Creationists handing out modified “Or...

Creationists handing out modified “Origin Of The Species” on campuses

There are 98 comments on the www.collegenews.com story from Nov 21, 2009, titled Creationists handing out modified “Origin Of The Species” on campuses. In it, www.collegenews.com reports that:

On the publication’s 150th anniversary, Origin of the Species, Charles Darwin’s influential scientific text detailing his theory of evolution, “Origin of the Species,” has taken a new life on college campuses nationwide. On Thursday, in an effort spearheaded notable leaders in the Creationist community--including actor Kirk Cameron and Minister Ray Comfort--Christian activists handed out thousands of copies of Darwin’s book on college campus. But this latest edition of Species came with a catch.

According to MNDaily and the Associated Press, students at Purdue University and the University of Minnesota were handed some thousands of copies of “Species"with a new 50-page introduction, penned by Comfort, which set out to explain creationism as well as refute Darwin’s theory of evolution.

The AP reported that Comfort’s introduction, in the process of challenging Darwin’s theory, allegedly states that dictator Adolph Hitler took the theory of evolution to its logical conclusion while questioning his scientific methods in the process. The effort is part of a month-long campaign by Comfort’s Living Waters ministry to distribute the books to nearly 90 campuses nationwide.

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Since: Sep 08

Viva Madeira

#21 Nov 21, 2009
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Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#22 Nov 21, 2009
sue wrote:
<quoted text>The catholic church as we know it today is not the same as the early church fathers, the word catholic means universal, the old testament books were written by the hebrews except for the book of Daniel it was written in Chaldean. As for the planet who really knows how old it is?
Scientists and geologists.
Neocons are cowards

Buffalo, NY

#23 Nov 21, 2009
sue wrote:
<quoted text>Constantine had the first five books which included Genesis. They are thought to have been written by Moses.
Thought by whom? NOBODY with a brain thinks moses wrote them!
Neocons are cowards

Buffalo, NY

#24 Nov 21, 2009
Hesed wrote:
<quoted text>Nah, you will just have to wait until MSNBC tells you. You won't believe me or go looking for yourself either way.
Enjoy.
As expected, You're not smart enough to have an actual discussion!
Zombie Corpse Rental

San Jose, CA

#25 Nov 22, 2009
LOL it's a hundred and fifty years old. You dummies want to prove your case, do it with data that refutes the data and analyses collected and conducted since then.

Unfortunately for you, it doesn't exist.

Damn, seriously, these creationist nuts make Christians look bad.
smart ass

Wichita, KS

#26 Nov 22, 2009
To all the folks who put all there faith in the siences, ARE YOU STUPID OR WHAT?????!!!!! Since when have scientist ever gotten anything right? Examples: The earth is flat, we are the center of the universe, we are the center of the galaxy, we are the center of the solar system, DDT's wont hurt you or cause birth defects, lead paint is perfectly safe to use, aspestice is safe, the earth is warming, bleading you with leeches will make you healthy, etc... I could go on forever!!! Our scientists havnt got a clue as to how we came to be. If you listen to them we all come from a giant rock from outer space. There track record with giving us the facts and not speculation is dismall at best. Wether tou beleave in God being our creater or not its pretty hard to convince me that someone didnt create all this. At least the bible is fairly consistant were as scientists are constantly changing there facts all the time.
sue

United States

#27 Nov 22, 2009
Chicago Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Scientists and geologists.
No they dont, they cant even agree with each other. No one really knows how old the planet is.
sue

