Gay WWII vet vindicated 70

Gay WWII vet vindicated 70

There are 20 comments on the Toledo Blade story from Sep 16, 2011, titled Gay WWII vet vindicated 70. In it, Toledo Blade reports that:

Nearly 70 years after expelling Melvin Dwork for being gay, the Navy is changing his discharge from "undesirable" to "honorable" - marking what is believed to be the first time the Pentagon has taken such a step on behalf of a World War II veteran since the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell." The Navy notified the 89-year-old former corpsman last ... (more)

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Boardwatch

UK

#1 Sep 16, 2011
I guess there is a reason they call them semen
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#2 Sep 18, 2011
Be glad this wasn't your discharge!

“WOOF !”

Since: Jul 11

Libertarian

#4 Sep 18, 2011
Maggie Gallagher wrote:
As usual, another homosexual essentially sided with the Enemy by diverting scarce resources in wartime to hamper the US war effort in that desperate struggle.
It's a travesty and the Navy is besmirching itself and its reputation by offering this pervert any recognition other than that seen on his 214, "undesirable".
Homosexuals are detrimental to the mission of defeating the Enemy.
Homosexuals are AIDS and comforts to the success of the Enemy in ways large and small.
Would you say that to the faces of USAF Lt. Col. Fehrenbach, a decorated F-15 fighter pilot, or USMC Staff Sgt. Eric Alva who served for 13 years and who was severely wounded in Iraq and personally decorated by the Secretery of Defense ?

Is that what you would say to them ?

Gay and lesbian Americans have been in our military since DAY ONE, before we even declared independence.

During the Revolutionary War, General von Steuben of Prussia volunteered his services to General George Washington to train the American rabble and turn them into an effective fighting force called the Continental Army.

That army won the war for us and established our independence more than 200 years ago.

General von Steuben was openly gay, and brought his gay companion from Europe to live with him while he trained the troops. After the war, Congress was so grateful to General von Steuben for his help, that they granted him a tract of land in upstate New York, and a lifetime pension. I made it a point last year to drive a very long distance to visit his grave and pay ny respects to this GREAT American.

In the City Of New York, the "Steuben Day Parade" is held each year in honor of this GREAT man.

Would you look into the eyes of these brave gay Americans and repeat the vile lies you posted here ?
Boardwatch

UK

#7 Sep 18, 2011
Brings a whole new meaning to the term FOXy Hole, Oh that's right, he was Navy, in his case it would be "Man the Torpedo, Full Speed Ahead"
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#9 Sep 18, 2011
OK ignorant homophobes. You had your 2 cents worth but it is not your DD214 you are fighting for so when this happens to you, may you find support but its not so don't go there. We of military pride are at least willing to listen to both sides of the argument. It is what a soldier does for his country, not who they sleep with.
Boardwatch

