Kwanzaa: Honoring a continent's culture

There are 54 comments on the Wentzville Journal story from Dec 16, 2008, titled Kwanzaa: Honoring a continent's culture. In it, Wentzville Journal reports that:

December is a month for reflection and remembrance. People reflect on their ancestral heritage and celebrate their culture.

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jo jo

Anchorage, AK

#47 Dec 17, 2008
Confusious Kwesi wrote:
While they try to destroy our African Heritage let us rediscover where we were before they came.
It only takes a slight shift of snow to start an avalanche.
C.Kwesi
Just visit Africa, the land of anarchy to find out !!!
Dot

South Africa

#49 Dec 19, 2008
Santa= Satan
Read between the lines people, this holiday has nothing to do with JC=Jesus Christ
Besides was Jesus born during winter? If so how did the sherperd guard their herds(sheep).
Dot

South Africa

#50 Dec 19, 2008
Okay this is info that i got from another forum... This is not my own words but copy and paste, but i do find them interesting and making sense.

Dec 25th Christmas was the largest pagan/demonic festival dedicated to the birthdays of many pagan deities, Nimrod, Tammuz,Mithra, Astarte/Ashtoreth, the list goes on.
The Yule log represented the sexual organ of the Yule deity that they lite on fire for several days sacrificing humans and animals on it.
The Christmas tree represented the resurrected body of Nimrod(founder of Babylon) the reincarnation of Baal/Satan. He was "cut down" slayed by his uncle because of his wickedness. The tree being cut down from the forest is his death. Tammuz(Babylonian for son who rises) was the son of Nimrod that he had with his own mother as his resurrection. Also it was a symbol for Astarte/Mithra deity worshipers. They called the tree Asherah which is Hebrew for "grove(tree)/grooves(fore st)" or "decorated tree" also symbol for Baal.
Jer 10:2-5 "Thus saith YAHWAH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."

Also 2King Chap17 and Chap23, and many other verses in Scripture has more on their obsession with this grove tree. There are tons more verse in The Scriptures about this as well. There is a reason u "bow down" to put the presents under the tree which is the host of Satan under his various names.
They also had feast on this day for Astarte/Mithra deity Jer 7:18 "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."

Drunken mass sex, child sex , sacrifices, and murders went on during this celebration all over the world.

Santa is Satan scrambled .Santa was first known as the Harth and Oden deities would reward those who pleased him that year and hexed or killed those who didn't. St Nicholas supposedly captured Satan and made him his servant. If children were good Satan gave them gifts if they were bad Satan would haul them away and use his switch in sadomasochistic ways.

InI could go on and on but Christmas. InI know ones an ones ascribe to thier own doctrines but one thing InI think we can agree on is that InI are children of the Almighty YAH/JAH and we as his children shouldn't ascribe to anything Demonic and Babylonian. Shalom
SO TRUE

United States

#51 Dec 19, 2008
SO TRUE: Re-posted from 2007

Charlotte, NC

Dec 15, 2007

While commonly viewed as an "African" holiday, observed from Dec. 26 to Jan. 1, Kwanzaa actually was created in the U.S. in 1966 by Dr. Maulana "Ron" Karenga, the head of a violent black-power group, United Slaves Organization, which was a rival to the Black Panthers.

In the 1970s, Karenga served four years in prison for conspiracy and assault in the torture of two female followers. Karenga was convicted of whipping them with electrical cords and beating them with a karate baton after stripping them naked. He placed in the mouth of one of the victims a hot soldering iron, also scarring her face with the device. He put one of her big toes in a vise, and detergent and running water in both of their mouths.

In a 1978 interview quoted in the Washington Post, Karenga said, "People think it's African, but it's not. I came up with Kwanzaa because black people in this country wouldn't celebrate it if they knew it was American. Also, I put it around Christmas because I knew that's when a lot of bloods (blacks) would be partying."

"If black Christians don't stand up for Christmas and reject Kwanzaa, they are allowing evil to have its way," Peterson said. "They will regret using a fake holiday to stamp out the true meaning of Christmas."

