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“Out to ban methadone”

Since: Jun 08

Winston Salem, NC

#1 Jul 14, 2008
Four months is a joke. Just another drugged driver on methadone, I guess they will wait until she actually takes someone's life before they do anything as she continues her daily trek to the methadone clinic.

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Pro MMT

United States

#2 Jul 20, 2008
Get a life wacko!! Methadone clinics have been around a long time and they are not going anywhere. New ones opens all the time but rarely do you hear of them closing down.
Get over it..find a new hobby. Leave methadone and it's patients alone.
ilovelife32

Dayton, OH

#3 Jul 20, 2008
Pro MMT wrote:
Get a life wacko!! Methadone clinics have been around a long time and they are not going anywhere. New ones opens all the time but rarely do you hear of them closing down.
Get over it..find a new hobby. Leave methadone and it's patients alone.
Well said. She lost her son to Methadone so she is hell bent on banning the drug she thinks is the reason for her sons death.

“Out to ban methadone”

Since: Jun 08

Winston Salem, NC

#4 Jul 20, 2008
ilovelife32 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said. She lost her son to Methadone so she is hell bent on banning the drug she thinks is the reason for her sons death.
D--- Skippy, I am.

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“Out to ban methadone”

Since: Jun 08

Winston Salem, NC

#5 Jul 20, 2008
Pro MMT wrote:
Get a life wacko!! Methadone clinics have been around a long time and they are not going anywhere. New ones opens all the time but rarely do you hear of them closing down.
Get over it..find a new hobby. Leave methadone and it's patients alone.
Get off the drugs methadonian, your mind may become clearer.

Ban Methadone

Since: Jun 08

Wolfeboro, NH

#6 Jul 20, 2008
ilovelife32 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said. She lost her son to Methadone so she is hell bent on banning the drug she thinks is the reason for her sons death.
theRgirl, you are sooooooooooooooo sad, with a husband who knows all, can't you at least chamge your ISP????

Since: Jun 08

Wolfeboro, NH

#7 Jul 20, 2008
Pro MMT wrote:
Get a life wacko!! Methadone clinics have been around a long time and they are not going anywhere. New ones opens all the time but rarely do you hear of them closing down.
Get over it..find a new hobby. Leave methadone and it's patients alone.
Get a new hobby, leave anti methadone posters alone. HAHA.

“METHADONE=DEATHA DONE”

Since: Feb 08

Portsmouth

#8 Jul 20, 2008
Pro MMT wrote:
Get a life wacko!! Methadone clinics have been around a long time and they are not going anywhere. New ones opens all the time but rarely do you hear of them closing down.
Get over it..find a new hobby. Leave methadone and it's patients alone.
In your dreams there pal....in a matter of time they will be just a mem-or-y :-)

“METHADONE=DEATHA DONE”

Since: Feb 08

Portsmouth

#9 Jul 20, 2008
ilovelife32 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said. She lost her son to Methadone so she is hell bent on banning the drug she thinks is the reason for her sons death.
NO ONE THINKS methadone killed our sons, WE KNOW it did!

Better be careful there, if you love life so much, you best get off the mdone before it takes your life...
Gle

Knoxville, TN

#10 Jul 21, 2008
Can you not understand that METHADONE did not kill your son???

I don't know the story of your son - but it was not METHADONE. It was one or many of a few possible things.

It was possibly MISUSE of methadone.

It was possibly MALPRACTICE by a physician or clinic.

It was possibly NEGLIGENCE by a MMT patient or physician...

Other things ring true, but the bottom line is this - and GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD - when used properly, at appropriate doses, for appropriate reasons, with appropriate patients, and by appropriate doctors/facilities - METHADONE DOES NOT KILL, IT SAVES LIVES.

PERIOD. If it killed your son, something was WRONG in the situation.

Your anger is SO MISPLACED HERE. The idea that you are doing a "good thing" by getting rid of methadone is RIDICULOUS. Destroying the lives of sooo many addicts who have gotten a life back thanks to methadone - that is ALL you will accomplish.

IS that your goal? You WANT to dismantle the well-being of patients using MMT appropriately?

No one will argue with stopping people who abuse methadone, or misprescribe it, etc.

