Gays Should Understand the Religious, and Vice Versa

Jul 14, 2008 | Posted by: GDT919 | Full story: www.christianpost.com

' The issue of same-sex "marriage" provokes strong emotions and actions on both sides of the debate with little common ground seemingly to be found.

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<quoted text>I am sure when you read or see a thief steal, you say "that's wrong", why? Because it is wrong. So, me and countless others say homosexuality "is wrong", why? Because it is wrong. You just don't like it when someone calls what you think is right, wrong. So what do you do, whine.
In most cases I'd agree stealing is wrong,but nothing is that cut and dry. Would you steal to feed your family?

Stealing take something away from the person that worked to get it. Someone being a homosexual does not take anything away from you.

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<quoted text>I am sure when you read or see a thief steal, you say "that's wrong", why? Because it is wrong. So, me and countless others say homosexuality "is wrong", why? Because it is wrong. You just don't like it when someone calls what you think is right, wrong. So what do you do, whine.
And how exactly is homosexuality "wrong"? Their is NOTHING which harms anyone when it comes to being gay. Theft involves stealing property from someone else, adultery involved cheating on a spouse, lying involved being dishonest to someone. Every sin a man commits (besides the 1st 4 Commandments) has a "wrong", a harm it does to another, yet you can not point out one single aspect of homosexuality which harms another.

You're a bigot plain and simple.

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BT, I've always believed that born eunuchs were those born with sexual deformities, not homosexuals. Is this your belief, as well.
Funny how you want to ignore historical facts in order to "believe" what you want.

You know, I believe the sky used to be orange...
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<quoted text>I am sure when you read or see a thief steal, you say "that's wrong", why? Because it is wrong. So, me and countless others say homosexuality "is wrong", why? Because it is wrong. You just don't like it when someone calls what you think is right, wrong. So what do you do, whine.
He also pouts, stamps his feet, and starts namecalling. I've been dealing with McHate for a year now. He's like a spoiled little boy...or girl. Sad, isn't it, what the gay life can do to you.

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He also pouts, stamps his feet, and starts namecalling. I've been dealing with McHate for a year now. He's like a spoiled little boy...or girl. Sad, isn't it, what the gay life can do to you.
Yeah, it's really sad how it makes one coward in a closet causing one to spout out as much homophobia as possible in order to feel more straight.

btw, yeah I do get pissed how NO ONE from your side either uses facts or actually discusses what the original text states.

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Funny how you want to ignore historical facts in order to "believe" what you want.
You know, I believe the sky used to be orange...
What historical points am I ignoring??
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He also pouts, stamps his feet, and starts namecalling. I've been dealing with McHate for a year now. He's like a spoiled little boy...or girl. Sad, isn't it, what the gay life can do to you.
So what you're really saying is you can't refute the truth McMike brings to this forum, so you're going to engage in personal attacks and cyber bullying in a shameful attempt to silence the truth? Well, please keep showing people what your religion does to you.

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Yeah, it's really sad how it makes one coward in a closet causing one to spout out as much homophobia as possible in order to feel more straight.
btw, yeah I do get pissed how NO ONE from your side either uses facts or actually discusses what the original text states.
What do these original texts state that's different from what is being taught now?? Have you seen these texts, or just what is on-line?? I can't speak for everyone else, but I imagine they feel the same, I have no desire to be right to win an argument, I want to be right by what God says. Not many people are going to trust their religious views to what they can find on-line, I hope not anyway. Where are you getting what you consider to be fact??
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The Virgin Queen wrote:
[...] the gay community [their] ultimate desire is to chip away at religious freedom unless religious communities cease condemning the homosexual lifestyle.
No, gay-hating Christians are free to show all other Americans how ugly and hateful and hurtful their "beliefs" are. They're entitled to make fear and hatred of their fellow Americans the sole focus of their "church," but they will have to accept this homophobia is responsible for Americans turning away from their "church."
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Yes, Christians embrace persecution. But we also fight back.
"Fight back"? It would be more accurate to say some Christians committed criminal activities in order to force their "beliefs" on other Americans and deprive us of OUR right to Freedom Of Religion.

The federal trial of the 2008 California H8te Vote has produced damning, incontrovertible evidence Catholics and Mormons committed criminal collusion when they agreed in writing to hide their participation in the H8te Vote and keep their cash and in-kind contributions to the gay-haters who ran the campaign. The California Fair Political Practices Commission is investigating because the gay-haters can't prove they paid for much of their campaign materials. Secret, illegal call centers were operated in Idaho and Utah, from which deceptive calls were made, which we know because millions of Californians--more than the tiny plurality by which the H8te Vote squeaked by--reported getting these deceptive calls. Authorities in Maine and Washington State are investigating the same perpetrators.

The first hate votes were cooked up by Karl Rove as a GOP Dirty Trick to get his boss elected. Bush in turn ordered the IRS not to enforce 503c Charitable Corporation rules against the cheater churches that violated the law by misusing charitable funds to push the hate votes.

You didn't really want to remind other readers here how when right-wing Christians will lie and cheat and break the law to throw elections.
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...keep secret their cash and in-kind contributions...

