Texas College: Anti-Gay Parenting Study Checks Out

Sep 3, 2012 Full story: EDGE 52

Officials from the University of Texas have stated this week that a faculty member did not commit scientific misconduct when researching and creating a controversial study about gay parenting.

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hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#1 Sep 3, 2012
Maybe I was "asleep" during all this, but it suddenly hit me with this headline: I am not so sure that *misconduct* is the proper term. I would say *flawed results* or *flawed method* or *flawed methodology*, or all three.

But that's semantic. Anyone can come in here and I could argue with them or we could all argue with each other about terminology itself.

Far more effective and succinct would be to repeatedly discredit the study -- in court case after court case -- the only place where it's going to matter, by the way. Why? Because the antigay will never budge an inch and will embrace the study, but they can do little about the *verdicts* of *judges* in front of whom it can be *pointedly proven* that the study is flawed.

Simple.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#2 Sep 3, 2012
Peterson added that, "ordinary errors, good faith differences in interpretations or judgments of data, scholarly or political disagreements, good faith personal or professional opinions, or private moral or ethical behavior or views are not misconduct."

In other words, you can draw any conclusions you like from data and call it valid as long as you did it in good faith. Not true, and I don't care who Peterson is. The ASA will deal with Regnerus, just like they did with Paul Cameron.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#3 Sep 3, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
Peterson added that, "ordinary errors, good faith differences in interpretations or judgments of data, scholarly or political disagreements, good faith personal or professional opinions, or private moral or ethical behavior or views are not misconduct."
In other words, you can draw any conclusions you like from data and call it valid as long as you did it in good faith. Not true, and I don't care who Peterson is. The ASA will deal with Regnerus, just like they did with Paul Cameron.
SERIOUSLY? I hope so.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#4 Sep 3, 2012
It's very simple.

Unless this study compared gay and straight couples in similar circumstances, then it can in no way be said to show anything about gay folks parenting successes or failures.

Did they compare long-term married gay couples to married straight couples?

Divorced straight parents to divorced gay parents?

Gay and straight couples who had remarried during their children's lives?

If that is not the case with this study, then why is anyone even wasting tome on it?

Since: Jan 10

Lewis Center, OH

#5 Sep 3, 2012
To poll only 3,000 people and then make sweeping generalizations is a perfect example of an out-of-control irresponsible ego. I didnít read any reference to societal ignorance and hates contribution to the equation. Makes me think that the results justified the hypothesis in this so called research.

“God made in the image of man”

Since: May 07

Sausalito, CA

#6 Sep 3, 2012
Marram wrote:
To poll only 3,000 people and then make sweeping generalizations is a perfect example of an out-of-control irresponsible ego. I didnít read any reference to societal ignorance and hates contribution to the equation. Makes me think that the results justified the hypothesis in this so called research.
Exactly!

It's like saying, "there's a much higher incidence of suicide among gay teens, which proves that the gay 'lifestyle' is destructive.
Jonah

Pekin, IL

#7 Sep 3, 2012
Marram wrote:
To poll only 3,000 people and then make sweeping generalizations is a perfect example of an out-of-control irresponsible ego. I didnít read any reference to societal ignorance and hates contribution to the equation. Makes me think that the results justified the hypothesis in this so called research.
IT's actually the largest and most scientific study on the subject *EVER*.

It confirms results of a previous study that proved that the best indicator of a child's future success is having both a father and mother in the home. BTW, which didn't you think you needed? Homosexual adoption denies a child one or the other.
Speedieg

Atlanta, GA

#8 Sep 3, 2012
This study was reverse engineered from the start to show the GLBT community in a negative light. That was the goal and they eliminated any possibility that the outcome would be anything other than the result they desired.

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#9 Sep 3, 2012
Jonah wrote:
<quoted text>IT's actually the largest and most scientific study on the subject *EVER*.
It confirms results of a previous study that proved that the best indicator of a child's future success is having both a father and mother in the home. BTW, which didn't you think you needed? Homosexual adoption denies a child one or the other.
I could do without my father, he never really taught me anything my mom couldn't teach me. There's your proof that I isn't need a mother and father growing up. I wished they'd get divorced every day. No physical abuse, only verbal. My mom taught me everything, my dad had very little input.
This guy picked and chose from the results what he wanted to show about people raised by homosexuals.
Even then, the only thing this guy said made gay parents less effective as parents was the negatives look on gays which invites homophobia. His words point to that. And who's to blame for the homophobia? Not the parents.
If society were more accepting, then it wouldn't be a problem. Also, they said they interviewed people that had gay parents that are between the ages of 18 and 39. That means that at the time that they were parenting, homophobia woul have been even worse. 10-20 years ago, people were WAY less accepting, of course it would've been harder to raise a child as a same sex couple back then.