But you are NOT in any way "avenging" or "honoring" your son - you're simply doing MORE damage.

Find a DIFFERENT WAY TO GRIEVE YOUR SON'S DEATH. Do NOT DESTROY OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES with your misplaced vendetta.

I understand you need an outlet for your anger and frustration - but this is a poor choice.
Ban Methadone

Lexington, NC

#11 Jul 21, 2008
Gle, to each his own, when and if you lose a child to methadone, then YOU decide how you want to handle it, until then, I will decide how I want to handle my son's death. Acute Methadone Toxicity was the cause on my son's death certificate. Again, when you have walked in my shoes, YOU decide how YOU want to handle it, until then, mind your own business and before you say anything about addiction, I am a recovering person who will pick up 14 years clean on 11-20-08. You can get and stay clean without a replacement.

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Gle

Knoxville, TN

#12 Jul 21, 2008
Ban Methadone wrote:
Gle, to each his own, when and if you lose a child to methadone, then YOU decide how you want to handle it, until then, I will decide how I want to handle my son's death. Acute Methadone Toxicity was the cause on my son's death certificate. Again, when you have walked in my shoes, YOU decide how YOU want to handle it, until then, mind your own business and before you say anything about addiction, I am a recovering person who will pick up 14 years clean on 11-20-08. You can get and stay clean without a replacement.
Ban Methadone
If this is truly your thought process, that each person should mind their own business and handle things their own way - then for God's sakes, DO THAT. Quit trying to affect the lives of any and all who are RECOVERING and rebuilding their lives on MMT.

I understand you are 14 years clean - that deserves respect and applause.

You do not have the same story as other people - so YOU have been able to get and stay clean without a replacement. Not everyone is at that point, and likely not everyone will REACH that point.
Ban Methadone

Lexington, NC

#13 Jul 21, 2008
Gle wrote:
<quoted text>
If this is truly your thought process, that each person should mind their own business and handle things their own way - then for God's sakes, DO THAT. Quit trying to affect the lives of any and all who are RECOVERING and rebuilding their lives on MMT.
I understand you are 14 years clean - that deserves respect and applause.
You do not have the same story as other people - so YOU have been able to get and stay clean without a replacement. Not everyone is at that point, and likely not everyone will REACH that point.
No that is not my thought process that everyone should mind their own business, that is your perception of my post. If no one wanted to get involved in anything, then nothing would change. How one handles the death of THEIR child is up to them and until you lose one of yours, then and only then, would you know how and what you would do. MADD got alot of flack from the alcohol advocates too but alot of changes have been made. And, the day has now come that changes will be made concerning the methadone deaths and if those changes do not stop this epidemic, then methadone will be off the market. Will it take several years, probably, will there have to be many more thousands that lose their life to this drug, probably but in the end, the deaths must stop.

Ban Methadone
Gle

Knoxville, TN

#14 Jul 21, 2008
Has methadone played a part in deaths? Yes, it has.

How many do you think it has PREVENTED?

“METHADONE=DEATHA DONE”

Since: Feb 08

Portsmouth

#15 Jul 21, 2008
Gle wrote:
Has methadone played a part in deaths? Yes, it has.
How many do you think it has PREVENTED?
There is NO comparison to the lives LOST and there can NOT be any comparison made when it is killing people who are DOING as they are required and STILL dying.

Until you have had to experience what we have you could never possibly understand. The force behind any or all I do is to SAVE lives in the here and now as well as the future. If I am perceived as a bitter wench, so be it, but my son would do no less had my life been cut short by this unpredictable and lethal drug. No one wakes up one day and decides "hmmm, I think I'll take this medication today and go to sleep and never wake up"....it is horrendous and atrocious to say the least. No one give two hoots about the pain we are left with when this happens. Same old advice, telling us to get over it and all that happy horse sh*t is plain stupid, we will NEVER get over it! So, I say get use to it, we aren't going away and this is how we will be until we take our last breath.
Have a good day!