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So what you're really saying is you can't refute the truth McMike brings to this forum, so you're going to engage in personal attacks and cyber bullying in a shameful attempt to silence the truth? Well, please keep showing people what your religion does to you.
VQ is a cyber bully?? I'm sorry but I must be missing something. Presenting the truth, as you see it does not equal bullying. If you have proof for this "truth" that you say he's trying to silence, please present it. Just saying that it exists doesn't work to change people's beliefs, they must be proven wrong. I have no beef with you, and don't mean disrespect but I keep seeing people talk about proof and truth, but I have yet to see proof of it.
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<quoted text>I am sure when you read or see a thief steal, you say "that's wrong", why? Because it is wrong. So, me and countless others say homosexuality "is wrong", why? Because it is wrong. You just don't like it when someone calls what you think is right, wrong. So what do you do, whine.
do you have the movie "the ten commandants" theme music playing loud in the background wearing a white robe when you're replying to everyone here?
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VQ is a cyber bully?? I'm sorry but I must be missing something.[...]
"He also pouts, stamps his feet, and starts namecalling. I've been dealing with McHate for a year now. He's like a spoiled little boy...or girl. Sad, isn't it, what the gay life can do to you. "

"I think it's classic that someone speaks about protecting the rights of Christians and you start crying "homophobia" and "persecuted gays". You're like a Whiny bot. "

And, of course, here's the one where VQ commits cyber bullying by suggesting another poster should ignore McMike:

"Bible Teacher, McHate is one of the biggest bigots in this forum. He just thinks his bigotry is so much better when wrapped in the flag of "Gay Victimization". "

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What historical points am I ignoring??
Hmmm, which one would you like me to point out for you? For this case the fact is "pais" was a Greek term used to describe the younger male lover in a homosexual relationship.

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What do these original texts state that's different from what is being taught now?? Have you seen these texts, or just what is on-line?? I can't speak for everyone else, but I imagine they feel the same, I have no desire to be right to win an argument, I want to be right by what God says. Not many people are going to trust their religious views to what they can find on-line, I hope not anyway. Where are you getting what you consider to be fact??
Here we go again with you avoiding discussing facts at all.

FACT: Paul did NOT use the Greek term for "sex between men" but said "soft" and "male bed".

FACT: Romans is a letter condemning Pagan idolatry and female and male temple prostitution is condemned numerous times in the Bible.

FACT: The only instance of homosexuality in S&G is attempted rape.

FACT: Corinthians, less than a hundred years ago, condemned masturbation instead of homosexuality.

FACT: The Hebrew term for "bed" has vanished in modern translations of the two scriptures from Leviticus used to condemn homosexuals so, in fact, both scriptures (when translated properly) state "on a woman's bed".

--- Would you like me to keep on with the facts or are you just going to ignore them as usual?

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So what you're really saying is you can't refute the truth McMike brings to this forum, so you're going to engage in personal attacks and cyber bullying in a shameful attempt to silence the truth? Well, please keep showing people what your religion does to you.
I think we're all used, by now, with homophobes avoiding discussing anything factual nor verifiable.

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VQ is a cyber bully?? I'm sorry but I must be missing something. Presenting the truth, as you see it does not equal bullying. If you have proof for this "truth" that you say he's trying to silence, please present it. Just saying that it exists doesn't work to change people's beliefs, they must be proven wrong. I have no beef with you, and don't mean disrespect but I keep seeing people talk about proof and truth, but I have yet to see proof of it.
That says it all since no one from your side offers anything truthful nor any proof.

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Here we go again with you avoiding discussing facts at all.
FACT: Paul did NOT use the Greek term for "sex between men" but said "soft" and "male bed".
FACT: Romans is a letter condemning Pagan idolatry and female and male temple prostitution is condemned numerous times in the Bible.
FACT: The only instance of homosexuality in S&G is attempted rape.
FACT: Corinthians, less than a hundred years ago, condemned masturbation instead of homosexuality.
FACT: The Hebrew term for "bed" has vanished in modern translations of the two scriptures from Leviticus used to condemn homosexuals so, in fact, both scriptures (when translated properly) state "on a woman's bed".
--- Would you like me to keep on with the facts or are you just going to ignore them as usual?
I'm not ignoring, or avoiding discussion of anything. I simply didn't know what facts you were talking about. Now I know what you're talking about and will check it out from your perspective.
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BT, I've always believed that born eunuchs were those born with sexual deformities, not homosexuals. Is this your belief, as well.
I never thought of it that way, a sexual deformity? It certainly has nothing to do with homosexuality. Here is a commentary...
c. For there are eunuchs who were born thus: The term eunuch was used figuratively for those who voluntarily abstain for marriage. Jesus doesn't necessarily mean biological eunuchs, though He certainly includes them among those who abstain from marriage.
Another commentary....
which were so born from their mother's womb;
meaning, not such who, through a natural temper and inclination of mind, could easily abstain from marriage, and chose to live single; but such who had such defects in nature that they were impotent, unfit for, and unable to perform the duties of a marriage state; who, as some are born without hands or feet, these were born without proper and perfect organs of generation; and such an one was, by the Jews, frequently called,(hmh oyro), "an eunuch of the sun F14": that is, as their doctors F15 explain it, one that from his mother's womb never saw the sun but as an eunuch; that is, one that is born so; and that such an one is here intended, ought not to be doubted. The signs of such an eunuch, are given by the Jewish F16 writers, which may be consulted by those, that have ability and leisure. This sort is sometimes F17 called (Mymv ydyb oyro) "an eunuch by the hands of heaven", or God, in distinction from those who are so by the hands, or means of men, and are next mentioned:

When in doubt just google bible commentaries. You are right on the born eunuchs.
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McMike wrote:
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And how exactly is homosexuality "wrong"? Their is NOTHING which harms anyone when it comes to being gay. Theft involves stealing property from someone else, adultery involved cheating on a spouse, lying involved being dishonest to someone. Every sin a man commits (besides the 1st 4 Commandments) has a "wrong", a harm it does to another, yet you can not point out one single aspect of homosexuality which harms another.
You're a bigot plain and simple.
Ever heard of AIDS? Very harmful. I have seen a my mom's friend die from AIDS because he lived and practiced a homo lifestyle, I was 7 yrs old when I saw him very sick, I'll never forget that sick dying young man, it was truly sad.

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