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Cornel West on the Election of Barack Obama

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Ric Ricland

“"Same as it ever was..."”

Since: Jan 07

Middletown, OH

#1 Nov 20, 2008
Let's see, after doing everything he could to prevent Obama from becoming president, you'd think this Tom would crawl into a hospital bed and let his prostate cancer do its work.

What? Isn't he still paling around with Rev. Wright?

ricland

spikewebbe

Since: Oct 07

Boston, MA

#2 Nov 20, 2008
Ric Ricland wrote:
Let's see, after doing everything he could to prevent Obama from becoming president, you'd think this Tom would crawl into a hospital bed and let his prostate cancer do its work.
What? Isn't he still paling around with Rev. Wright?
ricland
I thought West was always a fan of Obama. I've seen him on Bill Maher a few times but honestly, I can never understand what West is talking about. He is way too smart for me I guess.
Shiny Cobalt Blue Gumz

Loganville, GA

#3 Nov 20, 2008
Black Dr. Strange!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#5 Nov 23, 2008
spikewebbe wrote:
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I thought West was always a fan of Obama. I've seen him on Bill Maher a few times but honestly, I can never understand what West is talking about. He is way too smart for me I guess.
In fact, Cornel West has been an active--but also CRITICAL supporter--of Barack Obama. I've had conversations with Dr. West on this issue--most recently yesterday when West was in Baltimore.
West was apparently suspicious--and admits he was suspicious--of Obama when the President-elect seem to get so many kudos from the white corporate media. And, as you may know, Tavis Smiley (also present in Baltimore yesterday) had criticized Barack Obama for his declining of an invitation to appear at that State of Black America conference they had some time ago.
But West and (believe it or not) even Jesse Jackson, have worked with and supported the Obama campaign for quite some time.
Very often there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than you can gather from the media.
By the way, West is still both CRITICAL and supportive of Obama. If nothing else, he believed (as does I suppose most sane and rational people)that a McCain administration would be much worse.

I have my own reservations about Barack Obama, though I supported him too. I fear some of my reservations may be confirmed by the pick of people he's choosing for his cabinet. Some of those bastards should probably be in jail.
TheTruth isOut

Monroe, NC

#6 Nov 23, 2008
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
In fact, Cornel West has been an active--but also CRITICAL supporter--of Barack Obama. I've had conversations with Dr. West on this issue--most recently yesterday when West was in Baltimore.
West was apparently suspicious--and admits he was suspicious--of Obama when the President-elect seem to get so many kudos from the white corporate media. And, as you may know, Tavis Smiley (also present in Baltimore yesterday) had criticized Barack Obama for his declining of an invitation to appear at that State of Black America conference they had some time ago.
But West and (believe it or not) even Jesse Jackson, have worked with and supported the Obama campaign for quite some time.
Very often there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than you can gather from the media.
By the way, West is still both CRITICAL and supportive of Obama. If nothing else, he believed (as does I suppose most sane and rational people)that a McCain administration would be much worse.
I have my own reservations about Barack Obama, though I supported him too. I fear some of my reservations may be confirmed by the pick of people he's choosing for his cabinet. Some of those bastards should probably be in jail.
My home town of Memphis has let me down in a big way, and it is both saddening and maddening that it happened this way. Just as New Orleans re-elected the horrificly inept race-baiter Ray Nagin due solely to his skin color, Memphis has done the same thing with their corrupt, morally bankrupt, incompetent, sleezy mayor with a God-complex, Willie Herenton. He was re-elected last night to a fifth term, surviving a virtual three-person race and winning with a plurality (Memphis has no run-offs) that was much less than the combined votes of the second- and third-place finishers.
Here’s a quick background for those of you who don’t know:
Herenton became Memphis’ first black Mayor in 1991. He defeated the incumbent Dick Hackett by 146 votes in a 65% turnout election. Though Willie Herenton had been the Superintendent of the failing Memphis City School System and drove it into the ground, the predominantly black city of Memphis voted for him anyway. He’s been there ever since.
Here are the things that can be attributed to the embarassment of a mayor (and these are merely drops in a bucket):
Failed to insure sound fiscal management of the City of Memphis.
Frequent references to himself in comparison with Jesus.
Failed to address multiple allegations of improprieties regarding Memphis Light Gas and Water (and the only competent person to run MLGW in years was fired by Herenton to be replaced by a corrupt crony who has since been indicted by a federal grand jury on bribery and extortion charges).
Angered citizens to the point of becoming a target of a citizen recall effort.
Done little in response to the significant rise in crime under his leadership, stating that “No mayor in any American city can solve the crime problem.” How would you like a mayor that says “Well, we have too much crime here. That sucks. Deal with it.”?
Stated that those who don’t like the way he has served as mayor can move out of Memphis.
I The mayoral race gave Memphians a chance to craft a Memphis that can be much better than the Memphis that is. But the citizens didn’t want it badly enough.
Here’s my question, a politically incorrect one that has been nagging me for a while now: just what is it about the black community that makes it turn a blind eye to their corrupt, arrogant, incompetent leaders who also happen to be black? Is ethnicity so damned important that results don’t even matter? Whether it’s Ray Nagin, William Jefferson, Willie Herenton,Kwame Kilpatrick , Marion Berry or whomever, it’s like black politicians can just simply do no wrong!
TheTruth isOut

