerdy 1 wrote:
"The ruling was applauded by the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union"
Go figure.
2000 years of your religion gives us some very strange results...time to let others have a go..
Nephilim

Altadena, CA

#18 Jul 16, 2008
Bud wrote:
<quoted text>
It's an interesting problem. A line has to be drawn, but drawing any line anywhere is inherently arbitrary.
So the best the law can do is to do exactly what you propose - draw the line based on a ratio of the relative ages. What a mess!
It's headaches like these that made me quit being a prosecutor.
So rather than putting criminals behind bars you decided to join an org that fights to keep them out of prison and in society with the rest of us.
Bud

Tallahassee, FL

#19 Jul 16, 2008
Nephilim wrote:
<quoted text>So rather than putting criminals behind bars you decided to join an org that fights to keep them out of prison and in society with the rest of us.
I was a prosecutor before I joined. Do you really think you have anything to tell me?

“You don't have legs, Lt. Dan!”

Since: Apr 08

Hometown in Alberta, Canada!

#20 Jul 16, 2008
ACLU -

Against Conservatives Living Uprightly

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Since: Feb 08

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#21 Jul 16, 2008
ACLU

American Civil Liberties Union

Freedom's watchdog, working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend individual rights and personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

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