Drug Detox and Rehab May Finally Replace Methadone for Heroin Addicts

Jul 12, 2008 | Posted by: mike1975 | Full story: ezineseeker.com

Methadone treatment is finally being recognized as the abject failure that it is.

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Wow.

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Jul 12, 2008
 
I read through this article earlier today and what they have to say is NOT good, but thought again about posting to it to save an arguement with 'some folks'....I was figuring that those who currently take methadone was just going to argue that this is motivated by money since it is put out by the rehab center.

But, I agreed with it nonetheless.

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It's about time some truth was told. It's just unbelievable how many disregard the TRUTH when it comes to methadone. Motivated by money that's what methadone is by big pharama. At least some truth is being told!!!!

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sliverone wrote:
I read through this article earlier today and what they have to say is NOT good, but thought again about posting to it to save an arguement with 'some folks'....I was figuring that those who currently take methadone was just going to argue that this is motivated by money since it is put out by the rehab center.
But, I agreed with it nonetheless.
I agree. It will be shot down because of the source, but that's the same way I feel about alot of things put out today as well. So if I can do it, so can anyone else. I share alot of the same views as the person who wrote it, even if it is promoting something for which the person is involved. As do some people when posting what I call propaganda. So what's good for the goose,...

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Let's just keep our fingers crossed and hope this will become true. Our mental health reform has been a flop anyway.

Ban Methadone
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You idiots! Yeah ban methadone for legal meth maintinance patients so they hafta go back to heroin and pills...Your the same IGNORANT fools who Marijuana makes teens go out on murdurous rampages raping and pillaging after they smoke a joint!Also the morons who think its safer to take 20 diff LEGAL RX,ANYONE who watches tv sees the commercials for there various rxdrugs for things like arthritis and osteoperosis and the list goes on of these drugs with HORRIBLE die effects...like stomach bleedin and ulcers,lympoma(which my mom died from) strokes heart attacks and DEATH yes DEATh Ive seen that as a side effect from many legal rxdrugs U FOOLS,Uv all been brainwashed! Its ussually the ones who never experimented with any drug,have NO KNOWLEDGE whatsoever about any drug legal or otherwise...the pharma comps the docters Its in all there best interest that people continue taking there horrible rx meds! Its already been proven that Marijuana has NUMEROUS medicinal uses for 1...2. There are ZERO o.d death a year from marijuana use or abuse...Its 100% safer that ALCHOHOL OR CIGS...hundreds of thousands of people in this country die every year from those 2 combined...GUESS WUT MORONS? There is also ZERO deaths a year of anykind becuz of this plant that GOD yeah GOD put it on this earth to be enjoyed...AS IS,u grow it and use it NOTHING ADDED its just a PLANT IDIOTS! Im not even gonna begin the methadone argument it would take all day...and theres no changing ignorant people close minds! You should ALL be ashamed!
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Its the jerkoffs who abuse the methadone who ruin it for the ones who use it strictly as medicine thich DOESNT even produce a high anything like heroin or OXYCONTIN,VICs,PERCS...which are wut people get addicted to in the first place. Its a right to be able to take this medication so I dont have to be in the hospital from withdrawel...This is just us LOSING more of our constitutional rights,while that american hating presidential nominee who wants to give OUR constitutional rights to the poor terror suspects in gitmo and anywhere else! If u bleeding heart liberals knew ANYTHING about the history of "DRUGS" and drug laws in this country even close minds like yours would be blown away with the hypocrisy...Unfortunatly Yall are brainwashed puppets! Yall gonna be singin a diff tune when U find yourselves under a communist regiem!

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You idiots! Yeah ban methadone for legal meth maintinance patients so they hafta go back to heroin and pills...Your the same IGNORANT fools who Marijuana makes teens go out on murdurous rampages raping and pillaging after they smoke a joint!Also the morons who think its safer to take 20 diff LEGAL RX,ANYONE who watches tv sees the commercials for there various rxdrugs for things like arthritis and osteoperosis and the list goes on of these drugs with HORRIBLE die effects...like stomach bleedin and ulcers,lympoma(which my mom died from) strokes heart attacks and DEATH yes DEATh Ive seen that as a side effect from many legal rxdrugs U FOOLS,Uv all been brainwashed! Its ussually the ones who never experimented with any drug,have NO KNOWLEDGE whatsoever about any drug legal or otherwise...the pharma comps the docters Its in all there best interest that people continue taking there horrible rx meds! Its already been proven that Marijuana has NUMEROUS medicinal uses for 1...2. There are ZERO o.d death a year from marijuana use or abuse...Its 100% safer that ALCHOHOL OR CIGS...hundreds of thousands of people in this country die every year from those 2 combined...GUESS WUT MORONS? There is also ZERO deaths a year of anykind becuz of this plant that GOD yeah GOD put it on this earth to be enjoyed...AS IS,u grow it and use it NOTHING ADDED its just a PLANT IDIOTS! Im not even gonna begin the methadone argument it would take all day...and theres no changing ignorant people close minds! You should ALL be ashamed!
Calm down there Dave.