UK

#10 Sep 18, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
OK ignorant homophobes. You had your 2 cents worth but it is not your DD214 you are fighting for so when this happens to you, may you find support but its not so don't go there. We of military pride are at least willing to listen to both sides of the argument. It is what a soldier does for his country, not who they sleep with.
Don't you all sleep in the same Barracks..? Share the same community showers? Yes a Gay in the Military doesn't have to fantasize, he's got it all right there in front of him... Free to look at everyday.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#11 Sep 18, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you all sleep in the same Barracks..? Share the same community showers? Yes a Gay in the Military doesn't have to fantasize, he's got it all right there in front of him... Free to look at everyday.
You have MEN here who have petty officers in charge #1.
#2. Men who take the chance of pushing their lifestyle off on someone else has what they call a blanket party and it's not what you think, quite the opposite and although this is frowned upon (I am sure now a days), it is still the men of the unit that have control in their sleeping quarters.
#3. NO ONE would be that stupid to take a chance like this.
#4. The men still carry respect for one another since they may have to fight along side one another one day, any day.
#5. If there is a 'gay issue' this is reported to the CO and determination is made at that level.
#6. NO ONE IS THAT STUPID!
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#12 Sep 18, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you all sleep in the same Barracks..? Share the same community showers? Yes a Gay in the Military doesn't have to fantasize, he's got it all right there in front of him... Free to look at everyday.
Take a look at reality here...
You have communal living with the fire dept.
You have the same with the national guard.
You have the same living conditions with college students. Ask these people how they do it. There are certain boundaries you just don't cross and if you are any type of intelligent human being, you would understand this. It was done back 70 years ago when Melvin Dwork was in the military and it is done today. The only thing that has changed is the stupidity of the people thinking this way. There are a lot of military people who know gay people, sleep in the same quarters, live the same daily lives and these men and women who know gay people do not feel they are a threat because there are certain boundaries you just do not cross and that is done out of respect and common sense.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#13 Sep 18, 2011
Maggie Gallagher wrote:
As usual, another homosexual essentially sided with the Enemy by diverting scarce resources in wartime to hamper the US war effort in that desperate struggle.
It's a travesty and the Navy is besmirching itself and its reputation by offering this pervert any recognition other than that seen on his 214, "undesirable".
Homosexuals are detrimental to the mission of defeating the Enemy.
Homosexuals are AIDS and comforts to the success of the Enemy in ways large and small.
Join the military and see how far that attitude gets you! By the way, if you did, I would watch my ass if I were you, people with this mental attitude are not tolerated well in the military.'Accidents' do happen to 'straight' people as well!
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#14 Sep 18, 2011
Maggie Gallagher wrote:
<quoted text>General Washington issued orders that known homosexuals should be lynched by their compatriots.
If you can't discern the clear intent of President Washington, I can't help you.
President Washington said that queers should be publicly hanged if found, to demonstrate good and moral order within the nascent US Army and Marines.
Educate yourself.
No responsible leader or politician would advocate for dirty queers to infest/infect our Armed Forces of the United States.
General and President Washington set a sterling example for posterity to follow. President Washington expects that each and every soldier will do their duty in the highest aspiration of duty and not besmirch themselves with dishonor.
General Washington rightly ordered homosexuals to be publicly executed when discovered, as homosexuals always work in the best interests of the Enemy.
Hang 'em high!!!
Are you doing a study on the gay lifestyle? You seem to know a awful lot about whom and what. You have so much damage to create but ask the men and women in the military what they think. Some will tell you yes, they oppose it and others will say, no it doesn't bother them because there are boundaries you just don't cross and the military know that because these are men and women from all over the US with different points of view but all have to live together when they defend their country. These are the men and women who have a real voice so why don't you go mute and listen to what these men and women have to say. They live the lives they are willing to die for!
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#15 Sep 18, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
Brings a whole new meaning to the term FOXy Hole, Oh that's right, he was Navy, in his case it would be "Man the Torpedo, Full Speed Ahead"
You might be surprised to see where that torpedo might land.
Boardwatch

UK

#16 Sep 18, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
<quoted text>
You have MEN here who have petty officers in charge #1.
#2. Men who take the chance of pushing their lifestyle off on someone else has what they call a blanket party and it's not what you think, quite the opposite and although this is frowned upon (I am sure now a days), it is still the men of the unit that have control in their sleeping quarters.
#3. NO ONE would be that stupid to take a chance like this.
#4. The men still carry respect for one another since they may have to fight along side one another one day, any day.
#5. If there is a 'gay issue' this is reported to the CO and determination is made at that level.
#6. NO ONE IS THAT STUPID!
So are you telling me that there s not a Gay Pride Day set aside?
No Gay Pride Parade scheduled up and down the deck of the Aircraft Carrier?- How inconsiderate of them.
Boardwatch

UK

#17 Sep 18, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you doing a study on the gay lifestyle? You seem to know a awful lot about whom and what. You have so much damage to create but ask the men and women in the military what they think. Some will tell you yes, they oppose it and others will say, no it doesn't bother them because there are boundaries you just don't cross and the military know that because these are men and women from all over the US with different points of view but all have to live together when they defend their country. These are the men and women who have a real voice so why don't you go mute and listen to what these men and women have to say. They live the lives they are willing to die for!
How do you know we are not in the Military and we are expressing how we feel.....?
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#18 Sep 19, 2011
Boardwatch wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you know we are not in the Military and we are expressing how we feel.....?
Actually I don't but would you take the chance like this KNOWING your command is watching your every move? The military likes to make examples of people and if your in the military, you know that. This is a real fight for the military and many in the 'upper ranks' will find their own way of dealing with this nature. Beware!
Boardwatch

UK

#19 Sep 20, 2011
The Mad Man wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I don't but would you take the chance like this KNOWING your command is watching your every move? The military likes to make examples of people and if your in the military, you know that. This is a real fight for the military and many in the 'upper ranks' will find their own way of dealing with this nature. Beware!
Yes, and those in the Lower ranks will deal with it "Their Own Way" as well.

“WOOF !”

Since: Jul 11

Libertarian

#20 Sep 20, 2011
There have been thousands of gay and lesbian people in teh military for centuries. They were not ALL in the closet.

The ban on gay peple in the military is of recent vintage.

There was a good tv program on PBS called :Sex IN The Civil War". I saw it a few times. According to the program, many gay officers and enlisted were quite open about it, and at that time the military didn't care.

