Negating Immigration Misconceptions

There are 12 comments on the New University story from Oct 25, 2011, titled Negating Immigration Misconceptions. In it, New University reports that:

Counteracting current misconceptions about the abuse of available resources by undocumented immigrants, UC Irvine anthropologist Leo Chavez's newest study refutes the belief that undocumented immigrants overuse health services due to the lack of medical insurance.

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“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#110 Nov 6, 2011
Memo From Turner wrote:
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So you are sticking with the mustard gas story even though it has not been used against Americans since WW I?
http://www.lhup.edu/smarvel/Seminar/FALL_2004...
I'm sticking with the story that my husband and the people at the VA told me and that was that he was exposed to mustard gas while in Korea.
Who would you believe?

"Nations pledged never to use it first--but they nevertheless prepared masks and their own stocks of poison in case they needed to retaliate. Since 1918 gas has occasionally been used in remote areas against civilians or soldiers with no protection."
" (Washington vehemently denies undocumented allegations that it ever used poison gas, nerve gas, or biological weapons in Korea or Vietnam or anywhere else.)"
http://www.conservapedia.com/Poison_gas
Juan

Pearland, TX

#111 Nov 6, 2011
And we all thought "Chief Scratch Ya Balls" live in a teepee.
Memo From Turner

Passaic, NJ

#112 Nov 6, 2011
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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I'm sticking with the story that my husband and the people at the VA told me and that was that he was exposed to mustard gas while in Korea.
Who would you believe?
"Nations pledged never to use it first--but they nevertheless prepared masks and their own stocks of poison in case they needed to retaliate. Since 1918 gas has occasionally been used in remote areas against civilians or soldiers with no protection."
" (Washington vehemently denies undocumented allegations that it ever used poison gas, nerve gas, or biological weapons in Korea or Vietnam or anywhere else.)"
http://www.conservapedia.com/Poison_gas
I lived in Korea for years and still own a business and home there. The Korean people will never miss an opportunity to point out the atrocities of the North Koreans and Chinese during the war. They have never mentioned chemical warfare.

I have read about the undocumented allegations against the Americans, but have never seen anything to back it up. I certainly hope it was not true, but even if it was I doubt we would have used it on their own troops.
annie

Naperville, IL

#113 Nov 6, 2011
Memo From Turner wrote:
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Twink, clearly he meant they require medical attention less on a per capita basis. Since the majority of undocumented people are twenty somethings it is obvious that they would use medical services less than the general population.
Not the way they reproduce. If his numbers are right we are paying 28% for illegals who always report their status accurately.(JOKE) Even 1% is too much when I have no choice in how my tax dollars are spent, 72% of the population is against illegal immigration, and they depress wages. Did he actually believe they would report honestly when they are illegal. Their lack of refusing to come here legally gives us no idea how big the problem is. Did he report the cost of childbirth to the illegal mother's maternity care or the anchor babies status as an American citizen. Does 28% make it ok? There is no free lunch, if they go to free clinics, who do you think pays. Let's not forget the cost of child wellness care for their illegal children and anchor babies when they start school and the free innoculations they receive so they don't infect our children.
annie

Naperville, IL

#114 Nov 6, 2011
Juan wrote:
You can't let them die on the hospital steps. They have to help someone who is sick or we can sue the hospital.
Triage them. Treat the real emergencies and send the rest home.

Those on the hospital steps were probably injured by illegals anyway
annie

Naperville, IL

#115 Nov 6, 2011
Juan wrote:
Many make up the fact about undocumented workers using emergency rooms........it's all just a way to hate.
Invading our country and breaking our laws is reason enough

