David Briggs: Study: Rising Religious Tide in China Overwhelms Atheist Doctrine

Jan 22, 2011 Full story: The Huffington Post 16

One of the last great efforts at state-sponsored atheism is a failure. And not just any kind of failure.

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Since: Sep 10

Earth

#1 Jan 23, 2011
Yet another christard makes the false equivalency of "atheism = communism". The Chinese government are communists, not atheists. Communism is an ideology, atheism is an absence of ideology.

Religions are ideologies, no different than communism, which is why they so strongly oppose one another: they are competing for control of societies for money, sex and power, whereas atheists seek individual freedom and personal responsibility.

The most anti-religious states are religious states - those that seek to eliminate and prevent competing religions, but especially to prevent free thinking. Some communist countries (Vietnam, Laos) have more religious freedom than the US claims to.

And to no surprise, the chirstard is yet another reichwingnut who spews bullshit without an email address to respond to - and he posts his drivel on the internet equivalent of birdcage liner, the Snuffington Compost.

This *might* be a place where you can give feedback, but like most cowards who hide from their words, Briggs is unlikely to read any replies, or has a screener who does it for him.

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boondock saint

United States

#2 Jan 23, 2011
Can we get a list of gun's/knives you may own or have access to ? Your state and county ? Past/present med's/evaluation's ? Thank's.

Since: Oct 10

Saint George, UT

#3 Jan 23, 2011
P_Smith wrote:
"atheism is an absence of ideology."..."wherea s atheists seek individual freedom and personal responsibility."
It's rather odd that you say atheism is an absence of ideology then give an ideology for atheists in the next paragraph. Atheists don't do anything. Atheists only don't do God, otherwise, an atheist can be against individual freedom and personal responsibility if they want to.
redneck

Selma, OR

#4 Jan 23, 2011
boondock saint wrote:
Can we get a list of gun's/knives you may own or have access to ? Your state and county ? Past/present med's/evaluation's ? Thank's.
You sound very familiar with these questions.
boondock saint

United States

#5 Jan 23, 2011
redneck wrote:
<quoted text>You sound very familiar with these questions.
Anyone watching the news in the last couple of week's would be "familiar with these questions". Unless you found logic and sanity in his post ?

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#6 Jan 23, 2011
boondock saint wrote:
Can we get a list of gun's/knives you may own or have access to ? Your state and county ? Past/present med's/evaluation's ? Thank's.
Ah, the typical non sequitur of the religious:

Don't address the point, attack the speaker, especially when the argument is valid and religion has no response.
boondock saint

United States

#8 Jan 24, 2011
P_Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, the typical non sequitur of the religious:
Don't address the point, attack the speaker, especially when the argument is valid and religion has no response.
"Ah, the typical non sequitur of the religious:" Are you sure of that, or just assuming ?

"Don't address the point, attack the speaker, especially when the argument is valid and religion has no response." Same could be said of you and me, right ? In his mind it was a valid point, just as what you said is a valid point in your mind. Tell me your source that makes him a "christard" and a "reichwingnut", or was that some more of the assuming ? Tell me how many "christard's" you would like to convert, sorry I meant educate, to your belief's ? Atheist= must not believe in god. Christian's= must believe in god. Big difference, right ? In the end all you want is a christian you can insult and try to convert, sorry I said that word again, educate.

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Since: Dec 10

Infinidox - infinite paradox

#9 Jan 24, 2011
I believe at the time when Mao took over China and removed religion and tradition that it was necessary in order to save his country. China was so bogged down in its traditions that it was unable to change course. Now that the course has been altered these things can once again be allowed to flourish.

However, I think some kind of Chinese Buddhism would be the most likely beneficiary. Christianity is pretty childish, IMO.

What is the name of God? Is it not I AM?
redneck

Glendale, OR

#10 Jan 24, 2011
boondock saint wrote:
<quoted text>"Ah, the typical non sequitur of the religious:" Are you sure of that, or just assuming ?
"Don't address the point, attack the speaker, especially when the argument is valid and religion has no response." Same could be said of you and me, right ? In his mind it was a valid point, just as what you said is a valid point in your mind. Tell me your source that makes him a "christard" and a "reichwingnut", or was that some more of the assuming ? Tell me how many "christard's" you would like to convert, sorry I meant educate, to your belief's ? Atheist= must not believe in god. Christian's= must believe in god. Big difference, right ? In the end all you want is a christian you can insult and try to convert, sorry I said that word again, educate.
You insult yourself. Atheist don't 'convert' people. We will share what we know and you will open your mind or not.Godbots do conversions.
boondock saint

United States

#11 Jan 24, 2011
redneck wrote:
<quoted text>You insult yourself. Atheist don't 'convert' people. We will share what we know and you will open your mind or not.Godbots do conversions.
OK ?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12 Jan 25, 2011
Terrence747 wrote:
What is the name of God? Is it not I AM?
Isn't that Popeye?