My Uncle Willy was in the U.S. Army in South Korea in 1948 and 1949 (between World War II and The Korean War). He told me that there were 3 openly gay guys in his platoon while he was stationed there. He said to me that everybody knew, and nobody cared.

You can blame that bastrad Clinton for 17 years of DADT and the for the thousands of American men and women unfairly discharged because of it.

As Commander-In-Chief, the responsibility of teh fiasco called DADT is SQUARELY on him.

“WOOF !”

Since: Jul 11

Libertarian

#21 Sep 20, 2011
Speakin of Clinton, the impeachment was so much FUN, we shoudl do it againa nd impeach the Obamaniac.

:)

There's a growing chorus of Democrats, even in Chicago, calling for him to resign or at least not run again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/19/ch...

We could impeach him and get him out in a jiffy !

:)

Throw Stumblebum Joe in there !

NEXT !
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#22 Sep 20, 2011
I just hope the military know the transgender law and what type of fight they are going to have on their hands now. This opens the door for a whole new breed of 'gay rights' as the military think they are afforded. I don't have a problem with gays in the military but it scares me to think of what is next.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#23 Sep 29, 2011
I KNEW THIS WAS COMING...
With homosexuals now able to serve openly in the military, the gay rights movement’s next battleground is to persuade the Obama administration to end the armed forces’ ban on “transgenders,” a group that includes transsexuals and cross-dressers.

“Our position is that the military should re-examine the policy, the medical regulations, so as to allow open service for transgender people,” said Vincent Paolo Villano, spokesman for the 6,000-member Center for Transgender Equality.

The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN), which pushed to end the military’s gay ban, is urging President Obama to sign an executive order prohibiting discrimination based on “gender identity.”

It had wanted the order to happen on Sept. 20, the official date “don’t ask, don’t tell,” as the gay ban was called, ended via repeal legislation signed by Mr. Obama.

SLDN’s goal is contained on a Web page with the headline,“Working toward transgender military service.” The page states that a decision to remove the ban must be made at the Pentagon.“Relationships between transgender organizations, medical associations, and military allies will be crucial for advancing this issue,” it says.
A man who is active-duty in the Navy, and only gave his name as Matt, wears a shirt being signed by others that reads "I survived D.A.D.T." (don't ask, don't tell) shortly before midnight during a celebration for the end of the policy on Sept. 19, 2011, in a bar in San Diego.(Associated Press)A man who is active-duty in the Navy, and only gave his name as Matt, wears a shirt being signed by others that reads “I survived D.A.D.T.”(don’t ask, don’t tell) shortly before midnight during a celebration for the end of the policy on Sept. 19, 2011, in a bar in San Diego.(Associated Press)

“SLDN will continue to urge President Obama to issue an executive order to prohibit discrimination and harassment in the military based upon sexual orientation and gender identity, and we will work closely with our allies to educate and create greater awareness of this inequity,” SLDN spokesman Zeke Stokes said.

“SLDN supports the revision of medical regulations to ensure that transgender Americans may serve.”

SLDN has raised the possibility of filing lawsuits to attain its goals, which include housing and other benefits for the partners of gay military members.

A White House spokesman declined to provide Mr. Obama’s position on transgenders in the military, referring a reporter to the Pentagon.

“Transgender and transsexual individuals are not permitted to join the military services,” said Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez.“The repeal of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ will have no effect on these policies.”

The SLDN says “transgender” is commonly identified as an umbrella term for “transsexuals, cross-dressers, gender-queer people, intersex people, and other gender-variant individuals.”

Transgenders are not banned by law, but rather by a Defense Department instruction,“Medical Standards for Appointment, Enlistment or Induction in the Military Service.”

It lists scores of medical conditions that make one ineligible, including:“Current or history of psychosexual conditions, including but not limited to transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias.”

The instruction was last updated by the Obama administration. Clifford Stanley, undersecretary of defense for personnel and readiness, signed the new 52-page version in April 2010. If the administration did desire to lift the ban, it could have done it then, in theory.

SLDN has set up a website on Change.org for a petition asking Mr. Obama to issue a nondiscrimination order on transgenders.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#24 Sep 29, 2011
WHY oh WHY do we have to put our servicemen and women through this? I don't have a problem with gays in the military and think they should serve understanding that they have a job to do and that this is not a social thing but I KNEW THIS WOULD OPEN THE DOOR!
The gay community is know as...
Gay, Lesbian and Transgender and now we have a new issue on our hands. Transgender people have rights, they are human beings, the only thing that has changed is their sex. How much more is the military going to be subject to? The military is about soldering, not sex changing. Just my opinion, but I saw this coming!

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