United States

#29 Nov 22, 2009
smart ass wrote:
To all the folks who put all there faith in the siences, ARE YOU STUPID OR WHAT?????!!!!! Since when have scientist ever gotten anything right? Examples: The earth is flat, we are the center of the universe, we are the center of the galaxy, we are the center of the solar system, DDT's wont hurt you or cause birth defects, lead paint is perfectly safe to use, aspestice is safe, the earth is warming, bleading you with leeches will make you healthy, etc... I could go on forever!!! Our scientists havnt got a clue as to how we came to be. If you listen to them we all come from a giant rock from outer space. There track record with giving us the facts and not speculation is dismall at best. Wether tou beleave in God being our creater or not its pretty hard to convince me that someone didnt create all this. At least the bible is fairly consistant were as scientists are constantly changing there facts all the time.
The scripures are consistent. Man cannot create he can only take what is here already and make something new with what is already here. As for evolving it suggests that things evole for the better, if you just look around you can see that everything goes into a state of decay. You get old, your car wears out, we are certainly not any smarter than people of past ages. WE have only tapped into resources that are available to us on the earth already and made them to work togather we have actually created nothing.
sue

United States

#30 Nov 22, 2009
Marichu wrote:
<quoted text>
I would imagine Christian religions pick and chose what to follow or what not to follow from the bible.
Where exactly does the bible state its disagreement with science?
The scriptures themselves do not disagee with science. People disagree with people. what is written is written, the best thing is to just read it for yourselves. To go off with he said, she said or to take data from one relgion or another is not scientific. Its hear say.
sue

United States

#31 Nov 22, 2009
The bible is the instruction manuel for life. But dont we all like to try to put something together without reading the directions?

“JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD!!”

Since: Nov 07

Repent and trust Jesus!

#32 Nov 22, 2009
Neocons are cowards wrote:
<quoted text>As expected, You're not smart enough to have an actual discussion!
Same statement. Same conclusions. Deal with it. Be responsible.

But wait, that's not part of 'hope and change' is it?

“JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD!!”

Since: Nov 07

Repent and trust Jesus!

#33 Nov 22, 2009
smart ass wrote:
To all the folks who put all there faith in the siences, ARE YOU STUPID OR WHAT?????!!!!! Since when have scientist ever gotten anything right? Examples: The earth is flat, we are the center of the universe, we are the center of the galaxy, we are the center of the solar system, DDT's wont hurt you or cause birth defects, lead paint is perfectly safe to use, aspestice is safe, the earth is warming, bleading you with leeches will make you healthy, etc... I could go on forever!!! Our scientists havnt got a clue as to how we came to be. If you listen to them we all come from a giant rock from outer space. There track record with giving us the facts and not speculation is dismall at best. Wether tou beleave in God being our creater or not its pretty hard to convince me that someone didnt create all this. At least the bible is fairly consistant were as scientists are constantly changing there facts all the time.
The main problem I have with science is that when a mistake is made or a ruse is discovered, brontosaurus for example, those errors/mistakes/deceptions are never again discussed. It's as if they never happened.

Kinda like the meteorite killed the dinosaurs theory. Now debunked. But then Creationists from day one said why was it only the dinosaurs that died from this supposed meteorite? Now the groupthink among scientists agree, and on to the next theory.
Neocons are cowards

Buffalo, NY

#34 Nov 22, 2009
Hesed wrote:
<quoted text>Same statement. Same conclusions. Deal with it. Be responsible.
But wait, that's not part of 'hope and change' is it?
And there we have it, You are nothing but a cowardly conservative. You lost..GET OVER IT!
Neocons are cowards

Buffalo, NY

#35 Nov 22, 2009
Hesed wrote:
<quoted text>
The main problem I have with science is that when a mistake is made or a ruse is discovered, brontosaurus for example, those errors/mistakes/deceptions are never again discussed. It's as if they never happened.
Kinda like the meteorite killed the dinosaurs theory. Now debunked. But then Creationists from day one said why was it only the dinosaurs that died from this supposed meteorite? Now the groupthink among scientists agree, and on to the next theory.
This is exactly the problem with religious freaks, they dont take the time to actually look at the bible, its history, and teh reasons teh stories are even there. God did NOT write the bible, man did, and it has been changed many times.

You are correct that the Bible remains constant, and that is part of the problem normal people have with it. When a scientific theory is proven wrong, scientists further study the theory for the correct answer. If you question religion you are told to have faith...or threatened with eternal hellfire...its quite cowardly really

The story of adam and eve was added to the bible by the emporer Constantine because it was a popular story and he was trying to sell his new found religion.