In the late 1960s Ron Karenga was the commander of a black nationalist paramilitary group that called itself United Slaves (US). In 1969 Karenga?s gang clashed with the Black Panthers over control of a black studies program at UCLA. Everyone was packing heat. When the gun smoke cleared two Panthers lay dead at the student center.
In May of 1971 Karenga stood trial for torturing two dissident members of his cult. Both Deborah Jones and Gail Davis described how Karenga had demanded that they strip naked. The naked women were then whipped with electrical cords and beaten with a karate baton. Detergent and a gushing hose were forced into their mouths. Ms Jones had one of her toes clamped in a vise. Karenga?s goon squad forced a hot electrical soldering iron in to Ms Davis? mouth as a form of revolutionary discipline. The torturefest went on for two long days. Karenga was convicted and served more than three years in a California State prison.

A period of thanksgiving for good blessings shared with family and friends will do the same. But just don't try to link it with and call it some kind of African tradition or holidays.
aunt bee on crack

AOL

#52 Dec 19, 2008
i celibrate it too! we burn a big ol cross every year on the courthouse lawn

“Hen oida hoti ouden oida”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#53 Dec 19, 2008
Kwanzaa is such a joke.
guest

Arnold, MO

#54 Dec 19, 2008
Jawga Boy wrote:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org /news1299/kwaanza.html
I rest my case!
Negroes are always "inventing" holidays.
Anything to get a day off with PAY!
Landover Baptist is correct!
Landover Baptist, like The Onion, is a parody site.
Sinajuavi

United States

#55 Dec 19, 2008
Dot, that account of the pagan elements of Christianity assumes they all are of Mideastern origin. Not all culture came from the well-known "civilized" areas of the world.

In fact the Christmas tree and other trappings are from European paganism. Many of these traditions persist, whether of Cetlic, Germanic, Baltic, Slavic or other origin.

“WOOH!!”

Since: May 08

Vallejo, CA

#56 Dec 21, 2008
JDB wrote:
We need a White English Culture day too. No, wait, it`s racist for a white to have anything celebrating being white.
<---- white chick

In a manner of speaking, we DO get to have "white culture" days. Many communities have groups for various white European cultures. There's a big difference between celebrating culture and skin color.

“WOOH!!”

Since: May 08

Vallejo, CA

#57 Dec 21, 2008
Dot wrote:
Okay this is info that i got from another forum... This is not my own words but copy and paste, but i do find them interesting and making sense.
Dec 25th Christmas was the largest pagan/demonic festival dedicated to the birthdays of many pagan deities, Nimrod, Tammuz,Mithra, Astarte/Ashtoreth, the list goes on.
The Yule log represented the sexual organ of the Yule deity that they lite on fire for several days sacrificing humans and animals on it.
The Christmas tree represented the resurrected body of Nimrod(founder of Babylon) the reincarnation of Baal/Satan. He was "cut down" slayed by his uncle because of his wickedness. The tree being cut down from the forest is his death. Tammuz(Babylonian for son who rises) was the son of Nimrod that he had with his own mother as his resurrection. Also it was a symbol for Astarte/Mithra deity worshipers. They called the tree Asherah which is Hebrew for "grove(tree)/grooves(fore st)" or "decorated tree" also symbol for Baal.
Jer 10:2-5 "Thus saith YAHWAH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."
Also 2King Chap17 and Chap23, and many other verses in Scripture has more on their obsession with this grove tree. There are tons more verse in The Scriptures about this as well. There is a reason u "bow down" to put the presents under the tree which is the host of Satan under his various names.
They also had feast on this day for Astarte/Mithra deity Jer 7:18 "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
Drunken mass sex, child sex , sacrifices, and murders went on during this celebration all over the world.
Santa is Satan scrambled .Santa was first known as the Harth and Oden deities would reward those who pleased him that year and hexed or killed those who didn't. St Nicholas supposedly captured Satan and made him his servant. If children were good Satan gave them gifts if they were bad Satan would haul them away and use his switch in sadomasochistic ways.
InI could go on and on but Christmas. InI know ones an ones ascribe to thier own doctrines but one thing InI think we can agree on is that InI are children of the Almighty YAH/JAH and we as his children shouldn't ascribe to anything Demonic and Babylonian. Shalom
That's partly true. Christmas does have Pagan origins, as it was created by the Christian Church to replace the celebrations of the Winter Solstice. But the "Satanic" associations are BS (also created by the Christian Church).
Sinajuavi

Morgantown, WV

#58 Dec 21, 2008
If it's European culture you want to fight for, it is not about "white" crap in America, it's about the real cultures of Europe, which have been greatly suppressed not only by imperialism per se but also by Christian institutions.