Monroe, NC

#7 Nov 23, 2008
My home town of Memphis has let me down in a big way, and it is both saddening and maddening that it happened this way. Just as New Orleans re-elected the horrificly inept race-baiter Ray Nagin due solely to his skin color, Memphis has done the same thing with their corrupt, morally bankrupt, incompetent, sleezy mayor with a God-complex, Willie Herenton. He was re-elected last night to a fifth term, surviving a virtual three-person race and winning with a plurality (Memphis has no run-offs) that was much less than the combined votes of the second- and third-place finishers.

Here’s a quick background for those of you who don’t know:

Herenton became Memphis’ first black Mayor in 1991. He defeated the incumbent Dick Hackett by 146 votes in a 65% turnout election. Though Willie Herenton had been the Superintendent of the failing Memphis City School System and drove it into the ground, the predominantly black city of Memphis voted for him anyway. He’s been there ever since.

Here are the things that can be attributed to the embarassment of a mayor (and these are merely drops in a bucket):

Failed to insure sound fiscal management of the City of Memphis.

Frequent references to himself in comparison with Jesus.

Failed to address multiple allegations of improprieties regarding Memphis Light Gas and Water (and the only competent person to run MLGW in years was fired by Herenton to be replaced by a corrupt crony who has since been indicted by a federal grand jury on bribery and extortion charges).

Angered citizens to the point of becoming a target of a citizen recall effort.

Done little in response to the significant rise in crime under his leadership, stating that “No mayor in any American city can solve the crime problem.” How would you like a mayor that says “Well, we have too much crime here. That sucks. Deal with it.”?

Stated that those who don’t like the way he has served as mayor can move out of Memphis.

I (and tens of thousands of others, including businesses) took him up on his offer on that last point, and my substantial income and I bask on the lower-taxed, better educated, and overall less effed-up beaches in north Florida. While I most definitely love it here, I do miss home a lot. But I think I miss what Memphis was, not what it is. Yesterday’s mayoral race gave Memphians a chance to craft a Memphis that can be much better than the Memphis that is. But the citizens didn’t want it badly enough.

