12-year-old genius at work

12-year-old genius at work

There are 23 comments on the Indianapolis Star story from Mar 28, 2011, titled 12-year-old genius at work. In it, Indianapolis Star reports that:

Jake taught himself algebra, geometry, trigonometry and calculus in 2 weeks. He's studying physics at IUPUI.

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Since: Jan 07

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#1 Mar 28, 2011
This child with asperger's can be any one's child. You just never know what abilities a child will have, who also has asperger's and it can be which can be quite grand.
Great story!
Sam

Longueuil, Canada

#2 Mar 28, 2011
There are many ignoramus in this world.

Come and I show 1000 of autistics with verbal language walking in diapers, screaming all day long, never able to sleep, constant seizure and list goes on.

Too ignorant to promote autism on a single mild aspergers case which is genetics base.

The others are of regressive autism mainly due to immunization

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#3 Mar 28, 2011
Raymond
Brossard, Canada
Sam
Brossard, Canada

You're not fooling anyone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_ (Internet)
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

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#4 Mar 28, 2011
Sam wrote:
There are many ignoramus in this world.
Come and I show 1000 of autistics with verbal language walking in diapers, screaming all day long, never able to sleep, constant seizure and list goes on.
Too ignorant to promote autism on a single mild aspergers case which is genetics base.
The others are of regressive autism mainly due to immunization
Sam remember this is ASPERGER's syndrome, it is on the autism scale.
I just wanted to say there are people that have on set autisn that can do some amazing things too.
My son can tell you the day of the week you were born on, or the day of the week July 4th 1776 was, he can also tell you what day of the week july 4th is going to be on in 2095,
He will meet you and a lot of times he will ask you your name and birth date and then tell you the day you were born on then he may not see you for 6 or 8 months but you can ask him your name and birth date and he will tell you, I have never seen him be wrong yet.
So these people may have that one thing they can do that we can't.
It amazes me every time I see him do it.
Have a good night.

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#5 Mar 29, 2011
No one was promoting autism directly, mainly it was aspergers however studies have not directly linked all cases of autism or aspergers to genetics. That said, no matter the cause, the symptoms of either autism or aspergers are the same; the criteria is the same so the abilities of either isn't less or more great due to cause.

Leave it to Sam/ Raymond to only see the disability than the ability and only adding negativity to a great article. According to Sam/ Raymond for years, if there isn't screaming and diapers, it isn't autism but that fear factor doesn't scare me and many others away from such a great 12 year old kid.

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#6 Mar 29, 2011
friend wrote:
No one was promoting autism directly, mainly it was aspergers however studies have not directly linked all cases of autism or aspergers to genetics. That said, no matter the cause, the symptoms of either autism or aspergers are the same; the criteria is the same so the abilities of either isn't less or more great due to cause.
Leave it to Sam/ Raymond to only see the disability than the ability and only adding negativity to a great article. According to Sam/ Raymond for years, if there isn't screaming and diapers, it isn't autism but that fear factor doesn't scare me and many others away from such a great 12 year old kid.
People with autism can grow up and live in a group home and hold down a job.[ be on their own to a large extent, with some supervision]
Most of the time they are some of the best workers the CO. will have.
I know where my son works they have to tell him to slow down because the other people on the line can't keep up.
So he runs ahead then goes helps the slower ones.
Have a nice day
josidhf

West Simsbury, CT

#7 Mar 29, 2011
The Rain Man?

It seems like Jake might have been reading up on Project Home 2011.

There is a scientific research project called Project Home 2011 that just recently succeeded with a matter acceleration test where solid mass (stainless steel) was successfuly accelerated to speeds approaching the speed of light on January 1, 2011. By the way, the 2 research colleagues were recruited at ages 12. The project used the research to develop technologies in quantum mechanics, including a magnetic levitation system for a vehicle, and other work in the area of magnetics.

PROJECT HOME 2011 RESEARCH DERIVES NEW THEORY OF THE UNIVERSE:
The quantum and magnetic energy research in Project Home 2011 theorises that space is the only physical medium the universe is made out of, and that matter is clumps of space left over from the 'big bang' that are semi dense clumps of singularity still intact. Project Home 2011's theories derrived by Matthew Mitchel Urquhart and John Obik is that the reason the universe is continually expanding faster without slowing down is because the universe is not an object expanding in a vacuum, but instead a void of thin space forming in a vast singularity space. The expansion of the universe is not slowing down because it is more a 'big rip' of space tearing open in a singularity. This theory from Project Home 2011 also explains how the universe started, as the 'big bang' theory breaks down because the trigger for the big bang to start requires time to elapse, and in a singularity state time stands still. The big rip theory explains this as a vast singularity developed a weak stress point in it where the density of space fell below total singularity that started a rip with time elapsing, forming the universe in this void that continues to rip open inside a vast singularity, and matter is pieces of singularity still floating around within it.
source:

http://projecthome2011.tripod.com
Jacob Barnett explained

West Simsbury, CT

#8 Mar 30, 2011
This Video from the movie Rain Man (1988) explains Jake Barnett:

Frank

West Simsbury, CT

#9 Mar 30, 2011
True.

