Report: Smoky casino air fails EPA standards

Jan 14, 2009 Full story: IBJ.COM 29

The study may not come as a surprise to gamblers smelling of cigarette smoke after visiting a casino.

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“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#1 Jan 14, 2009
If they were worried about it, they would't go to the casinos. Why are many of them leaving Illinois to gamble in Indiana?

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#2 Jan 14, 2009
What a load of horsesh!t. Applying outdoor standards where the air should be 100% fresh when every day there are cities around the country where the outdoor air much can't pass these standards. If you look these tests are done by activist and probably right next to an ashtray.
http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress.com/2008/...

http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress.com/2008/...

Plus since the standard is a time averaged standard so the correct way would be to have an employee carry a monitor and see what there exposure would be over a 24 hour period. Oh wait that has already been done!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml...
Tomorrow

Waverly, OH

#3 Jan 14, 2009
But advocates did not release data for specific casinos because of the inconsistencies of when the measurements were taken, and said their study was meant to show the health dangers of the entire gambling industry rather than calling out individual casinos.
I like this part" did not release data etc/
What a crock.

“Pay Attention”

Since: Dec 06

Cincinnati

#4 Jan 14, 2009
From the above article..

"Pollution levels at the 11 casinos ranged from healthy levels in one casino to more than 300 micrograms per cubic meter at two others."

Why not find out what the casino that has healthy levels is doing to maintain those levels and get the other casinos to do the same..
Problem solved..
No ban needed..

“SECOND HAND SMOKE IS A JOKE ”

Since: Dec 08

tobacco road

#5 Jan 14, 2009
first the epa uses their own self prescribed air sampling equipment thats not set for osha standards.....dont be surprised if they fudge their results or make their sensors more sensitive to produce higher readings,epa is the first govmnt agency not to trust.....the second is the CDC.

“Veritas Vincit. Pro Libertate”

Since: Jun 08

peoples republic of Madison

#6 Jan 14, 2009
CONFEDERATE_1978 wrote:
first the epa uses their own self prescribed air sampling equipment thats not set for osha standards.....dont be surprised if they fudge their results or make their sensors more sensitive to produce higher readings,epa is the first govmnt agency not to trust.....the second is the CDC.
It isn't the EPA trying to apply these standards. These are outdoor air quality standards that are meant to take continuous measurements over a 24 hour period and averaged out. And even then they don't take measurements at the source. They don't take measurements at the smokestack or at the exhaust of a diesel truck.

Since: Nov 08

Winter Haven, FL

#7 Jan 14, 2009
Get ready Hoosiers. My home state is getting ready to get turned on its ass. From casinos to bars... this is the first step. Next thing you know you won't be able to smoke at home. And for a state that doesn't allow the sale of liquor on Sundays (religious much?), don't think it won't happen!

“SECOND HAND SMOKE IS A JOKE ”

Since: Dec 08

tobacco road

#8 Jan 14, 2009
schip taxes was passed today 6.70 cents more per carton federal excise.......bulk loose tobacco 24 dollars a pound.......can you say BLACKMARKET.....AL CAPONE PLEASE HURRY UP,there are formerly federal dollars waiting for you to collect from us americans........like in canada you leave 8 bucks in the mailbox and walla the next morning you have a carton of smokes...thats canadas bootleggers dream plan.Its fixing to happen here in america GUARANTEED

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#9 Jan 14, 2009
CONFEDERATE_1978 wrote:
schip taxes was passed today 6.70 cents more per carton federal excise.......bulk loose tobacco 24 dollars a pound.......can you say BLACKMARKET.....AL CAPONE PLEASE HURRY UP,there are formerly federal dollars waiting for you to collect from us americans........like in canada you leave 8 bucks in the mailbox and walla the next morning you have a carton of smokes...thats canadas bootleggers dream plan.Its fixing to happen here in america GUARANTEED
And no ID required

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#10 Jan 15, 2009
LaceyUnderall wrote:
Get ready Hoosiers. My home state is getting ready to get turned on its ass.
Don't be too sure.
The 'wave' stalled in PA leaving the bars and casinos. IN is doing very well taking IL's business. There is alot of incentive to not go 'all the way'. Dark Blue states like IL are easy and OH was a fluke mostly driven by the SG and ballot language.
Between SCHIP tax and 3rd hand smoke TC is really pushing their luck right now.

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#11 Jan 15, 2009
Cincy Steve wrote:
Why not find out what the casino that has healthy levels is doing to maintain those levels and get the other casinos to do the same..
You see that all the time when you look at raw data from these 'studies'.
Even in the same location!!
It's another trick, they could easily automate the readings to give very precise averages, but much better shock value in reporting PEAK individual readings.
Most stay middlin with occasional bumps. A few maintain relatively low levels. A small percentage have moderate levels that will spike badly on occasion.

