With gay ban debate over, military im...

With gay ban debate over, military impact in doubt

There are 77 comments on the KOTA-TV Rapid City story from Dec 19, 2010, titled With gay ban debate over, military impact in doubt. In it, KOTA-TV Rapid City reports that:

The debate over gays in the military has been settled with a historic decision to allow them to serve openly, but big questions lie ahead about how and when the change will take place, how troops will accept it and whether it will hamper the U.S. military effort in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Spare us

Gig Harbor, WA

#1 Dec 20, 2010
Presumably we can expect thousands upon thousands of
gays and lesbians to be lined up at the door of their
local recruiting station tomorrow morning.

Yeah, right. In truth, DADT was about the OTHER gay
or lesbian being able to serve in the military.
realist

Greensboro, NC

#3 Dec 20, 2010
Much to do about nothing. Just eleminates an easy exit from the military when some guy or gal that enlisted finds out the military was not for them.

In case of armed conflict, no one should be exempt from the opportunity to fight for freedom.

Bringing back the draft would solve many of our nations problems dealing with the nations youth.
Retired GI

AOL

#4 Dec 20, 2010
Spare us wrote:
Presumably we can expect thousands upon thousands of
gays and lesbians to be lined up at the door of their
local recruiting station tomorrow morning.
Yeah, right. In truth, DADT was about the OTHER gay
or lesbian being able to serve in the military.
I doubt that very much, the current estimate of gays in the military is at 65K, with the total strength at 1,485,895 not counting reserves, etc. IOW, the gay military population pretty well match that of the general population in this country @ 10%.
However, most in the uniformed services (80%) are conservative, far from a bastion of liberalism.
Persona Non Grata

AOL

#5 Dec 20, 2010
Spare us wrote:
Presumably we can expect thousands upon thousands of
gays and lesbians to be lined up at the door of their
local recruiting station tomorrow morning.
Yeah, right. In truth, DADT was about the OTHER gay
or lesbian being able to serve in the military.
Seeing that most homosexuals are liberal by definition, I don't see them breaking down the doors to military service. Like the previous poster alluded to, its not an enviroment suitable to a liberal ideolgy.
Retired GI

AOL

#6 Dec 20, 2010
realist wrote:
Much to do about nothing. Just eleminates an easy exit from the military when some guy or gal that enlisted finds out the military was not for them.
In case of armed conflict, no one should be exempt from the opportunity to fight for freedom.
Bringing back the draft would solve many of our nations problems dealing with the nations youth.
I don't want to see us return to a draft that produced a lot of dopers, peace-nicks that are ideologically unsuited for such service, as in Vietnam. IOW, the moral fibre and dedication to country have diminished since WWII. An all volunteer military consistently produces the best we have in this country...been there seen that.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#7 Dec 20, 2010
Robert wrote:
What does the Bible tell us?
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literatu...
May God bless and have mercy on us.
No dear, that is what the Bible "told" Harold Camping and considering that the Bible also "told" Harold that the world was going to end in 1994 (not just once, but a second time, when the first didn't pan out and just so you know, it's also "told" him that it ends again next year), what the Bible "tells" Harold on this or any other subject, only proves that "God" has a pretty warped sense of humor...

If you were actually serious about this and not offering it to us as some sort of joke, may "God" have mercy on you...

Let me the first to wish you a Happy May 22nd!
(the 21st is going to be a serious downer for Harold Camping fans)
Persona Non Grata

AOL

#8 Dec 20, 2010
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>No dear, that is what the Bible "told" Harold Camping and considering that the Bible also "told" Harold that the world was going to end in 1994 (not just once, but a second time, when the first didn't pan out and just so you know, it's also "told" him that it ends again next year), what the Bible "tells" Harold on this or any other subject, only proves that "God" has a pretty warped sense of humor...
If you were actually serious about this and not offering it to us as some sort of joke, may "God" have mercy on you...
Let me the first to wish you a Happy May 22nd!
(the 21st is going to be a serious downer for Harold Camping fans)
The Bible only talks about critical times leading up to the annihilation [Armageddon]
of evil and defilers of Gods word that is so prevalent in this system ruled by Satan.