If he doesn't have something useful, it means nothing. So far he has not proven any of his ideas. Anyone can have an idea, but proving it takes a while, and many people with ideas like that discover they were wrong later.
The people that thought the world was flat, and the astronomers that were convinced in their own minds that the universe revolved around the earth felt stupid when their personal theory was completely wrong. Just like anything, no puplicity is deserved unless a real discovery is made first. Scientists have to build a case, like a court case, to demonstrate their theory has value. This kid hasn't produced anything that can be tested and proven right. He only has an idea about what he personally thinks.Thats true. If he doesn't have something useful, it means nothing. So far he has not proven any of his ideas. Anyone can have an idea, but proving it takes a while, and many people with ideas like that discover they were wrong later. The people that thought the world was flat, and the astronomers that were convinced in their own minds that the universe revolved around the earth felt stupid when their personal theory was completely wrong. Just like anything, no puplicity is deserved unless a real discovery is made first. Scientists have to build a case, like a court case, to demonstrate their theory has value. This kid hasn't produced anything that can be tested and proven right. He only has an idea about what he personally thinks.

A scientific theory only holds up if it is observable, makes accurate predictions, and holds up as long as nothing proves it wrong.

Until he has a real theory that is useful, he is just a kid with a dream. He is special to his parents and his parents just want to make him feel special.

It is a publicity stunt, like the Balloon boy thing in 2009. They shouldn't make any claims that this boy has discovered something unless he really has first. Saying that maybe he will is not good enough for the scientific community.

IQ tests typicly use mathematical reasoning abilities, but not so much reading comprehension, or the ability to use non-mathematical things to solve problems.

Because of the Autism, he probably wouldn't do too well on the SAT. He would probably score high with the math, but have other areas that would be below high school level.

Lets see if they say what kind of SAT score he gets, if they want to reveal that.A scientific theory only holds up if it is observable, makes accurate predictions, and holds up as long as nothing proves it wrong. Until he has a real theory that is useful, he is just a kid with a dream. He is special to his parents and his parents just want to make him feel special. It is a publicity stunt, like the Balloon boy thing in 2009. They shouldn't make any claims that this boy has discovered something unless he really has first. Saying that maybe he will is not good enough for the scientific community. IQ tests typicly use mathematical reasoning abilities, but not so much reading comprehension, or the ability to use non-mathematical things to solve problems. Because of the Autism, he probably wouldn't do too well on the SAT. He would probably score high with the math, but have other areas that would be below high school level. Lets see if they say what kind of SAT score he gets, if they want to reveal that.
Somebodie

Dallas, TX

#10 Mar 30, 2011
Interesting comment, Frank.

Since programs like these have been around since sometime around the late seventies/early eighties at least if not before, I was just wondering - are all of those kids who have attended college at an early age over all of those years a publicity stunt?
Frank

West Simsbury, CT

#11 Mar 30, 2011
No, they demonstrate their ability, and earn the opportunities when they are able to prove their worthiness. They do it by acedemic crudentials, not by someone exploiting them before they ever achieve an accomplishment, if they even ever will.
Somebodie

Dallas, TX

#12 Mar 30, 2011
The Article wrote:
But then, late at night, when the TV is off, the homework is done and everyone in the house is sleeping, the numbers start to percolate again.

They percolate so much that he has trouble sleeping. His parents got so worried a few years ago that they took him for medical tests, but no malady was diagnosed. He just can't fall asleep easily.

"A lot keeps me awake," Jake said. "I scare people."
Jake himself expressed that he has things in his head that he needs to get out, and he is now being given a forum in which to do that.