Thank you for your input and opinion...if you lost a child to this drug, tell me please, how would you think you would feel then? Although how one 'thinks' they would feel can never be close to how it actually is when it happens.

Methadone kills....

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Dave wrote:
Its the jerkoffs who abuse the methadone who ruin it for the ones who use it strictly as medicine thich DOESNT even produce a high anything like heroin or OXYCONTIN,VICs,PERCS...which are wut people get addicted to in the first place. Its a right to be able to take this medication so I dont have to be in the hospital from withdrawel...This is just us LOSING more of our constitutional rights,while that american hating presidential nominee who wants to give OUR constitutional rights to the poor terror suspects in gitmo and anywhere else! If u bleeding heart liberals knew ANYTHING about the history of "DRUGS" and drug laws in this country even close minds like yours would be blown away with the hypocrisy...Unfortunatly Yall are brainwashed puppets! Yall gonna be singin a diff tune when U find yourselves under a communist regiem!
Oh my goodness...did you stray here from a pro-methadone site? You sure sound like all those brainwashed puppets.

If I had my way, all methadonians would be screaming for something else because that lethal drug would be G O N E!!
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Ya know wut buddy..Its all relative! See ur ignorant comment proves my point...EVEYTHING can be lethal smartass...U can die from water poisning..people lose family to drugs every day but they all dont blame "methadone" guess wut...maybe if the parents or schools would educate there children about drugs it wouldnt happen as much! So lets ban EVERYHITNG whats harmfull for a person HUH? Guess what U arnt gonna win this debate my friend...Ive lost friends and fam to drugs..Drugs and alchoholism runs in my fam...plus Im currently on methadone maintnence and ya know what? The pros to being on it FAR OUTWEIGHS the cons...as for it bieng LETHAL...utter nonsense like i sadi everything can be lethal genius,cars planes ,cigs alch,fast food and the list goes on...A scapegoat ,thats all you and people like u look for,ignore the real problem thats all your doing. I know wut im talking about,I was a rebelious teen I experimented with pot and lasd as a teen and that was it...that completley bunk theory about pot bieng a "gateway drug" is a whole other thing..but yeah ITS BULLSHIT! If theres any gateway drug its Cigs and or Alchahol PERIOD! So back to the meth...there a big enuff problem with the other "METH" of the crytal kind,How bout puttin all your missplaced energy into the VERY LETHAL drugs,how bout that,and leave the peeps who use Methadone responsibly the hell ALONE! Like I said it SHOULD be my right to ingest any substance I want,and if Methadone maintnance was banned the hundreds of thousands of ADULTS who would be forced to ingest the truly lethal subs. theres thousands of people like myself who need methadone to feel "NORMAL" not HIGH...I wont bother tryin to explain the differance to someone like you bur theres a HUGE difference...Truth is banning it would cause WAAAYYY more problems that wut it is now! Another thing,Ive knows MANY MANY prople including close friends who have DIED from Herion methadone and or Alchohol withdrawel,yup thats write people...Alchoholis in the long run is the DEADLIEST substance ABUSED in this county after Crystal meth...Physically,mentally and in every other way there is! As horrible as it is death from a H overdose,U fall asleep and dont wake up...Alchohol after YEARS of abuse,COMPLETLY destroy the body...Im sure I dont need to list all the ways its worse...Point being,ITS PERFECTLY LEGAL...HYPOCRISY,Same for Cigs...Its proven to be deadly...Regular long term methadone USE ISNT...Except if abused or tooken for the wrong purpose...Ever heard of "Personal responsibilty"? doesnt sound like ya do...You are one very miss informed individual thats for dam sure...U can spew all the Garb u want the fact is UR WRONG! ;-)
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Why dont U get the figures on the number of "METHADONE MAINTNANCE" patients have DIED from Meth GENIUS!
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Man,another thing...the ONLY things that will come out of outlawing Methadone clinics,Is a bunch of sich people going back to breaking the law,having to get something to stop the AGANOZING pain of withdrawel,ya know what...If U had the first clue about how methadone withdrawel is,its one of the cons,but thnx to methadone I dont have to feel that horrible feeling again,and Its very easy form someone to get suicidal,cus the whole experiance is worse than death itself,And it SURE AS HELL isnt YOUR or ANYONE elses place to try to take my medicine away...WHO THE HELL DO U THINK U R...REALLY? Its EXACTLY like taking someone asthma pump during an attack or heart pills from someone with a heart condition! Untill they actually come up with an actual treatment for getting off methadone besides a $7000 dollar brain surgury to clean off the brain receptors,which doesnt even work for Meth cuz it gets to deep into your system. However its ANYONES choice to decide to ween off methadone I been doin that for a while however very slowly im not gonna rush to get off it just to end up back on something else...You need to really understand addiction to get it,and its so apparent that you have no idea about the DISEASE of addiction...Sounds like U have no idea about anything at all!
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Yeah and sorry but "quoting" what I say and reposting it above your comment doesnt change the fact that I know wut im talking about U havnt dissproved ANYTHING...lol
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The real shame here is that YOU have no clue that taking meth away from people who need it or making it COMPLETY AGAINT THE LAW for that matter IS NOT GOIN TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF TEENS OR ANYONE WHO ABUSES IT OR DIES FROM IT! Are u really that dense that U dont understand that. All its gonna do Einstein is creat a bigger black market and if anything MORE kids will be introduced to it and will end up trying it for the simple fact that its more appealing to them cuz its rebellion if its illegal and its even more enticing that way! Your lack of common sense is utterly astounding!