Here’s my question, a politically incorrect one that has been nagging me for a while now: just what is it about the black community that makes it turn a blind eye to their corrupt, arrogant, incompetent leaders who also happen to be black? Is ethnicity so damned important that results don’t even matter? Whether it’s Ray Nagin, William Jefferson, Willie Herenton, or whomever, it’s like black politicians can just simply do no wrong!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#8 Nov 24, 2008
TheTruth isOut wrote:
<quoted text>
My home town of Memphis has let me down in a big way, and it is both saddening and maddening that it happened this way. Just as New Orleans re-elected the horrificly inept race-baiter Ray Nagin due solely to his skin color, Memphis has done the same thing with their corrupt, morally bankrupt, incompetent, sleezy mayor with a God-complex, Willie Herenton. He was re-elected last night to a fifth term, surviving a virtual three-person race and winning with a plurality (Memphis has no run-offs) that was much less than the combined votes of the second- and third-place finishers.
Here’s a quick background for those of you who don’t know:
Herenton became Memphis’ first black Mayor in 1991. He defeated the incumbent Dick Hackett by 146 votes in a 65% turnout election. Though Willie Herenton had been the Superintendent of the failing Memphis City School System and drove it into the ground, the predominantly black city of Memphis voted for him anyway. He’s been there ever since.
Here are the things that can be attributed to the embarassment of a mayor (and these are merely drops in a bucket):
Failed to insure sound fiscal management of the City of Memphis.
Frequent references to himself in comparison with Jesus.
Failed to address multiple allegations of improprieties regarding Memphis Light Gas and Water (and the only competent person to run MLGW in years was fired by Herenton to be replaced by a corrupt crony who has since been indicted by a federal grand jury on bribery and extortion charges).
Angered citizens to the point of becoming a target of a citizen recall effort.
Done little in response to the significant rise in crime under his leadership, stating that “No mayor in any American city can solve the crime problem.” How would you like a mayor that says “Well, we have too much crime here. That sucks. Deal with it.”?
Stated that those who don’t like the way he has served as mayor can move out of Memphis.
I The mayoral race gave Memphians a chance to craft a Memphis that can be much better than the Memphis that is. But the citizens didn’t want it badly enough.
Here’s my question, a politically incorrect one that has been nagging me for a while now: just what is it about the black community that makes it turn a blind eye to their corrupt, arrogant, incompetent leaders who also happen to be black? Is ethnicity so damned important that results don’t even matter? Whether it’s Ray Nagin, William Jefferson, Willie Herenton,Kwame Kilpatrick , Marion Berry or whomever, it’s like black politicians can just simply do no wrong!
What have your comments to do with my remarks on Cornel West? And if nothing, then why did you post them directly in connection with my comments.
But since you raised the questions you did, maybe I can ask the question--forget about buzz words like politically correct--as to why so many white people vote for corrupt politicians and poseurs like Richard Nixon ( a race baiter), Ronald Reagan, George Bush ( Sr. & Jr). And why do whites far LESS often vote for blacks than blacks vote for whites? Why have whites voted for even rabid racists like Pitchfork Ben Tillman, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace and even David Duke/

Since: Apr 07

Phillyburbs

#10 Nov 24, 2008
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
In fact, Cornel West has been an active--but also CRITICAL supporter--of Barack Obama. I've had conversations with Dr. West on this issue--most recently yesterday when West was in Baltimore.
West was apparently suspicious--and admits he was suspicious--of Obama when the President-elect seem to get so many kudos from the white corporate media. And, as you may know, Tavis Smiley (also present in Baltimore yesterday) had criticized Barack Obama for his declining of an invitation to appear at that State of Black America conference they had some time ago.
But West and (believe it or not) even Jesse Jackson, have worked with and supported the Obama campaign for quite some time.
Very often there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than you can gather from the media.
By the way, West is still both CRITICAL and supportive of Obama. If nothing else, he believed (as does I suppose most sane and rational people)that a McCain administration would be much worse.
I have my own reservations about Barack Obama, though I supported him too. I fear some of my reservations may be confirmed by the pick of people he's choosing for his cabinet. Some of those bastards should probably be in jail.
Interesting post...