&fe ature=related [6:05 cartoon : Popeye The Sailor 002 - I Yam What I Yam]

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Since: Nov 08

Hebei, China

#14 Jan 26, 2011
I love this "article" and I love the "findings"! This paragraph sums it up nicely!
"No more than 15 percent of adults in the world's most populous country are "real atheists." 85 percent of the Chinese either hold some religious beliefs or practice some kind of religion, according to the Chinese Spiritual Life Survey."
My father-in-law died. I can report that, using the same benchmark, 100% if the people who came to the funeral "hold some religious belief." Now go to a funeral in your home town. Wow! The same thing!
Your country now has 100% of people with a religious belief!
Under the wife’s' pillow is a plastic sword and in the sunroom there is an alter that gets a meal and the three incense sticks. Every so many days she travels to thee village to burn some "money" for her dad.
The death of communitism is at hand!!!!
Every time we travel every temple, regardless of which religion it is, gets the incense sticks and the bowing and the few yuan in the box!!
Why? Not because she is part of the "Growing tide of religion" but because she is Chinese.
She actually doesn't believe in any of it. But she is just covering the possibility she is wrong!
This is the case with most Chinese.
My point.
Have you ever meet a religious person who thought they might be wrong?
Case closed!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15 Jan 27, 2011
Terrence747 wrote:
I believe at the time when Mao took over China and removed religion and tradition that it was necessary in order to save his country. China was so bogged down in its traditions that it was unable to change course. Now that the course has been altered these things can once again be allowed to flourish.
However, I think some kind of Chinese Buddhism would be the most likely beneficiary. Christianity is pretty childish, IMO.
What is the name of God? Is it not I AM?
And yet... Mao was deeply superstitious-- a spiritualist. He firmly believed his ancestors guided him and made him successful. Not much of an atheist-- more of a believer-type. Just because he did not embrace a Western religion, does not automatically an atheist make him.

Chinese culture has always embraced ancestor worship, and only the thinnest layer of Western Religiosity.

It's hardly surprising that Mao would return to the original Chinese religion of ancestor-worship, spiritually.

Chinese == Atheism? Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16 Jan 27, 2011
uncle fargo wrote:
I love this "article" and I love the "findings"! This paragraph sums it up nicely!
"No more than 15 percent of adults in the world's most populous country are "real atheists." 85 percent of the Chinese either hold some religious beliefs or practice some kind of religion, according to the Chinese Spiritual Life Survey."
My father-in-law died. I can report that, using the same benchmark, 100% if the people who came to the funeral "hold some religious belief." Now go to a funeral in your home town. Wow! The same thing!
Your country now has 100% of people with a religious belief!
Under the wife’s' pillow is a plastic sword and in the sunroom there is an alter that gets a meal and the three incense sticks. Every so many days she travels to thee village to burn some "money" for her dad.
The death of communitism is at hand!!!!
Every time we travel every temple, regardless of which religion it is, gets the incense sticks and the bowing and the few yuan in the box!!
Why? Not because she is part of the "Growing tide of religion" but because she is Chinese.
She actually doesn't believe in any of it. But she is just covering the possibility she is wrong!
This is the case with most Chinese.
My point.
Interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing your direct experience.
uncle fargo wrote:
Have you ever meet a religious person who thought they might be wrong?
Case closed!
Oh, true that!

The vast majority of non-believers? Are happy to agree, "there is probably no god".

Whereas the religious, >>insist<< that not only >>is<< there a god? But that god is their own personal god...!

Talk about hubris...

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Since: Nov 08

Hebei, China

#17 Jan 27, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing your direct experience.
<quoted text>
Oh, true that!
The vast majority of non-believers? Are happy to agree, "there is probably no god".
Whereas the religious, >>insist<< that not only >>is<< there a god? But that god is their own personal god...!
Talk about hubris...
There are two things to think about. One: You accept the point that "they" are "right" and the other 99% are "wrong" or Two: you accept that something 99% wrong might be 100% wrong! I uaually say "the pope dosen't believe in the 10,000 of other peoples gods. I believe in one less god than he does."

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#18 Jan 28, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet... Mao was deeply superstitious-- a spiritualist. He firmly believed his ancestors guided him and made him successful. Not much of an atheist-- more of a believer-type. Just because he did not embrace a Western religion, does not automatically an atheist make him.
Chinese culture has always embraced ancestor worship, and only the thinnest layer of Western Religiosity.
It's hardly surprising that Mao would return to the original Chinese religion of ancestor-worship, spiritually.
Chinese == Atheism? Fail.
Until a "god" is proven to exist, religion is nothing more than an ideology. Communism is also an ideology, and both use force to attain and maintain their power over the general populace.

Atheism is an absence of ideology, and yet the religious want to falsely associate atheism with communism, to infer and flat out lie that "all atheists are communists".

As I've noted before, the most anti-religious states ARE religious states. They both try to eradicate other religions and ideologies because they don't want competition for money, sex or power. Both religions and communists behave the exact same way and use the exact same methods. As Bertrand Russell once said, they oppose each other so strongly because they are so similar.

There's no difference in dogma or tactics of religion or communism, only who they pretend to be working for - "saviours", "prophets" or "the workers". And just as christians completely ignore the "sermonon the mount" of their mythical cheezus chrispy, the communist leaders do things for their own selfish interests, not for the good of their people. Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

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