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#12 Jan 15, 2009
PicassoIII wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be too sure.
The 'wave' stalled in PA leaving the bars and casinos. IN is doing very well taking IL's business. There is alot of incentive to not go 'all the way'. Dark Blue states like IL are easy and OH was a fluke mostly driven by the SG and ballot language.
Between SCHIP tax and 3rd hand smoke TC is really pushing their luck right now.
When the first states passed their bans, no one had any idea that a well funded "war on smokers" even existed. Here in Illinois, we all had the lax attitude when it was mentioned casually in small print in the papers that it was even being proposed "California, the land of fruits and nuts, good for them. No way it will happen in Chicago" We really got a surprise. People suddenly woke up. You snooze, you lose. Now the surrounding states are seeing what is happening in Illinois and not "jumping on the bandwagon" They are profiting handsomly from the Illinois ban.

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#13 Jan 15, 2009
"The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency says it's healthy to have up to 35 micrograms per cubic meter of fine particulate matter in the air over 24 hours. But the study found the average level of fine particle pollution in casino gambling areas was 159 micrograms per cubic meter. Seven of the 11 casinos measured had non-smoking areas, and the average level in those areas was 48 micrograms per cubic meter."
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/markets/headl...

8hrs of 48g/m3 is unhealthy?!?
Good grief. You'd kill for that air in Hammond.
Honestly 159 really isn't bad, 100 would be pretty good (see nic fit's 'can we compromise' thread).
But <50 is great.
OSHA's nuisance dust std was 300 of PM10!!

No safe level my arse.

Since: Nov 08

Winter Haven, FL

#14 Jan 15, 2009
generalsn1234567 wrote:
<quoted text> When the first states passed their bans, no one had any idea that a well funded "war on smokers" even existed. Here in Illinois, we all had the lax attitude when it was mentioned casually in small print in the papers that it was even being proposed "California, the land of fruits and nuts, good for them. No way it will happen in Chicago" We really got a surprise. People suddenly woke up. You snooze, you lose. Now the surrounding states are seeing what is happening in Illinois and not "jumping on the bandwagon" They are profiting handsomly from the Illinois ban.
I hope you are right. If the midwest falls to this... then the entire country will follow suit.

“SECOND HAND SMOKE IS A JOKE ”

Since: Dec 08

tobacco road

#15 Jan 15, 2009
what youve got watch for is a national smoking ban prohibition law............With this group of wacked out progressives its very very very likly.

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#16 Jan 15, 2009
CONFEDERATE_1978 wrote:
what youve got watch for is a national smoking ban prohibition law..........With this group of wacked out progressives its very very very likly.
It's slowly leading up to total prohibition. The fact that someone now has a alcoholism pill they can market is REALL scary.

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#17 Jan 15, 2009
LaceyUnderall wrote:
I hope you are right. If the midwest falls to this... then the entire country will follow suit.
What the good citizens of IN need to do is take back control of their elected officials.
Don't let special interests rule the day.
$155K is alot of money, but an angry constituency can have a major impact.
http://www.rwjf.org/publichealth/grant.jsp...

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#18 Jan 15, 2009
generalsn1234567 wrote:
It's slowly leading up to total prohibition. The fact that someone now has a alcoholism pill they can market is REALL scary.
That is the point where this house of cards will fall.
We are talking trillions of dollars in tax revenue here. The only entities that want total prohibition are pharma and a fringe of the activists.
Keeping it legal and heavily taxed, skimmed and extorted (MSA) is what drives the whole anti machine.

“12oz libertarian”

Since: Dec 07

chi-town 'Inner City'

#19 Jan 15, 2009
BTW, not saying it won't get worse in some locales for those that enjoy their vices.
But the end point brings former allies into diametrically opposed interests.
It will be fun to watch no doubt.
youou

Lewisburg, TN

#20 Jan 15, 2009
PicassoIII wrote:
<quoted text>That is the point where this house of cards will fall.
We are talking trillions of dollars in tax revenue here. The only entities that want total prohibition are pharma and a fringe of the activists.
Keeping it legal and heavily taxed, skimmed and extorted (MSA) is what drives the whole anti machine.
Sure it will be tuff for a year or so. I suggest raising the tax on smokes more to make up the difference.
It is a fact... A good number of smokers are on government assistance. They can recycle the money given to them through additional taxes. most are too stupid to realize they are too poor to smoke.
And the ones who do not get government assitance but still smoke...are just dumb and deserve additional taxes.

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