The pagan origins of the Christian practices are interesting, but what is more interesting is the knowledge of the entire pagan religions and their worldviews.

This is true of Europe as well as elsewhere. Roman Christian imperialism is not the culture of Europe...that is the force which has oppressed and devastated European culture.
suz

United States

#59 Dec 30, 2008
Dot wrote:
<quoted text>
What?!!!
Who do you think you are?
Do you know me? I don't think so....
Look here, i'm not white.....
I'm black as they come......
How am I a racist bigot?
How am Idestroying an African contribution to the world? I'm really confused here, please tell me what i said that made you say all this?
Amen! just because you have an opinion different than another doesn't make you racist... and it IS kinda funny that someone didn't understand you weren't a white middle class american...hahahaha
Who do I have to talk to

Evanston, IL

#60 Jan 2, 2009
Dot wrote:
Okay this is info that i got from another forum... This is not my own words but copy and paste, but i do find them interesting and making sense.
Dec 25th Christmas was the largest pagan/demonic festival dedicated to the birthdays of many pagan deities, Nimrod, Tammuz,Mithra, Astarte/Ashtoreth, the list goes on.
The Yule log represented the sexual organ of the Yule deity that they lite on fire for several days sacrificing humans and animals on it.
The Christmas tree represented the resurrected body of Nimrod(founder of Babylon) the reincarnation of Baal/Satan. He was "cut down" slayed by his uncle because of his wickedness. The tree being cut down from the forest is his death. Tammuz(Babylonian for son who rises) was the son of Nimrod that he had with his own mother as his resurrection. Also it was a symbol for Astarte/Mithra deity worshipers. They called the tree Asherah which is Hebrew for "grove(tree)/grooves(fore st)" or "decorated tree" also symbol for Baal.
Jer 10:2-5 "Thus saith YAHWAH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good."
Also 2King Chap17 and Chap23, and many other verses in Scripture has more on their obsession with this grove tree. There are tons more verse in The Scriptures about this as well. There is a reason u "bow down" to put the presents under the tree which is the host of Satan under his various names.
They also had feast on this day for Astarte/Mithra deity Jer 7:18 "The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger."
Drunken mass sex, child sex , sacrifices, and murders went on during this celebration all over the world.
Santa is Satan scrambled .Santa was first known as the Harth and Oden deities would reward those who pleased him that year and hexed or killed those who didn't. St Nicholas supposedly captured Satan and made him his servant. If children were good Satan gave them gifts if they were bad Satan would haul them away and use his switch in sadomasochistic ways.
InI could go on and on but Christmas. InI know ones an ones ascribe to thier own doctrines but one thing InI think we can agree on is that InI are children of the Almighty YAH/JAH and we as his children shouldn't ascribe to anything Demonic and Babylonian. Shalom
For what it's worth, and at the risk of have hate poured out like water on a fire, I would like to point out that the actually holy day of Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus or Nazareth. Whatever else was and/or is celebrated on or around the date of December 25th is irrelevant. Christians have always and everywhere taken local symbols and re-interpretted them to their own meanings. This was done to help illustrate the faith to the communities they were trying to convert.

Did you ever stop to think about exactly why those symbols have stopped be representative of what they originally stood for? By the way, that Kwanzaa candle stick (kinara) closely resembles a menorah, does that mean they stole the idea from the Jews?

A.D. from East Carondelet, Il.
Welfare inspector

UK

#61 Jan 2, 2009
NiftyWitch wrote:
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<---- white chick
In a manner of speaking, we DO get to have "white culture" days. Many communities have groups for various white European cultures. There's a big difference between celebrating culture and skin color.
yes, and here in the UK they are gradually being suppressed by the liberal wimps.
The moslems especially don't like any English or Christian festival. but we DO have Europe's biggest festival of mugging and knifing, the "Notting Hill Carnival", a celebration of "black culture".

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