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#116 Nov 6, 2011
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
I lived in Korea for years and still own a business and home there. The Korean people will never miss an opportunity to point out the atrocities of the North Koreans and Chinese during the war. They have never mentioned chemical warfare.
I have read about the undocumented allegations against the Americans, but have never seen anything to back it up. I certainly hope it was not true, but even if it was I doubt we would have used it on their own troops.
Turner, I can only tell you what my husband told me and what the VA said after all the tests on his lungs. He had to be on oxygen the final 4 years of his life. He thought at first that being a plumber and millwright were the cause but he was told that his issues were more indicative of mustard gas exposure.
Our government has experimented for years with our troops including their little LSD fiasco.
7 years ago, I could go on line and using my husbands information, find his military records to download until it reached 99%(which took about 35 minutes to download) and then I would get a message that he was not authorized to access the information. If he was not authorized, who was?
No one will ever convince me that our government only kept those records in one place, they are somewhere on microfiche. After his death, I applied for a military widows pension but was turned down because of his missing records. The interesting thing was that the woman at the VA office who was helping me with the paperwork told me that they had found more of those records that they thought had burned in 1973 and that she believed my husbands was among them.
Funny thing about that, when I went back the following month, she was no longer working there, they said she retired. She was no where near retirement age. When I asked about the newly recovered (30 years later) records, I was told that they never found anything.
3 years ago, I had a gentleman who was on military disability who was helping me to get more information on my husbands records. He was reactivated after 19 years and sent out of state.
If you trust our corrupt government or any of our politicians no matter what party, then I feel very sad for you.
Memo From Turner

Passaic, NJ

#117 Nov 6, 2011
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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Turner, I can only tell you what my husband told me and what the VA said after all the tests on his lungs. He had to be on oxygen the final 4 years of his life. He thought at first that being a plumber and millwright were the cause but he was told that his issues were more indicative of mustard gas exposure.
Our government has experimented for years with our troops including their little LSD fiasco.
7 years ago, I could go on line and using my husbands information, find his military records to download until it reached 99%(which took about 35 minutes to download) and then I would get a message that he was not authorized to access the information. If he was not authorized, who was?
No one will ever convince me that our government only kept those records in one place, they are somewhere on microfiche. After his death, I applied for a military widows pension but was turned down because of his missing records. The interesting thing was that the woman at the VA office who was helping me with the paperwork told me that they had found more of those records that they thought had burned in 1973 and that she believed my husbands was among them.
Funny thing about that, when I went back the following month, she was no longer working there, they said she retired. She was no where near retirement age. When I asked about the newly recovered (30 years later) records, I was told that they never found anything.
3 years ago, I had a gentleman who was on military disability who was helping me to get more information on my husbands records. He was reactivated after 19 years and sent out of state.
If you trust our corrupt government or any of our politicians no matter what party, then I feel very sad for you.
So you are the only one in the world that knows about this and everybody you talk to "disappears". Sounds like Area 51 stuff.

It is not a matter of trusting our government. There were 26 different countries that were involved in the Korean War including the Soviet Union and China. Don't you think one of them would have mentioned it if we used chemical weapons? Don't you think the people of Korea would know?

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#118 Nov 6, 2011
Memo From Turner wrote:
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So you are the only one in the world that knows about this and everybody you talk to "disappears". Sounds like Area 51 stuff.
It is not a matter of trusting our government. There were 26 different countries that were involved in the Korean War including the Soviet Union and China. Don't you think one of them would have mentioned it if we used chemical weapons? Don't you think the people of Korea would know?
If the incidents of chemical weapon usage were isolated, there may not be people living today who know about it. I have no reason to lie about what I was told or about the two people who were helping me no longer being available to help.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I am just a person who has been affected by the corruption in our government.
I do know there was an article written several years ago about one of the Korean veterans whose military records supposedly burned in 1973. He was being told by the personnel at the VA that he could get no help because his records had burned and while the man was telling him that, some of his records fell out of the folder. The man got the help he was entitled to.
How long did our government deny that agent orange had an effect on our military personnel? A friend of ours who was exposed in Viet Nam had a brain tumor. He fought them for several years and finally got a settlement about 3 months prior to his death in 1991.
I believe our government will deny and cover up any issue that will cause them to have to pay our military men what they are entitled to.

Here are some articles I found about the records:

Duplicates of Lost Files Found in Veteran Cases
AP
Published: June 24, 1988

The Veterans Administration today announced the discovery of 10 million military medical records that duplicate some lost in a 1973 fire and said it would review disability claims that were rejected because of the lost files.

Thomas K. Turnage, administrator of the agency, called the development ''very important'' but said that because the agency had become aware of the records only last week officials had not yet determined how many people would be affected.