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Since: Sep 12

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#10 Sep 3, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
The ASA will deal with Regnerus, just like they did with Paul Cameron.
And maybe Regnerous will admit that he has been attracted to other men since he was six years old too! Hopefully he won't wait until he's 70 years old before admitting that his "research" into homosexuality was actually a bizarre form of aversion therapy.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#11 Sep 3, 2012
hi hi wrote:
<quoted text>
SERIOUSLY? I hope so.
Yes. The complaints have already been filed. Regnerus' reputation is gone.
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#12 Sep 3, 2012
Jonah wrote:
<quoted text>IT's actually the largest and most scientific study on the subject *EVER*.
It confirms results of a previous study that proved that the best indicator of a child's future success is having both a father and mother in the home. BTW, which didn't you think you needed? Homosexual adoption denies a child one or the other.
Most scientific?

ahhahahahaha
ahahahahahha

That's rich, coming from a fundie nut-job like you that doesn't have any problem with spreading and repeating LIES.

Since: Mar 09

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#13 Sep 3, 2012
But that's crazy!

They're intentionally confusing the issue!

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#14 Sep 3, 2012
fr "jonah":

>IT's actually the largest and most scientific study on the subject *EVER*....<

Prove it, DAVID MOORE, with reputable sites. Sorry, whirlednutsdaily, the "frc" and the "afa" don't count as reputable.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#15 Sep 3, 2012
Jonah wrote:
<quoted text>IT's actually the largest and most scientific study on the subject *EVER*.
It confirms results of a previous study that proved that the best indicator of a child's future success is having both a father and mother in the home. BTW, which didn't you think you needed? Homosexual adoption denies a child one or the other.
Hey, let's get 100 -- if not a thousand -- adults in court whose parents were negligent, psychologically abusive, emotionally absent, etc. etc.

If people like you are simply going to flap your snouts and be full of shit *in ways that are so obviously false*, and won't stop doing it, let's play your completely goddamned babyish game.

Let's start getting people in court who can destroy the laughable illogic of what you claim.

Want to?

I *dare* you to agree, because you *know for a fact* you'll lose. A *child of nine or ten years of age* knows you'll lose.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#16 Sep 3, 2012
I am definitely going through a phase now -- perhaps temporary, perhaps permanent -- where I have *had it* with the arguing. Let's get people IN COURT SETTINGS to make FINDINGS OF FACT about all of this, once and for all, and then it *just really does not matter in the slightest* what anyone denying fact says. I am champing at the bit for the antigay to "defend" their "viewpoints" in court.

Since: Mar 09

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#17 Sep 3, 2012
Look. It all getting muddled up.

The denial of scientific malfeasance by Regnerus is completely off-base and intended to confuse the issue.

Regenerus's errors were in the design, execution and interpretation - none of which are malfeasance.

The malfeasance was by the REVIEWERS.

The University is intentionally confusing the two issues in the minds of those uninformed about the research and review processes.

Nobody has done anything illegal ... just horribly (and evilly?) unethical and unprofessional.

Unprofessional, that is, unless one is a professional smear artist.

Since: Jan 10

Lewis Center, OH

#18 Sep 3, 2012
Jonah wrote:
<quoted text>IT's actually the largest and most scientific study on the subject *EVER*.
It confirms results of a previous study that proved that the best indicator of a child's future success is having both a father and mother in the home. BTW, which didn't you think you needed? Homosexual adoption denies a child one or the other.
Be careful, this study (I use that term loosely) was never formally peer-reviewed (a crucial part of the scientific process). Please use common sense and education when you want to be enlightened. Believing something simply because it satisfies your baser instincts is not only ignorant but irresponsible.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#19 Sep 3, 2012
Marram wrote:
To poll only 3,000 people and then make sweeping generalizations is a perfect example of an out-of-control irresponsible ego. I didnít read any reference to societal ignorance and hates contribution to the equation. Makes me think that the results justified the hypothesis in this so called research.
That's not even the worst part of it. He included all single parents as gay parents and gay parents who's children were actually conceived by them as straight. Hi skewed the results in so many other unscrupulous ways it's sort of embarrassing that any scientifically minded person would defend the study in any way.

Since: Mar 09

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#20 Sep 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not even the worst part of it. He included all single parents as gay parents and gay parents who's children were actually conceived by them as straight. Hi skewed the results in so many other unscrupulous ways it's sort of embarrassing that any scientifically minded person would defend the study in any way.
As I said, the problems begin with his definitions, and goes downhill from there.

He didn't commit any "scientific misconduct", per se. Just really bad science.

The misconduct was by one of the reviewers, who was also a sponsor of the survey.

UT is playing to their fundie big donors.

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