Europe unfriendly to Muslims, Princet...

Europe unfriendly to Muslims, Princeton scholar says

There are 16 comments on the The Lantern story from Apr 28, 2009, titled Europe unfriendly to Muslims, Princeton scholar says. In it, The Lantern reports that:

Many Muslims today struggle to integrate into Western society, but those in the U.S. are better off than those in Europe, said Islamic scholar Ralph Ghadban during a lecture Monday at Ohio State.

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joe

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Apr 28, 2009
Can anyone name a country that was better off after it was infected with the islam virus, after islam was invented it started to spread, and took over and ruined every country where it spread.
If they had any brains or gutts they would box up the muslims and ship them back to the sandbox and make sure they stay there, they have nothing positive to offer any other country except hate ,death and murder, of course there is the mandatory sex with the eight year olds, that has to be the reason they are so popular.
Raj

London, UK

#2 Apr 29, 2009
All Islam claims to have given the world it has stolen from other cultures. There is nothing original in Islam. It even stole its religion from Jews.

“Om Shanti”

Since: Dec 08

Arya Varta

#3 Apr 29, 2009
The only thing I like about Islam is.. the brotherhood.

“The Defiant Dhimmi”

Since: Apr 08

Scholar of the Obvious

#4 Apr 29, 2009
"Ghadban said that European law discriminates against Islam. Ghadban, who has lived in Germany for most of his life, said his country does not legally recognize Islam like it does Christianity and Judaism."
I sure would like to see the basis of that statement.

""In all European countries, Muslims receive the least education, yet they are highest population in terms of labor," he said."
Again I say: I sure would like to see the basis of that statement. Are Muslims bared from attending public schools? Or is it a case that Muslims are going to Islamic schools and then blame others for the problem?

"In the United States we do not have an integration problem," he said."
Wait till the Islamic migration flood hits. We are already having problems. It will surly gew wourse.
Mike

St Louis, MO

#5 Apr 29, 2009
I think they even stole the complaint from the Jews..(No offense to the Jews intended)

Rather I see their militancy the cause for the complaint...oh, they don't want our shari'ah law...whaaaa...want some cheese with that whine?
Ian

Taunton, UK

#6 Apr 29, 2009
If you look at the demographics, there are more middle class muslims in the US than European countries e.g. the UK. It's usually fairly easy for middle classes to get along. It's the poor and the ignorant that find it harder.

“The Defiant Dhimmi”

Since: Apr 08

Scholar of the Obvious

#7 Apr 29, 2009
Ian wrote:
If you look at the demographics, there are more middle class muslims in the US than European countries e.g. the UK. It's usually fairly easy for middle classes to get along. It's the poor and the ignorant that find it harder.
Is that personal openion or do you have some stats on that?

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#8 Apr 29, 2009
Wilberhum wrote:
"Ghadban said that European law discriminates against Islam. Ghadban, who has lived in Germany for most of his life, said his country does not legally recognize Islam like it does Christianity and Judaism."
I sure would like to see the basis of that statement.
Well, it IS true that islam is not yet a 'recognised religion' in Germany. However, muslims only very recently ASKED to become a 'recognised religion'. The problem is that they are all 'fighting' with each other which organisation should represent "islam". There are several organisations that claim that title, and they don't agree with each other. In short, the 'scholar' is blaming Germany for something that it has no influence on.
Wilberhum wrote:
""In all European countries, Muslims receive the least education, yet they are highest population in terms of labor," he said."
Again I say: I sure would like to see the basis of that statement.
This statement has little basis. It is true that muslims are generally much less educated than the native population (or most other immigrant groups, for that matter) in most European countries. It is NOT true that they are the largest group in terms of labor. In fact, they are invariably the SMALLEST group in terms of labor. In the UK, France and the Netherlands, muslim immigrants have at least a three times higher unemployment rate. I can't see why that should be completely opposite in the rest of Europe.
Wilberhum wrote:
Are Muslims bared from attending public schools? Or is it a case that Muslims are going to Islamic schools and then blame others for the problem?
Several European countries don't have islamic schools. The problem, as reported by many, is threefold:
1. Most muslim immigrants in Europe come from a very low education background. They hardly ever speak another language other than their own and even then a significant number are at least functionally illiterate in their own language. These people can't help their children with understanding anything about life in their new host country, meaning that 'the street' educates them. And 'the street' is not the right place...

2. In Europe most immigrants are already from the lowest socio-economical class in their country of origin. With the middle class in those countries at similar levels as the lowest classes in their new host countries, they are at the absolute bottom of the bottom. It takes many decades to come out of such a position.

3. Muslims integrate differently than other immigrant groups, in particular on the religious level. European societies(!) are MUCH more secular than those of many other countries, also the USA. For example, a UK prime minister referring to "god" gets annoyed looks, a US president makes an oath invoking "god"!
Wilberhum wrote:
"In the United States we do not have an integration problem," he said."
Wait till the Islamic migration flood hits. We are already having problems. It will surly gew wourse.
A significant difference is also that about half of all American muslims is African-American, and often not muslims by decent.

To think this guy is referred to as a "scholar" is a disgrace...

“Facts, not fiction”

Since: Apr 07

Earth

#9 Apr 29, 2009
Another strange remark by this "scholar":
"Germany is a non-immigration country," he said. "Only a small group of people, after 50 years, can get their citizenship."

Well, especially since 2000 this has changed considerably. For example, German citizenship may be acquired by naturalisation by those with permanent residence who have lived in Germany for 8 years. Additional requirements include an adequate command of the German language and an ability to be self-supporting without recourse to welfare.
Of course, it's the latter two that are a MAJOR hurdle for many of the muslim immigrants in Germany. That and having to give up their original nationality.

“The Defiant Dhimmi”

Since: Apr 08

Scholar of the Obvious

#10 Apr 29, 2009
As always, good insight from Marco.

Thanks
YWN

Tucson, AZ

#11 Apr 29, 2009
Wilberhum wrote:
"Ghadban ...

Christianity and Judaism."
Christianophobia in Europe

http://www.christianophobia.eu/

Antisemitism in Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_...

“The Defiant Dhimmi”

Since: Apr 08

Scholar of the Obvious

#12 Apr 29, 2009
YaWN,
You never keep to a subject, do you.

By the way, You didn't answer my question.
Ian

Taunton, UK

#13 Apr 29, 2009
The logic is that the UK didn't run a points system to get in like the US, Australia, New Zealand does. So we got all sorts of shite. In the UK it is easy to Google that the best achieving children at school are often not indigenous but Indian (usually Hindu) and that many Pakistanis are problematic underachievers.
Wilberhum wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that personal openion or do you have some stats on that?

“The Defiant Dhimmi”

Since: Apr 08

Scholar of the Obvious

#14 Apr 30, 2009
Ian wrote:
The logic is that the UK didn't run a points system to get in like the US, Australia, New Zealand does. So we got all sorts of shite. In the UK it is easy to Google that the best achieving children at school are often not indigenous but Indian (usually Hindu) and that many Pakistanis are problematic underachievers.
<quoted text>
So it is a personal openion.

Thanks for making that clear.
john

Overland Park, KS

#15 May 28, 2009
Just deport them to their homelands and see how they like using a hand instead of toilet tissue.
PATX

San Antonio, TX

#17 May 26, 2014
Most gladly seenCELEBRITY wrote:
Things are changing FAST, though !
Yes it is! You and your MUSLIME ILK are losing ground on a GLOBAL SCALE. And when the bottom completely falls out, I am going to see YOU arrested, indicted, tried, and convicted for CANNIBALISM.

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