House Dems urge Obama to halt gay discharges from the military

Jun 22, 2009 Full story: www.boston.com 15

In the most vocal plea yet for the White House to take the lead in pushing for gays and lesbians to be allowed to serve openly in the military, 77 Democratic lawmakers today urged President Obama to use his executive powers to order a halt to military discharges under the controversial "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law and work aggressively with Congress to pass new legislation to overturn what they describe as a discriminatory policy that harms national security.

"We urge you to exercise the maximum discretion legally possible in administering Dont Ask, Dont Tell until Congress repeals the law," states the letter, organized by Rep. Alcee Hastings, a Democrat of Florida. "To this end, we ask that you direct the Armed Services not to initiate any investigation of service personnel to determine their sexual orientation, and that you instruct them to disregard third party accusations that do not allege violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice."

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“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#1 Jun 22, 2009
A first - if not incomplete - step in the right direction.

To complete this action the White House would first agree to stop all discharges based upon DADTDP currently in process.

The next step would be to rescind all discharges based upon DADTDP currently in process.

The final step would be to repeal DADTDP entirely.

Then and only then should the LGBT community start working again for and with the Democratic party WHILE AT THE SAME TIME keeping up the pressure to repeal the Federal DOMA.

Eric

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#2 Jun 22, 2009
F.T.A.:
But only Congress can make a permanent change, by overturning the 1993 law that established the current policy -- which stipulates that gays and lesbians can serve in uniform only if their sexual orientation remains secret.

And so far, virtually no Republicans in the House of Representatives or Senate have expressed a willingness to overturn the law, while many conservative Democrats are also considered wary of doing so.

Obama aides have said the president still plans on acting on his campaign pledge to work for the law's repeal but have outlined a very deliberative process of study and consultation with the top military brass that could take months, if not years.

Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates, asked about the policy last week, made it clear that he believes it is ultimately up to the Congress to reverse it and that the administration has few options unless it repeals the law.

"Until the law is changed, our ability to change the policy is extremely limited, if not nonexistent," Gates said.
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Congress is trying to pass the responsibility to the President. Be warned. You are the ones responsible for this law, not President Obama and not former President Clinton. YOU MEMBERS of CONGRESS.

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In order to achieve full civil rights now, we avow:

1.Full civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender individuals must be enacted now. Delay and excuses are no longer acceptable.

2.We will not leave any part of our community behind.

3.Separate is never equal.

4.Religious beliefs are not a basis upon which to affirm or deny civil rights.

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6.Individual involvement and grassroots action are paramount to success and must be encouraged.

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8.Those who seek our support are expected to commit to these principles.

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Mark in Portsmouth

Portsmouth, OH

#4 Jun 22, 2009
I have the better idea here:

You go to a 10-story building. Jump, head first.

Another homophobe down!
no problem

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Jun 22, 2009
not a homophobe hunny, just don't like @ueers
Mark in Portsmouth wrote:
I have the better idea here:
You go to a 10-story building. Jump, head first.
Another homophobe down!

“Try thinking HARDER”

Since: May 09

Chicago/KCMo

#6 Jun 22, 2009
no problem wrote:
let them serve openly and return to how it was managed in the 60's when I was in the Army. Drop them on their heads from a 2 story barracks window. Worked every time.
<quoted text>
And then all the meat heads can get themselves shot up after they've killed the one Arab speaking person on the squad that could've saved them.
Brilliant.

You're just a nasty, bigoted coward. Grow up.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#7 Jun 22, 2009
no problem wrote:
not a homophobe hunny, just don't like @ueers
<quoted text>
Whatever you want to call it, that comment was still bigoted and hateful. It makes me wonder what kind of a person you really are talking about throwing someone like me head's first off the top of a building. I never did anything to you, and while you think you're only speaking in the abstract like it's really all that fucking funny, there's someone out there reading those words who just might do it. If you really ever through one of you're comrads off the top of a building because you found out they're gay, I'd be very interested in getting the IP off that post and making sure you are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for murder.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#8 Jun 22, 2009
no problem wrote:
not a homophobe hunny, just don't like @ueers
<quoted text>
Self hatred can be such a bitch, can't it? 1st off, maybe I'm wrong but they didn't have women in the services back in the 60's, right, so you're a man. 2ndly, straight men don't utter the word "hunny". Welcome to gaydomville dude. Why don't you try to grow some balls and fess up to being a 'fag'.

btw, it's a shame you can't spout this kind of shite to my face, isn't it?