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#11 Nov 24, 2008
Knoxxie wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting post...
DEMOCRACY NOW had an interview with Cornel West on the election of Barack Obama. It is dated November 19, 2008. You can find it on www.democracynow.org/2008/
He is interviewed by Amy Goodman, one of the journalists pre-emptively arrested, during (or just before) the Republican Convention this summer.
You will get a clearer view of his position there.
I've known Cornel West for over 20 years, having met him in the 1980s while I was a student.
Actually there are only a handful of academically trained Black philosophers in America, and so we mostly know each other by name or at least face.
It is quite common of him to be BOTH supportive and CRITICAL. I've also supported Obama, and still do. But I'm not into blind following.
I've read some of Obama's writings, including some stuff on foreign policy. And I must admit that some of it leaves me uneasy.
Nonetheless, I think Obama was the BEST choice both within the Democratic Party, and in comparison with the reactionary team of McCain/Palin.
At the risk of getting the same attacks as did Mrs. Obama, I can say that with the election of brother Barack I am able to feel proud of my country in a way I've not been in a long while.

Ric Ricland

“"Same as it ever was..."”

Since: Jan 07

Middletown, OH

#12 Nov 24, 2008
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
DEMOCRACY NOW had an interview with Cornel West on the election of Barack Obama. It is dated November 19, 2008. You can find it on www.democracynow.org/2008/
He is interviewed by Amy Goodman, one of the journalists pre-emptively arrested, during (or just before) the Republican Convention this summer.
You will get a clearer view of his position there.
I've known Cornel West for over 20 years, having met him in the 1980s while I was a student.
Actually there are only a handful of academically trained Black philosophers in America, and so we mostly know each other by name or at least face.
It is quite common of him to be BOTH supportive and CRITICAL. I've also supported Obama, and still do. But I'm not into blind following.
I've read some of Obama's writings, including some stuff on foreign policy. And I must admit that some of it leaves me uneasy.
Nonetheless, I think Obama was the BEST choice both within the Democratic Party, and in comparison with the reactionary team of McCain/Palin.
At the risk of getting the same attacks as did Mrs. Obama, I can say that with the election of brother Barack I am able to feel proud of my country in a way I've not been in a long while.
You keep wagging your supposed friendship with West in our faces as it's some kind of prove he didn't put knives in Obama's back during the campaign.

Maybe if you explained what West was doing supporting Rev. Jeremiah Wright when Wright was making his world-wide "Obama is a politician; I'm a man of God" tour, you'd be more convincing.

Even noted race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had the common decency to keep their distance from Rev. Wright. Not Cornell West. West was appearing with Wright publicly -- letting the world know he thought the lunatic had things right.

Granted, once the Obama express became unstoppable, West jumped on board and lent his support. Different thing. When Obama needed him the most, West put knives in his back.

That's my point.

ricland

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#13 Nov 25, 2008
Ric Ricland wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep wagging your supposed friendship with West in our faces as it's some kind of prove he didn't put knives in Obama's back during the campaign.
Maybe if you explained what West was doing supporting Rev. Jeremiah Wright when Wright was making his world-wide "Obama is a politician; I'm a man of God" tour, you'd be more convincing.
Even noted race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton had the common decency to keep their distance from Rev. Wright. Not Cornell West. West was appearing with Wright publicly -- letting the world know he thought the lunatic had things right.
Granted, once the Obama express became unstoppable, West jumped on board and lent his support. Different thing. When Obama needed him the most, West put knives in his back.
That's my point.
ricland
First of all, my comments weren't directed at you. I've not responded to your previous comments on Dr. West here because they're little more that gutter level personal invectives. And that's generally about as high as your diminutive mind can reach. And I won't dignify your rantings a rebuttal.
We've all seen your buffoonish performances before. And frankly, I consider you beneath my level.
One thing, however. You've already been denounced a few times in Topix fo being gay. Your silly thread talking about your fascination for gay bars even provoked someone to dedicated a thread to your "coming out." You should be the last person to refer to Dr. West as a "faggot." If you had any sense you wouldn't go there. You begin to look like those politicians who rant against gays, but end up getting caught doing the nasty with other men in public bathrooms
I don't pander to homophobia, and have never attacked on your sexual orientation--only your appalling stupidity.
Kindly return to your gay bars, or to the gutter (which is the level of your conversation).