"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son,[Jesus] but only the Father." Mat. 24:36

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#9 Dec 20, 2010
Persona Non Grata wrote:
The Bible only talks about critical times leading up to the annihilation [Armageddon]
of evil and defilers of Gods word that is so prevalent in this system ruled by Satan.
"Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son,[Jesus] but only the Father." Mat. 24:36
You might want to remind "Robert", he's the one who keeps pimping the collective "thoughts" of Harold Camping....
Persona Non Grata

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#12 Dec 20, 2010
Robert wrote:
What does the Bible tell us?
http://www.familyradio.com/graphical/literatu...
May God bless and have mercy on uu
I didn't see your post at first, but I would suggest that you refer to my following post # 8...
scout

United States

#13 Dec 20, 2010
lol, now our Marxist military is gonna need some real high tech monkey suits to continue fear tactics.

We will become a big military joke: a bunch of homosexuals and women.
scout

United States

#14 Dec 20, 2010
The new 'shock and awe:' homosexuals!
McCarthy was right

Waukegan, IL

#15 Dec 20, 2010
Retired GI wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt that very much, the current estimate of gays in the military is at 65K, with the total strength at 1,485,895 not counting reserves, etc. IOW, the gay military population pretty well match that of the general population in this country @ 10%.
However, most in the uniformed services (80%) are conservative, far from a bastion of liberalism.
Still trying to push that discredited lie that homosexuals represent 10% of the population? Are you yet another propagandist liar or just ignorant?

A large coalition of pro-homosexual activist groups (such as GLAD) admitted in federal court (Lawrence v. Texas), that homosexual are less than 2% of the population.

And Bruce Voeller, a homosexual activism leader wrote in his book (Some Uses and Abuses of The Kinsey Scale) that the activists all knew the true figure but deliberately pushed the lie in order to gain acceptance.
realist

Greensboro, NC

#16 Dec 20, 2010
Retired GI wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't want to see us return to a draft that produced a lot of dopers, peace-nicks that are ideologically unsuited for such service, as in Vietnam. IOW, the moral fibre and dedication to country have diminished since WWII. An all volunteer military consistently produces the best we have in this country...been there seen that.
One of the most highly decorated warriors in Military history would strongly disagree. Col. Hackworth felt that those draftees were needed to keep the military on a straight course. An enlisted man in an all volunteer military is less prone to complain about an error than a draftee with limited obligations. My biggest bitch about the draft was the quantity of exceptions that allowed many to escape service. Draft them all and exempt only those that are physically unfit.
Retired GI

AOL

#17 Dec 20, 2010
realist wrote:
<quoted text>One of the most highly decorated warriors in Military history would strongly disagree. Col. Hackworth felt that those draftees were needed to keep the military on a straight course. An enlisted man in an all volunteer military is less prone to complain about an error than a draftee with limited obligations. My biggest bitch about the draft was the quantity of exceptions that allowed many to escape service. Draft them all and exempt only those that are physically unfit.
"Hack," as he was known by some of us that served in Nam. He enlisted in the Army at 16, became a hero, both in Nam & Korea, where he received his battle field commission. One of the the famed units he commanded was a Blackhawk "Air Cavalry" brigade in which pilots wore Civil War campaign hats and flew in helicopters with crossed swords painted on them. The movie "Apocalypse Now," where actor Robert Duvall played "Hack," but not in name. He was a hero in every since of the word, but the Army's pain in the a$$ "maverick." If it weren't for his war record, he would have been courts martialed instead of being allowed to retire in his current rank with full pay and allowances.

I liked Hack a lot, but I don't agree with his assessment of draftees IN THIS current culture, as many military experts have agreed. Hack was trained as a combat soldier, not an expert in Army's "manpower & Utilization." We're not living back in the 40's, things have changed drastically since then.
McCarthy was right

Bedford, TX

#18 Dec 20, 2010
realist wrote:
<quoted text>One of the most highly decorated warriors in Military history would strongly disagree. Col. Hackworth felt that those draftees were needed to keep the military on a straight course. An enlisted man in an all volunteer military is less prone to complain about an error than a draftee with limited obligations. My biggest bitch about the draft was the quantity of exceptions that allowed many to escape service. Draft them all and exempt only those that are physically unfit.
Oh, Bullshite.