I don't necessarily see how that equates to being exploited? Unless you have some information about him that tells more about this than the story is telling - in which case I'm sure we would all be interested to know.
Frank

West Simsbury, CT

#13 Apr 1, 2011
The entire story is highly eggadurated. All autistic kids have things going on in their heads that they want to get out. That is what psychiatrists are for.
An example is a claim that he explained why the moons of Mars are shaped the way they are on a tour at an observatory at age 3. Come on. It was undoubtably a situation where he was asked by the tour guide why the moons were shaped the way they are and Jake probably replied with some simple thing like a 3 year old would say, like 'because Mars took them', or something like that, but this event, if it even happened at all, was exadurated to make it sound like a 15 minute lecture by a college professor with a PhD, with a concise explaination that they were asteroids that got cought in the planet's gravity and so on, which the vauge 3-year old reply 'Mars took them' would fit the description. Or perhaps, if it was a standard tour at the observatory, Jake could be returning to take the tour again, like going to see a favorite movie in the theaters a second time, so when asked the question he already knew the answer because he took the same tour before.
Many kids are interested in astronomy but this whole publicity stunt is going a little too far. It's like the Balloon boy in 2009, and you can be sure there are adults and parents pulling the strings behind it, which is exploitation. An autistic kid that age would not be able to self-promote himself like that. The best he could do is post his ideas on a blog or something, and without having any new provable theories, that would not gain him the publicity he got.
If Jake was 32 and claimed to have these ideas in his head, would he be as interesting to the public? Ask yourself that. People just think he's a cute kid. He should not be made out to another Einsein without having anything to show as far as a new theory of the universe. It's pretend.
The scientific community has certain processes for compiling and demonstrating a theory, and that it accurately makes predictions. Look up the definition of "Scientific Method". There are many people that wonder about the Universe and have their own ideas, but you don't go around saying you have achieved something if you haven't. If this kid revealed a new theory, then he can self-acclaim himself all he wants. There would be verification of his claims. So far he has not achieved anything. He has not revealed any mathematical formulas that revolutionalize anything. Many kids and adults have ideas for inventions, but until the inventions are selling on the market and actually work, they are just someone's personal ideas.
Somebodie

Dallas, TX

#14 Apr 1, 2011
So basically, you're taking your perception of this story and presenting your opinion as fact. I see where you're coming from now. Thanks.
Frank

West Simsbury, CT

#15 Apr 1, 2011
No, I was only presenting facts, including the fact that there are the lack of facts about this kid having discovered something. If he has discovered something revolutionary, I would love to hear what he discovered. The only facts I could find is that people in his life admire his obsession with math. Unlike famous scientists who had a similar facination with math but are famous because they contributed something valuable to the world by finding the mathematical solution to wonders of the world that eluded mankind. Jake has done no such thing as far as I can see.
I think the point is that all the emphasis shouldn't be put on this one kid for pondering physics. Like he is the only kid that does. The kids in Project Home 2011 had similar pasts minus the autism, and wondered about the world around them, but didn't gain attention until they had actually achieved something after 3 decades of working there. This Jake thing coming right after that project succeeded with a matter acceleration test January 1 of this year that supported Einstein's relativity theory and found formulas that explain the big bang a whole different way, with the universe as a hole in a singularity instead of a singularity in nothingness. Jake is a kid who is interested in math and physics so like any kid who is interested in something will play with it constantly and get good at it, like playing a video game. Kids that don't do well in math simply don't care for it. If they were facinated by it, they would be math whizes. The bottom line is that Jacob has not discovered anything notable, any more than any other kid. The publicity is treating the kid as if he already has discovered some new law of physics that overturns what we previously thought about the laws of physics. Maybe he has been watching too much Star Trek. There are alot of bright kids out there right now, doing advanced math at very early ages. When is the media going to mention them? Since this kid has autism, this publicity could actualy be harmful to him, as he may end up feeling that he has expectations he now has to live up to, and if he never discovers a new law of physics, it could damage his self worth.
Sam

LĂ©vis, Canada

#16 Apr 1, 2011
friend wrote:
No one was promoting autism directly, mainly it was aspergers however studies have not directly linked all cases of autism or aspergers to genetics. That said, no matter the cause, the symptoms of either autism or aspergers are the same; the criteria is the same so the abilities of either isn't less or more great due to cause.
Leave it to Sam/ Raymond to only see the disability than the ability and only adding negativity to a great article. According to Sam/ Raymond for years, if there isn't screaming and diapers, it isn't autism but that fear factor doesn't scare me and many others away from such a great 12 year old kid.
Aspergers and regressive autism are not the same. They are classified under the same dsmv iv but they are much different.

If you knew anything about science, you would know that cancer has many types. Not all have the same cause. Not all have the same medication.