''It opens up new vistas for us,'' Mr. Turnage said.''People who before had difficulty establishing a basis for their disability compensation, or the degree of it'' may end up with different ruling, he said. Duplicates From 1940's and 1950's

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/24/us/duplicat...
Memo From Turner

Passaic, NJ

#119 Nov 6, 2011
NON COMPLACENT TWINK wrote:
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If the incidents of chemical weapon usage were isolated, there may not be people living today who know about it. I have no reason to lie about what I was told or about the two people who were helping me no longer being available to help.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I am just a person who has been affected by the corruption in our government.
I do know there was an article written several years ago about one of the Korean veterans whose military records supposedly burned in 1973. He was being told by the personnel at the VA that he could get no help because his records had burned and while the man was telling him that, some of his records fell out of the folder. The man got the help he was entitled to.
How long did our government deny that agent orange had an effect on our military personnel? A friend of ours who was exposed in Viet Nam had a brain tumor. He fought them for several years and finally got a settlement about 3 months prior to his death in 1991.
I believe our government will deny and cover up any issue that will cause them to have to pay our military men what they are entitled to.
Here are some articles I found about the records:
Duplicates of Lost Files Found in Veteran Cases
AP
Published: June 24, 1988
The Veterans Administration today announced the discovery of 10 million military medical records that duplicate some lost in a 1973 fire and said it would review disability claims that were rejected because of the lost files.
Thomas K. Turnage, administrator of the agency, called the development ''very important'' but said that because the agency had become aware of the records only last week officials had not yet determined how many people would be affected.
''It opens up new vistas for us,'' Mr. Turnage said.''People who before had difficulty establishing a basis for their disability compensation, or the degree of it'' may end up with different ruling, he said. Duplicates From 1940's and 1950's
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/24/us/duplicat...
So the following countries that participated in the war and the entire population of Korea all conspired to keep this a secret and make you look bad on Topix. OK.

The "North Korean" side consisted of

Democratic People's Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China
The Soviet Union

The "South Korean" side consisted of

Republic of Korea
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Colombia
Ethiopia
France
Greece
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Philippines
South Africa
Thailand
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States

Naval Support and Military Servicing/Repairs:

Japan

Medical staff:

Denmark
Italy
Norway
India
Sweden

“THE RUMBLE WILL BECOME A ROAR”

Since: Dec 06

United States of America

#120 Nov 6, 2011
Memo From Turner wrote:
<quoted text>
So the following countries that participated in the war and the entire population of Korea all conspired to keep this a secret and make you look bad on Topix. OK.
The "North Korean" side consisted of
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
People's Republic of China
The Soviet Union
The "South Korean" side consisted of
Republic of Korea
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Colombia
Ethiopia
France
Greece
Luxembourg
Netherlands
New Zealand
Philippines
South Africa
Thailand
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States
Naval Support and Military Servicing/Repairs:
Japan
Medical staff:
Denmark
Italy
Norway
India
Sweden
Turner, believe anything you want to believe. I spent years fighting with the VA, I'm not going to waste my time fighting with you.
ChicagoAmerican

Riverview, MI

#121 Nov 7, 2011
Memo From Turner wrote:
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That whole hospital closing thing is a hoax and has been debunked so many times I can't believe you are still peddling it. The hoax usually goes that the hospitals had to close due to a flood of illegal immigrants in the emergency room. Ironically 20 of the 60 hospitals that closed never had emergency rooms. So much for that theory.
More than half of the closed hospitals had fewer than 100 licensed beds. Ten of the closed hospitals had changed ownership within three years prior to their closure.
The smaller hospitals were largely victims of low utilization. Insurance companies push people of of the hospital quickly and this reduces the rate of reimbursement per bed significantly.
Tenet Healthcare Corp. purchased and closed eight hospitals during this time and Catholic Healthcare West bought and closed three hospitals. This is just business consolidation. If the hospitals were that far in debt nobody would have bought them.
Everybody who goes to a hospital receives a bill most people pay the bills and some do not. To suggest that undocumented people pay their bills at a lower rate than anybody else seems to be unfounded since nobody can provide any evidence to back this up.
Furthermore since undocumented people make up about 3% of the population and they use emergency rooms at a rate that is less than half that of uninsured citizens it is a pretty big stretch blame them.
Attached is a report from the California government that addresses the reasons for the closures in great detail. Nowhere in this report does in mention undocumented people.
http://ag.ca.gov/charities/publications/nonpr...
By the way, during this same time period fifty new hospitals opened in California.
Wow, you mex are good! You can backpedal and bull$hit at the same time! You can never 'debunk' the truth however, no matter how hard you try.

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