Since: Apr 07

Phillyburbs

#15 Nov 25, 2008
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>
DEMOCRACY NOW had an interview with Cornel West on the election of Barack Obama. It is dated November 19, 2008. You can find it on www.democracynow.org/2008/
He is interviewed by Amy Goodman, one of the journalists pre-emptively arrested, during (or just before) the Republican Convention this summer.
You will get a clearer view of his position there.
I've known Cornel West for over 20 years, having met him in the 1980s while I was a student.
Actually there are only a handful of academically trained Black philosophers in America, and so we mostly know each other by name or at least face.
It is quite common of him to be BOTH supportive and CRITICAL. I've also supported Obama, and still do. But I'm not into blind following.
I've read some of Obama's writings, including some stuff on foreign policy. And I must admit that some of it leaves me uneasy.
Nonetheless, I think Obama was the BEST choice both within the Democratic Party, and in comparison with the reactionary team of McCain/Palin.
At the risk of getting the same attacks as did Mrs. Obama, I can say that with the election of brother Barack I am able to feel proud of my country in a way I've not been in a long while.
That's interesting that you know Cornel West...

Ric Ricland

“"Same as it ever was..."”

Since: Jan 07

Middletown, OH

#16 Nov 25, 2008
Knoxxie wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting that you know Cornel West...
Why is it interesting anybody knows that little faggot?

When Obama was catching hell from Rev. Wright, Cornell, West was telling us we should listen to Rev. Wright because he made sense.

Why was that necessary? Why didn't he just shut da fuck up?

Rev. Wright is a lunatic, everybody in the world knows that, yet there was West with him at the NAACP conference cheering him on.

But we're the ones at fault. We let these guys get away with their crap. We don't hold them accountable.

And now he's come out with another book about his bullshit porkchop and cornbread view of the world. In this book he reminds you that no matter there's a black president, you're still a no count Negro who white folks are going to continue to oppress.

Insight?

Gimmee a break. The guy is trying to sell books. He's trying to keep that black struggle thing going so he can still be relevant.

And you'll notice at the end of the presidential campaign when it became apparent Obama was going to win, the little faggot stopped his bullshit and started supporting Obama.

These sons-of-a-bitches are unbelievable. Here was Obama trying to save the world from eight more years of Bush and there they were throwing him under boss because he wasn't invoking MLK in all his speeches.

And how about the crap Tavis Smiley pulled?

ricland
MAY

United States

#17 Nov 25, 2008
Ric Ricland wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it interesting anybody knows that little faggot?
When Obama was catching hell from Rev. Wright, Cornell, West was telling us we should listen to Rev. Wright because he made sense.
Why was that necessary? Why didn't he just shut da fuck up?
Rev. Wright is a lunatic, everybody in the world knows that, yet there was West with him at the NAACP conference cheering him on.
But we're the ones at fault. We let these guys get away with their crap. We don't hold them accountable.
And now he's come out with another book about his bullshit porkchop and cornbread view of the world. In this book he reminds you that no matter there's a black president, you're still a no count Negro who white folks are going to continue to oppress.
Insight?
Gimmee a break. The guy is trying to sell books. He's trying to keep that black struggle thing going so he can still be relevant.
And you'll notice at the end of the presidential campaign when it became apparent Obama was going to win, the little faggot stopped his bullshit and started supporting Obama.
These sons-of-a-bitches are unbelievable. Here was Obama trying to save the world from eight more years of Bush and there they were throwing him under boss because he wasn't invoking MLK in all his speeches.
And how about the crap Tavis Smiley pulled?
ricland
I bet Cornel West is really foaming at the mouth over Obama's appointment of Larry Summers to his cabinet.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#19 Nov 25, 2008
Knoxxie wrote:
<quoted text>
That's interesting that you know Cornel West...
Well...I knew him before he became something of a celebrity. Actually, it happened because there are only a handful of academically trained black philosophers in the US.
Ironically, the book that made him famous outside of intellectual circles is RACE MATTERS--not his best book in my opinion.
I think his better books are PROPHESY DELIVERANCE (though I don't share his theological outlook, it's very insightful and learned), POST-ANALYTIC PHILOSOPHY, AMERICAN EVASION OF PHILOSOPHY, and DEMOCRACY MATTERS: WINNING THE FIGHT AGAINST IMPERIALISM.
His latest piece is called HOPE ON A TIGHTROPE. But from the sound of the title, it may be more on the level of RACE MATTERS.
He and I have sometimes served on the same panels at the American Philosophical Association, and have had some occasionally HEATED, but comradely debates.
The Moor