King James (hence the king james version) had the bible rewrietten to suit his own needs. Twice he didnt like the way it read so he BEHEADED the bishops in charge of the project...sounds like divine intervention huh?

As far as Dinosaurs, its odd teh bible has no mention of them huh? It could be that man and dinosaures never existed at the same time, or is it moree likely that the people who wrote the bible forgot thise 4 story tall animals that would try to eat you?

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#36 Nov 22, 2009
sue wrote:
<quoted text>Isiah chapter 40 verse 22. As far as science is concerned the scriptures are right on.
Then explain the Inquisitions treatment of Galileo..Galileo's championing of Copernicanism was controversial within his lifetime, when a large majority of philosophers and astronomers still subscribed (at least outwardly) to the geocentric view that the Earth is at the centre of the universe. After 1610, when he began publicly supporting the heliocentric view, which placed the Sun at the centre of the universe, he met with bitter opposition from some philosophers and clerics, and two of the latter eventually denounced him to the Roman Inquisition early in 1615. Although he was cleared of any offence at that time, the Catholic Church nevertheless condemned heliocentrism as "false and contrary to Scripture" in February 1616,[10] and Galileo was warned to abandon his support for it—which he promised to do. When he later defended his views in his most famous work, Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, published in 1632, he was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy," forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#37 Nov 22, 2009
sue wrote:
<quoted text>No they dont, they cant even agree with each other. No one really knows how old the planet is.
Maybe not exactly. But it's way more than ten thousand years.
Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#38 Nov 22, 2009
sue wrote:
<quoted text>No they dont, they cant even agree with each other. No one really knows how old the planet is.
No one can pinpoint the day or year, certainly. But we know the Universe is AT LEAST 13 billion years old: http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/08/18/new....

We can actually look back in time and SEE what it looked like! Unbelievable. To me, that only cements my faith, and lets me know what an amazing wonder God's creation is.

Only fundie Christians close their eyes and try to deny it all. And if "no one" knows how old the planet is, why is it that only fundie Christians insist that it's less than 10,000 years old-- when EVERY scientist disagrees with that ridiculous claim?
Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#39 Nov 22, 2009
sue wrote:
<quoted text>The scripures are consistent. Man cannot create he can only take what is here already and make something new with what is already here. As for evolving it suggests that things evole for the better, if you just look around you can see that everything goes into a state of decay. You get old, your car wears out, we are certainly not any smarter than people of past ages. WE have only tapped into resources that are available to us on the earth already and made them to work togather we have actually created nothing.
You don't even know the difference between aging and evolving!!

Let me ask you this: if nuclear medicine, bridges, indoor plumbing, vaccines, airplanes, etc. all were "already here", and so we've "created nothing"... as you oddly claim-- then what tools did we use to uncover such things?

Did those tools come from the Bible-- which you present as an infallible "scientific" text?

Or did they come from scientific research and experimentation, which does NOT refute the existence of God, but clearly refutes much of the "history" or "science" contained in the Bible?
Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#40 Nov 22, 2009
sue wrote:
The bible is the instruction manuel for life. But dont we all like to try to put something together without reading the directions?
It is the instruction manual for how to live your life.

Claiming it is a guidebook for science is simply foolhardy.
Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#41 Nov 22, 2009
Hesed wrote:
<quoted text>
The main problem I have with science is that when a mistake is made or a ruse is discovered, brontosaurus for example, those errors/mistakes/deceptions are never again discussed. It's as if they never happened.
Kinda like the meteorite killed the dinosaurs theory. Now debunked. But then Creationists from day one said why was it only the dinosaurs that died from this supposed meteorite? Now the groupthink among scientists agree, and on to the next theory.
That's simply not true. One can easily find major clarifications/corrections to scientific research. Many of them appear in introductory textbooks.

Where/when can one find such retractions on inaccuracies from the Bible? Because we all know there are outright contradictions contained within it.

But most believers don't care, as we understand the notion (and the power) of metaphor, particularly in the OT.

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