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My oh my Dave, you sure are quite angry. Perhaps you maybe should work on that before trying to hold a logical debate on a public forum?

No need for my quoting statistics, sadly you are typical of a methadone user and will only keep a chaotic tail chasing going. The only thing that matters is yourself...addiction does that to people. So sad indeed.

METHADONE KILLS
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Yeah ignorant fools like u make me very angry and I just OWNED you in this public forum you have nothing to come back with but JUDGEMENT nd You dont know me from Adam numbnuts...I became an addict after my mother died from cancer,before that I was a straight edge bodybuilder and Training m.m.a...Believe me You dont know ANYTHING about me except wut i told u...U obviously have NOTHING to back up your argument which is why your'e spouting garbage. And making personall judgements cuz that what U and people like u do when there losing a debate! If u were in front of me you CERTAINLY wouldnt talk that smack thats for sure! You are just a no one from nowhere Ohio. Like I said,This meth addicted guy just CRUSHED your'e "holier than thou" backwards close minded logic DOWN,Dont 4get it...U LOSE!Dont bother replying U have nothing constructive to say and Ur CLUELESS,but u must already know that! I dont even need to know U to know Ive done more and been through more shit in my life than U could ever do in 3 of yours...and im only 29 ;-)
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P.S...This is a battle of wits and ur clearly UNARMED! So dont say anything I wont be here...Lastly it doesnt matter cuz that bullshit ban will never happen! ;-)

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I don't argue with ppl such as yourself which are a dime a dozen here on topix.

I wouldn't WANT to know you in real life and have no desire to argue with you on any level.

Go take another dose and STFU!

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****TAKEN FROM CDC SITE****

The number of all poisoning deaths increased 54 percent to 30,308 over the 1999-2004 period, while the number of poisoning deaths mentioning methadone increased 390 percent to 3,849 (Figure 1). Poisoning deaths mentioning methadone increased from 4 percent of all poisoning deaths to 13 percent of all poisoning deaths. Most recently, all poisoning deaths increased 6 percent from 2003-04, while those mentioning methadone increased 29 percent.

Of all narcotics (ICD-10 T40.0-T40.9) mentioned in poisoning deaths, methadone had the largest relative increases. The absolute number of poisoning deaths mentioning methadone was less, however, than the number of deaths mentioning cocaine (ICD-10 T40.5) or other opioids (T40.2). Other opioids include pain relief drugs such as oxycodone and hydrocodone among others (Table 2). The relative increase in methadone-related poisoning deaths from 1999 to 2004 was greater than for any individual substance in the T36-T65 range of codes (data available upon request).

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