Wait for sex and marriage? Evangelicals conflicted

Aug 9, 2009 Full story: Seattle Post-Intelligencer 82

When Margie and Stephen Zumbrun were battling the urge to have premarital sex, a pastor counseled them to control themselves.

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seymour

New Zealand

#81 Aug 17, 2009
Mikey, my SO is glad I got her pregnant four times. She is also relieved that I get hard on command. She is happy that my tool gives me pleasure. She accepts that I have all the bits Mother Nature saw fit to give me. She has no other opinions about my equipment. In particular, she has never spoken about my or any other man's size.
Mikey

Chico, CA

#82 Aug 17, 2009
seymour wrote:
Mikey, my SO is glad I got her pregnant four times. She is also relieved that I get hard on command. She is happy that my tool gives me pleasure. She accepts that I have all the bits Mother Nature saw fit to give me. She has no other opinions about my equipment. In particular, she has never spoken about my or any other man's size.
But..... she has never had a big di_ck.... I bet she would really scream with pleasure if she were to try "Mr.Big" sorry dude you are out of the "big guy" loop. Enjoy your ball and chain times four! peace out!
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#83 Aug 17, 2009
seymour wrote:
<quoted text>
You could change a lot over the next 20 years. Many men marry in their 20s, and really come to appreciate that fact only in their 30s and 40s.
You will change. Hair stops growing on your head and starts growing from your nose,ears and back.

Your boxer shorts get longer and longer till they're down around your ankles.The skid marks keep getting bigger,browner and stinks more and more with each passing day.

By the time you're 40 your boobs get to be bigger than your wifes and men start finding you more attractive and they stop looking at HER .

Every time you bend over they hang and flop all over the place. The LAST thing you want to do is crawl on the floor. Your pets will come to you and start after those things for their feeding.

By 50, your dog stops humping YOUR leg and YOU start getting the urge to hump your visitors leg and you suddenly find yourself sniffing the seat cushions where females have been sitting.
Mikey

Chico, CA

#84 Aug 17, 2009
Honky Lips wrote:
<quoted text>
You will change. Hair stops growing on your head and starts growing from your nose,ears and back.
Your boxer shorts get longer and longer till they're down around your ankles.The skid marks keep getting bigger,browner and stinks more and more with each passing day.
By the time you're 40 your boobs get to be bigger than your wifes and men start finding you more attractive and they stop looking at HER .
Every time you bend over they hang and flop all over the place. The LAST thing you want to do is crawl on the floor. Your pets will come to you and start after those things for their feeding.
By 50, your dog stops humping YOUR leg and YOU start getting the urge to hump your visitors leg and you suddenly find yourself sniffing the seat cushions where females have been sitting.
Now that funny! All the more reason to bone everything in sight now that im young! At 30 years old I think Im doing great when it comes to sampling lots of new and exciting Pu_ssy! Why would I want to be tied down with the sam hag with four kids? F_*_ing like a jack rabbit for as long as I can!
seymour

New Zealand

#85 Aug 17, 2009
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>But..... she has never had a big di_ck.... I bet she would really scream with pleasure if she were to try "Mr.Big" sorry dude you are out of the "big guy" loop. Enjoy your ball and chain times four! peace out!
You've lost your bet.
Mikey

Chico, CA

#86 Aug 17, 2009
I could come over and let your old lady decide for herself? Something other than your opinion... You know.. fulfill her secret fantasy? I wont even charge you. Dont be jealous seymour.
miss saigon

New Zealand

#87 Aug 17, 2009
I am Seymour's SO and I don't want you.
Wanny

Sydney, Australia

#88 Aug 18, 2009
wait 4 da rite time yes
Just Wondering

El Paso, TX

#89 Aug 19, 2009
Dr Ron Gerughty wrote:
The vast array of advisors on sexual behavior need to wake up to the fact that until the Inversion co-opted woman's sexuality (about 5000 years ago) and extinguished the female sex paradigm, taking with it millennia of mate assessment and male transformation, our Pleistocene ancestral women had sex many times daily with many men and women. Marriage and pair bonding are not innate,evolutionary, or immutable, but rather patriarchal creations designed to harnass woman's sexuality. The truth of the matter lies with woman's inherent desire to find emotional affinity among the various potential mates; therefore, "premarital" sexual activity (not sexual intercourse) is as natural as breathing. The drive, however, is not for procreation, but for assessment and subsequent transformation. For more, see www.esybron.org
Is this why women who sleek with bunches of men have poor self esteem and feel bad about themselves. All sleeping around has ever done for any woman is to make her feel bad about herself, subject her to STD's and unplanned pregnancies. Not to mention it is my opinion that for each person you give yourself to in that way you leave a little part of yourself with them. If you sleep with bunches of people you may not have anything left of yourself or feel any permanent connection to anyone or even feel special about yourself or your own body anymore. We are each unique and special and each of us may want to protect that and not give ourselves to everyone who comes along. I have only seem regret in women who do. I am not saying that I think less of them or have a righ to but they may think less of themeselves when they shared themselves like a bag of french fries. I am not a religious person but I think we each need to protect ourselves emotionally.
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#90 Aug 23, 2009
It's easy for a preacher to tell a girl to control herself. What's he care, he has the alter boy.
seymour

