Group Seeks to End Collective Bargaining for Public Employees in California

Feb 7, 2011 Full story: Reason Foundation 9

States across the country are struggling with their finances as a result of overspending and the effects of the economic recession and stagnation.

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Duh

Clearlake, CA

#1 Feb 8, 2011
The Rico Act should be invoked and used in regard to public employee union negotiations.
The campaign contributions from public employee unions to the politicians that grant and support raises in pay and benefits rise to the level of racketeering.
LateNight

Sonoma, CA

#2 Feb 8, 2011
So banning unions will solve all California's ill?... Simplistic solution for a complex problem, Duh(mbo). How about banning politicians, like the city council in Bell? Oh, wait, they're not union.

For public employees, start by setting limits on pensions, require three year average (high three) for determining pensions, and use ONLY the base pay, not counting overtime and other premium pay, for setting the pension amount. Cut pensions back to 2% of the high three, just like federal employees. Retirement at age 55 for law enforcement and fire personnel, age 60 for other employees, but only with 30 years service, otherwise the same as Social (in)Security.

Set city council compensation (NOT JUST SALARIES) for ALL city councils based on the population of the city. Same for city managers and department heads. Require cities to PUBLISH the salaries and compensation of city councils and department heads in the major/predominant newspaper in each community, or in a regional paper service the area.
Huh

Clearlake, CA

#3 Feb 9, 2011
LateNight wrote:
So banning unions will solve all California's ill?... Simplistic solution for a complex problem, Duh(mbo). How about banning politicians, like the city council in Bell? Oh, wait, they're not union.
For public employees, start by setting limits on pensions, require three year average (high three) for determining pensions, and use ONLY the base pay, not counting overtime and other premium pay, for setting the pension amount. Cut pensions back to 2% of the high three, just like federal employees. Retirement at age 55 for law enforcement and fire personnel, age 60 for other employees, but only with 30 years service, otherwise the same as Social (in)Security.
Set city council compensation (NOT JUST SALARIES) for ALL city councils based on the population of the city. Same for city managers and department heads. Require cities to PUBLISH the salaries and compensation of city councils and department heads in the major/predominant newspaper in each community, or in a regional paper service the area.
first things first Einstein.
You don't cut anything without establishing the illegal premise of public employee unions.
They simply should not be allowed to exist without the checks and balances of the free market.
There are no checks and balances for public employee unions. No competition, no choice for consumers, no bankruptcy for the employer no matter how incompetent the managers are. Just an instiable need for more tax dollars.

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Since: May 08

Colima, Mexico

#4 Feb 9, 2011
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
first things first Einstein.
You don't cut anything without establishing the illegal premise of public employee unions.
They simply should not be allowed to exist without the checks and balances of the free market.
There are no checks and balances for public employee unions. No competition, no choice for consumers, no bankruptcy for the employer no matter how incompetent the managers are. Just an instiable need for more tax dollars.
So its dollars that makes that sucking sound that I hear every time I go back to California??

Since: Oct 09

American Canyon, CA

#5 Feb 10, 2011
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
first things first Einstein.
You don't cut anything without establishing the illegal premise of public employee unions.
They simply should not be allowed to exist without the checks and balances of the free market.
There are no checks and balances for public employee unions. No competition, no choice for consumers, no bankruptcy for the employer no matter how incompetent the managers are. Just an instiable need for more tax dollars.
What happened, you couldn't get a job as a prison guard a couple of years ago, so now you're taking your anger about that out on all government employees?

Pray tell what checks and balances are missing with PE unions? If anything PE unions have less power than unions in the business world. For example most, if not all, PE unions don't have the right to strike. The employer holds most of the cards, and can refuse to bargain in good faith without any penalty. The employer can just stall until the negotiations are forced into arbitration, which is no guarantee for either side. As far as choice, there is no choice for consumers with or without a union, the employer (GOVERNMENT) simply does as it pleases in ALL respects. If the employer has good managers, that particular part of government MAY work as it should, unless the executive branch interferes, which is generally what happens.

When the consumer/citizen stops demanding that government do everything for them except wipe their butt, and maybe even that, then the cost of governement will go down. Parents need to stop expecting the schools to do everything except tuck their brats in at night, and take responsibility for bringing the kids into the world and teaching (YES, TEACHING) them to be responsible citizens. Parents are a child's FIRST teacher, and too many parents have totally abdicated that responsibility.
Huh

Clearlake, CA

#6 Feb 10, 2011
LateNight wrote:
<quoted text>
What happened, you couldn't get a job as a prison guard a couple of years ago, so now you're taking your anger about that out on all government employees?
Pray tell what checks and balances are missing with PE unions? If anything PE unions have less power than unions in the business world. For example most, if not all, PE unions don't have the right to strike. The employer holds most of the cards, and can refuse to bargain in good faith without any penalty. The employer can just stall until the negotiations are forced into arbitration, which is no guarantee for either side. As far as choice, there is no choice for consumers with or without a union, the employer (GOVERNMENT) simply does as it pleases in ALL respects. If the employer has good managers, that particular part of government MAY work as it should, unless the executive branch interferes, which is generally what happens.
When the consumer/citizen stops demanding that government do everything for them except wipe their butt, and maybe even that, then the cost of governement will go down. Parents need to stop expecting the schools to do everything except tuck their brats in at night, and take responsibility for bringing the kids into the world and teaching (YES, TEACHING) them to be responsible citizens. Parents are a child's FIRST teacher, and too many parents have totally abdicated that responsibility.
I could cite a dozen examples of how public employee unions have screwed up our society. The most glaring example is in our schools. When was the last time that you saw a tenured teacher fired for incompetence?
The odds of having nearly NO bad teachers removed for cause are astounding, yet we have that situation all over the country.
This is a glaring example of PE unions corrupting our society.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/new-...
Huh

Clearlake, CA

#7 Feb 10, 2011
"Rubber room"

NEW YORK Hundreds of New York City public school teachers accused of offenses ranging from insubordination to sexual misconduct are being paid their full salaries to sit around all day playing Scrabble, surfing the Internet or just staring at the wall, if that's what they want to do.

Because their union contract makes it extremely difficult to fire them, the teachers have been banished by the school system to its "rubber rooms" _ off-campus office space where they wait months, even years, for their disciplinary hearings.

Because the teachers collect their full salaries of $70,000 or more, the city Department of Education estimates the practice costs the taxpayers $65 million a year. The department blames union rules.

"It is extremely difficult to fire a tenured teacher because of the protections afforded to them in their contract," spokeswoman Ann Forte said
Huh

Clearlake, CA

#8 Feb 10, 2011
Pardon the double post.

Since: Feb 11

San Antonio, TX

#9 Feb 14, 2011
Duh wrote:
The Rico Act should be invoked and used in regard to public employee union negotiations.
The campaign contributions from public employee unions to the politicians that grant and support raises in pay and benefits rise to the level of racketeering.
i gess

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