No wonder research into autism is always biased, partly due to a great confusion of classifying all under the same title autism. Well you can thank our dear psychiatrist, so no one can ever figure out what's what and what is caused by what. Another tactic used explain all by genetics so far fruitless after years and millions of research. Hahaha funny. No wonder no one is immunizing any more, no one trust these morons like Eric fombonne, and the gang....
Sara

West Simsbury, CT

#17 Apr 2, 2011
I see where you are comong from, that Jake could have been moved ahead grades, but couldn't get matriculated to college legally without completing all his required credits. To compare Jacob Barnett to those 2 other kids who were born in the '60s from that project home 2011, who still had to get their GEDs because although John Obik and Matt Mitch Urquhart were both child prodigies recruited for a private investor-funded research project lab at ages 12 in 1979, there are laws that do not allow a post-secondary school to accept a student without a high school diploma. They still had to wait until after turning 18 to take a GED to officially complete high school as credit by examination GED because the law said that there is a minimum 18-year old criteria to take a GED. The research firm paid for both of their college educations after they were accepted to a plethera of colleges only after aquiring their GEDs. Completion of high school credit has to be filled as a pre-requisite to college level courses. Whether these credits are obtained by attendance or by credit-by-examination. Most states require being at least 18 to be allowed to take a GED, therefore Jake could move ahead grades within the first 12 years of school but he could not be formally matriculated to college until at least age 18. Whether he fufilled the hours of coursework by attending high school (after satisfying grade school requirements) or by waiting until age 18 to satisfy high school completion via GED. I am sure Jake is still in school, but I am sure it is some kind of special education program. "Visiting" the college seems to be like a charitiable thing the college is doing for Jake to be supportive of him and nurture his interest in math. I don't think Jacob Barnett is going to the college to build matter accelerators.
This raises another thing to verify, like what Jake's status at this other school is, and what his credentials are, and how he got them and compare and contrast how Jake's credits coincide with the legal requirements for acceptance to a college. He cannot be legally formally matriculated for the reasons described. He was removed from school per the determination of a psychiatrist, not a prominent figure in the science community. Yes, he could be moved ahead grades within public school, but could not leave school to just walk into a college and start attending because he was "bored" with public school. The evidence reflects that Jake had to be taken out of school for reasons not mentioned by the purporters of the story. The meeting of the grade requirements in all of his other subjects other than math, that a college requires credit for, is something else to investigate. Colleges cannot require credit and GPAs for all of these completed courses, and then let a kid matriculate without them, when every other college student does have to have all their credits to matriculate. I'm curious to know the legality of their claim. It needs some digging to get to the truth, so any articles on Jake can tell the true information.

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#18 Apr 2, 2011
Sam wrote:
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Aspergers and regressive autism are not the same. They are classified under the same dsmv iv but they are much different.
No kidding! Really?? That's why I stated right off "No one was promoting autism directly, mainly it was aspergers" specifying the difference.

Also, there is no DSM listing for 'regressive' autism. It's listed as just autism. Regressive is a descriptive word only, just as HF and LF is, but it is not a diagnosis.

No wonder research into autism is always biased, partly due to a great confusion of those who cant comprehend what is written in black and white.
FBOMBER

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Apr 3, 2011
friend wrote:
This child with asperger's can be any one's child. You just never know what abilities a child will have, who also has asperger's and it can be which can be quite grand.
Great story!
This child is showing that whats left of his vaccine damaged brain has become dominant. The part of the brain damaged is involved in language and socialization. It can'e be anybody's child, its a child that was prone to neurological damage when chemically assaulted. There's nothing grand about it unless you have sadistic tendencies and get jollies out of observing a life ruined for profit.
Yeni

West Simsbury, CT

#20 Apr 4, 2011
This is evidently another one of those balloon boy stunts, where a kid is being exploited. It is important to keep in mind that it could be considered fraud if the Barnetts accept any kind of money as a result of the media exposure, implying that Jake has come up with some new theory if he hasn't. It is appearantly true that Jake is interested in and has an aptitude for math. Releasing publicly that information would be truthful and the general public could decide how interested in that they choose to be, but if this publicity and any personal gain by the Barnetts is attributed to a claim that this kid has come up with a new theoury in physics, which is highly unlikely, then any time and money invested in this publicity stunt by people being made to believe this kid has a new theory, would be considered a liability. Many of the blog headlines are worded to say that he has a new theory, and is more intelligent than Albert Einstein. The Barnetts should be careful with this whole thing.

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