The military branches have been bragging for years how much better today's voluntary military is than the bad old days of the draftees.
Retired GI

AOL

#19 Dec 20, 2010
McCarthy was right wrote:
<quoted text>
Still trying to push that discredited lie that homosexuals represent 10% of the population? Are you yet another propagandist liar or just ignorant?
A large coalition of pro-homosexual activist groups (such as GLAD) admitted in federal court (Lawrence v. Texas), that homosexual are less than 2% of the population.
And Bruce Voeller, a homosexual activism leader wrote in his book (Some Uses and Abuses of The Kinsey Scale) that the activists all knew the true figure but deliberately pushed the lie in order to gain acceptance.
Many figures have been floated since the Kinsey report, a self styled expert on human sexuality, a zoologist by training and a practising homosexual as well.
So who really knows, a society that is driven more by political correctness rather than fact?

I'm more concerned with open gayness in the military by showing more concern for their sexuality over their roll as a service member. Likened to their civilian counterparts obsession with their perversion and displaying it in a public venue at every opportunity. This administration quite possibly opened a "Pandora's Box?"
realist

Greensboro, NC

#20 Dec 20, 2010
McCarthy was right wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, Bullshite.
The military branches have been bragging for years how much better today's voluntary military is than the bad old days of the draftees.
Sounds like the brass is telling the politicians exactly what they want to hear. Another War is all we would need is when the draft will be coming back. Our military is stretched so thin, that we as a nation could not support another conflict without additional manpower and it is doubtful that volunteers in the future will be totally insufficient for any conflict without a draft.
realist

Greensboro, NC

#21 Dec 20, 2010
Retired GI wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hack," as he was known by some of us that served in Nam. He enlisted in the Army at 16, became a hero, both in Nam & Korea, where he received his battle field commission. One of the the famed units he commanded was a Blackhawk "Air Cavalry" brigade in which pilots wore Civil War campaign hats and flew in helicopters with crossed swords painted on them. The movie "Apocalypse Now," where actor Robert Duvall played "Hack," but not in name. He was a hero in every since of the word, but the Army's pain in the a$$ "maverick." If it weren't for his war record, he would have been courts martialed instead of being allowed to retire in his current rank with full pay and allowances.
I liked Hack a lot, but I don't agree with his assessment of draftees IN THIS current culture, as many military experts have agreed. Hack was trained as a combat soldier, not an expert in Army's "manpower & Utilization." We're not living back in the 40's, things have changed drastically since then.
Without a draft, there will not be sufficient volunteers to maintain our Military if and when the next major conflict comes. My personal belief is that it is coming sooner than later. I'll stick with Hacks assessment of the draftees. They died in great numbers in Vietnam and many served with great honor. When push comes to shove they will do so again.
Peralta de Peralta

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#22 Dec 20, 2010
Retired GI wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hack," as he was known by some of us that served in Nam. He enlisted in the Army at 16, became a hero, both in Nam & Korea, where he received his battle field commission. One of the the famed units he commanded was a Blackhawk "Air Cavalry" brigade in which pilots wore Civil War campaign hats and flew in helicopters with crossed swords painted on them. The movie "Apocalypse Now," where actor Robert Duvall played "Hack," but not in name. He was a hero in every since of the word, but the Army's pain in the a$$ "maverick." If it weren't for his war record, he would have been courts martialed instead of being allowed to retire in his current rank with full pay and allowances.
I liked Hack a lot, but I don't agree with his assessment of draftees IN THIS current culture, as many military experts have agreed. Hack was trained as a combat soldier, not an expert in Army's "manpower & Utilization." We're not living back in the 40's, things have changed drastically since then.
Human nature hasn't.
McCarthy was right

United States

#23 Dec 20, 2010
realist wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like the brass is telling the politicians exactly what they want to hear. Another War is all we would need is when the draft will be coming back. Our military is stretched so thin, that we as a nation could not support another conflict without additional manpower and it is doubtful that volunteers in the future will be totally insufficient for any conflict without a draft.
You’re full of Bullshite.

First you declared that a draft based military is superior in spite of numerous reports that the all voluntary military has proven absolutely superior, and now you’re changing the subject to the likelihood that the military will need to have a draft.

Well, I agree to the strong possibility of having to reinstate the draft, since enlistment and retention rates are likely to go down as a result of the elimination of DADT.

The likely result is that we’ll have an inferior but Politically Correct military. Way to go.

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