“METHADONE=DEATHA DONE”

Since: Feb 08

Portsmouth

#16 Jul 21, 2008
Gle wrote:
Can you not understand that METHADONE did not kill your son???
I don't know the story of your son - but it was not METHADONE. It was one or many of a few possible things.
It was possibly MISUSE of methadone.
It was possibly MALPRACTICE by a physician or clinic.
It was possibly NEGLIGENCE by a MMT patient or physician...
Other things ring true, but the bottom line is this - and GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD - when used properly, at appropriate doses, for appropriate reasons, with appropriate patients, and by appropriate doctors/facilities - METHADONE DOES NOT KILL, IT SAVES LIVES.
PERIOD. If it killed your son, something was WRONG in the situation.
Your anger is SO MISPLACED HERE. The idea that you are doing a "good thing" by getting rid of methadone is RIDICULOUS. Destroying the lives of sooo many addicts who have gotten a life back thanks to methadone - that is ALL you will accomplish.
IS that your goal? You WANT to dismantle the well-being of patients using MMT appropriately?
No one will argue with stopping people who abuse methadone, or misprescribe it, etc.
But you are NOT in any way "avenging" or "honoring" your son - you're simply doing MORE damage.
Find a DIFFERENT WAY TO GRIEVE YOUR SON'S DEATH. Do NOT DESTROY OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES with your misplaced vendetta.
I understand you need an outlet for your anger and frustration - but this is a poor choice.
Can YOU understand that my son's blood level was .30 and he was opiate naive?
Yes, methadone DID take my son's life...and it most certainly can at any time take anyone's life whether opiate naive or not. It is an unstable drug and needs to be removed from society.
Gle

Knoxville, TN

#17 Jul 21, 2008
Who is it killing who is "doing as required"?

That may happen every once in a while, but it's no more common than other drugs - usual culprits, accidental overdose, allergic reaction, etc.

If people are taking other medications, abusing their medications, falling prey to foolish doctors/staff, lying to the clinic (as happens OFTEN with intakes, they up their dose as fast as humanly possible)... Then the DRUG is not the problem, is it?

I understand that you are the way you are - I am suggesting that your anger and devotion is MISPLACED. You could easily be battling for a much, much better cause. "Banning methadone" is not the answer. If your son died because of the negligence of a doctor or pharmacist, fight for more detailed patient intake rules or documentation or pharmacy unification, etc... If your son died because he upped upped upped his dose, fight to make clinics PROPERLY educate people and regulate dose escalation. If your son died because he was a abused methadone, fight against druge abuse in all its forms - NOT against drug treatment programs.

I don't know your story, but you're more than welcome to tell it - I don't think, though, that there's going to be a situation where your story is going to justify taking this medication off of the market. It simply HAS prevented too many deaths to compare to the lives lost - especially when 95% of the deaths attributed to methadone toxicity are due to self-inflicted overdose or mixing with other medication.
Gle

Knoxville, TN

#18 Jul 21, 2008
sliverone wrote:
<quoted text>
Can YOU understand that my son's blood level was .30 and he was opiate naive?
Yes, methadone DID take my son's life...and it most certainly can at any time take anyone's life whether opiate naive or not. It is an unstable drug and needs to be removed from society.
.30 WHAT?

And HOW did he get it? Did your son make the decision to abuse medication? Did a doctor prescribe it to him legally and appropriately? Did he educate himself on it?

Why not ban oxycontin? It's killed a TON of folks, too. Why not ban vicodin? If you include the liver damage - it has killed far more than methadone. Why not ban alcohol? It kills more than these drugs combined.
ilovelife32

Dayton, OH

#19 Jul 21, 2008
Gle wrote:
<quoted text>
.30 WHAT?
And HOW did he get it? Did your son make the decision to abuse medication? Did a doctor prescribe it to him legally and appropriately? Did he educate himself on it?
Why not ban oxycontin? It's killed a TON of folks, too. Why not ban vicodin? If you include the liver damage - it has killed far more than methadone. Why not ban alcohol? It kills more than these drugs combined.
Her son got it from a friend and he mixed it with zanax. At least that is what she posted.
Gle

Knoxville, TN

#20 Jul 21, 2008
I am very, very sorry to hear that.

I guess that begs the question.... Are you on the Xanax forums posting that it should be banned as well?

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