New Zealand

#91 Aug 23, 2009
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>Is this why women who sleek with bunches of men have poor self esteem and feel bad about themselves. All sleeping around has ever done for any woman is to make her feel bad about herself, subject her to STD's and unplanned pregnancies. Not to mention it is my opinion that for each person you give yourself to in that way you leave a little part of yourself with them. If you sleep with bunches of people you may not have anything left of yourself or feel any permanent connection to anyone or even feel special about yourself or your own body anymore. We are each unique and special and each of us may want to protect that and not give ourselves to everyone who comes along. I have only seem regret in women who do. I am not saying that I think less of them or have a righ to but they may think less of themeselves when they shared themselves like a bag of french fries. I am not a religious person but I think we each need to protect ourselves emotionally.
Heaps of people who grew up before, say, 1960, thought as you do. When a woman takes of her clothes, lies down, and spreads her legs, that is one of the most emotional things she can do with her life. It means a great deal to me because it is a great privilege, and I hope it means a lot to her. If it doesn't, something has gone wrong in her life.
Mikey

Chico, CA

#92 Aug 23, 2009
When a guy whips it out and busts a nut, it means alot to him too. Its a great deal of emotional relief to the man. Its also an honor that he was able to service the woman. If it does not mean much to him... then she was probably a bad lay.
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#93 Sep 3, 2009
People discover sex at about age 12.
Only they do it by theirself.
Mary

Farmington, NM

#94 Sep 3, 2009
Dr Ron Gerughty wrote:
The vast array of advisors on sexual behavior need to wake up to the fact that until the Inversion co-opted woman's sexuality (about 5000 years ago) and extinguished the female sex paradigm, taking with it millennia of mate assessment and male transformation, our Pleistocene ancestral women had sex many times daily with many men and women. Marriage and pair bonding are not innate,evolutionary, or immutable, but rather patriarchal creations designed to harnass woman's sexuality. The truth of the matter lies with woman's inherent desire to find emotional affinity among the various potential mates; therefore, "premarital" sexual activity (not sexual intercourse) is as natural as breathing. The drive, however, is not for procreation, but for assessment and subsequent transformation. For more, see www.esybron.org
What supports the statement that Pliestocene women had sex so often and varied? How could you tell that from archeological research?
Mary

Farmington, NM

#95 Sep 3, 2009
Just Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>Is this why women who sleek with bunches of men have poor self esteem and feel bad about themselves. All sleeping around has ever done for any woman is to make her feel bad about herself, subject her to STD's and unplanned pregnancies. Not to mention it is my opinion that for each person you give yourself to in that way you leave a little part of yourself with them. If you sleep with bunches of people you may not have anything left of yourself or feel any permanent connection to anyone or even feel special about yourself or your own body anymore. We are each unique and special and each of us may want to protect that and not give ourselves to everyone who comes along. I have only seem regret in women who do. I am not saying that I think less of them or have a righ to but they may think less of themeselves when they shared themselves like a bag of french fries. I am not a religious person but I think we each need to protect ourselves emotionally.
I don't believe that is true for all women. Some women enjoy seeing how many hot guys they can get and enjoy them very much. It has no emotional meaning; it's just great fun.
seymour

New Zealand

#96 Sep 3, 2009
Many North American women under 30 may be on the edge of being able to let men their age see them naked and enjoy their bodies, without feeling vulnerable or used. This is scary new emotional territory for our species. I know that a lot of men are not ready to cross this bridge. At the same time, few unwilling men are willing to talk about their unwillingness.
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#98 Sep 4, 2009
seymour wrote:
Many North American women under 30 may be on the edge of being able to let men their age see them naked and enjoy their bodies, without feeling vulnerable or used. This is scary new emotional territory for our species. I know that a lot of men are not ready to cross this bridge. At the same time, few unwilling men are willing to talk about their unwillingness.
How can ANYONE be totally
naked and not feel vulnerable?
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#99 Sep 4, 2009
Mary wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe that is true for all women. Some women enjoy seeing how many hot guys they can get and enjoy them very much. It has no emotional meaning; it's just great fun.
So what you're saying is that women are people.......just like me and have the same desires.

Only difference is some equiptment and some like flowers, some don't.

People are ..........people'.

Thanks for your honesty.
Honky Lips

Allentown, PA

#100 Sep 4, 2009
that was supposed to be "men".
Dr Ron Gerughty

Missoula, MT

#101 Sep 4, 2009
Mary wrote "What supports the statement that Pliestocene women had sex so often and varied? How could you tell that from archeological research?" I cannot, and neither can anyone else. I have only the stories handed down through the millennia by Sangoma women. In actuality, no one really knows and your question hits the heart of the problem with "evolutionary psychology". I cover this in great detail in my upcoming book on Woman's Sexuality.The stories make sense to me given what we think we know about life in the distant past and the indisputable fact that woman's sexuality was inverted and co-opted about 5000 years ago, so that what we see today is not what are ancestors embraced. But, thanks for the insightful question.

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