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#9 Jun 22, 2009
gemelk wrote:
A first - if not incomplete - step in the right direction.
To complete this action the White House would first agree to stop all discharges based upon DADTDP currently in process.
The next step would be to rescind all discharges based upon DADTDP currently in process.
The final step would be to repeal DADTDP entirely.
Then and only then should the LGBT community start working again for and with the Democratic party WHILE AT THE SAME TIME keeping up the pressure to repeal the Federal DOMA.
Eric
My sentiments as well. I have always thought that President Obama had the authority as Commander in Chief to halt all discharge proceedings under DADT and could stipulate Don't Pursue on his watch. I am unsure if this would require an executive order or how it would be done. But I know it can be done.

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#10 Jun 22, 2009
no problem wrote:
let them serve openly and return to how it was managed in the 60's when I was in the Army. Drop them on their heads from a 2 story barracks window. Worked every time.
<quoted text>
Then I am sure you will enjoy this video.


Bet your mother would be thrilled to not be able to identify your body.(7 min 25 sec into video; Petty Officer Schindler).
davisss13

Deland, FL

#11 Jun 22, 2009
Another step in the right(laughing) direction. Along with the same sex passport this is great news. We are really happy. Those silly people will accept us whether they like it or not.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Fairport, NY

#12 Jun 22, 2009
no problem wrote:
let them serve openly and return to how it was managed in the 60's when I was in the Army. Drop them on their heads from a 2 story barracks window. Worked every time.
<quoted text>
Hey one foot in the grave closet case, you're stuck in an imaginary past.

OTOH, maybe gays and lesbians should adopt these tactics and start tossing homophobes out of windows. Or outing them.

Praiz Jeebus!

Since: Nov 08

Roanoke, VA

#13 Jun 23, 2009
Bravo! This is the action we need. Contact with and pressure as voters to Congressional Representatives demanding action or a vote change. Obviously these 77 have been hearing from and listening.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#14 Jun 23, 2009
This is great news, but Obama isn't going to do crap about anything concerning LGBT rights. What a great trak record so far. The only thing he did was give the same-gender spouses of federal employees the same benifits even the Bush administration was willing to offer. It's a sad state of affairs when our so-called "fierce advocate" needs formal encouragement from over 70 members of the house in order to be persuaded to do something he already promised to do- repeal DODT. I say "dream on". Hope is truely audacious.

Since: Nov 08

Roanoke, VA

#15 Jun 24, 2009
Breathe! If hope is audacious, what is the point in even trying then? I am not like you and ready to give in or give up and throw in the towel. Sorry to see you are. Hard to complain about being under the bus when you lay down in front of one eh?
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
This is great news, but Obama isn't going to do crap about anything concerning LGBT rights. What a great trak record so far. The only thing he did was give the same-gender spouses of federal employees the same benifits even the Bush administration was willing to offer. It's a sad state of affairs when our so-called "fierce advocate" needs formal encouragement from over 70 members of the house in order to be persuaded to do something he already promised to do- repeal DODT. I say "dream on". Hope is truely audacious.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#16 Jun 24, 2009
OutVoice wrote:
Breathe! If hope is audacious, what is the point in even trying then? I am not like you and ready to give in or give up and throw in the towel. Sorry to see you are. Hard to complain about being under the bus when you lay down in front of one eh?
<quoted text>
Don't get me wrong. I'm not throwing in the towel. I simply don't have any illusions anymore about where Obama stands on the LGBT equality issue. The DOJ Defense of DOMA spells out clearly what the Obama administration's position is, and having completely undermined the potential for the most promising case ever reach SCOTUS, it is an offense I am not willing to forgive. Whatever promises Obama made for LGBT equality- I call bullshit. Write your congressmen. Obama isn't going to help. In fact, I wouldn't even be surprised if he decided to veto some LGBT legislation should that ever make it to his desk without his help.

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