United States

#20 Nov 25, 2008
I have agreed with many observations that Dr. west has made over the years. But I think he needs to back off in this case. He is off base on this one. The reality is you have to be in the game to make a difference not on the side lines.

Since: Jul 08

United States

#21 Nov 25, 2008
I'm surprised at what ricland said as well. Yes he was promoting Obama from what I saw on Youtube. I loved his book "Race Matters".

Since: Apr 07

Phillyburbs

#22 Nov 25, 2008
Ric Ricland wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it interesting anybody knows that little faggot?
When Obama was catching hell from Rev. Wright, Cornell, West was telling us we should listen to Rev. Wright because he made sense.
Why was that necessary? Why didn't he just shut da fuck up?
Rev. Wright is a lunatic, everybody in the world knows that, yet there was West with him at the NAACP conference cheering him on.
But we're the ones at fault. We let these guys get away with their crap. We don't hold them accountable.
And now he's come out with another book about his bullshit porkchop and cornbread view of the world. In this book he reminds you that no matter there's a black president, you're still a no count Negro who white folks are going to continue to oppress.
Insight?
Gimmee a break. The guy is trying to sell books. He's trying to keep that black struggle thing going so he can still be relevant.
And you'll notice at the end of the presidential campaign when it became apparent Obama was going to win, the little faggot stopped his bullshit and started supporting Obama.
These sons-of-a-bitches are unbelievable. Here was Obama trying to save the world from eight more years of Bush and there they were throwing him under boss because he wasn't invoking MLK in all his speeches.
And how about the crap Tavis Smiley pulled?
ricland
Whether you're a big fan of Cornel West or not, you have to admit that the brotha is extremely/highly intelligent. Well, that's just my opinion...

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#24 Nov 26, 2008
sonicyouth wrote:
I'm surprised at what ricland said as well. Yes he was promoting Obama from what I saw on Youtube. I loved his book "Race Matters".
On that Tavis Smiley show--which I believe is the one caught on YouTube, and which I saw when it was featured--West said he had reservations about many of the people surrounding Obama.
But he did say that he thought that Obama was "one brilliant brother" even if he (West) was unsure about his politics. West also stated that we must defend Obama against white supremacist attacks even if we had reservations about Obama.
One has to keep in mind that there is a difference between being a independent thinker not engaged in the political system, and being engaged in the political process.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#25 Nov 26, 2008
The Moor wrote:
I have agreed with many observations that Dr. west has made over the years. But I think he needs to back off in this case. He is off base on this one. The reality is you have to be in the game to make a difference not on the side lines.
Many people would be surprised to learn that Cornel West and even Jesse Jackson--his stupid comment about wanting to cut off Obama's testicles notwithstanding--have been working with the Obama campaign for some time.
West and Obama have had several person-to-person meetings and dialogues for actually quite some time--well before Obama was nominated by the Democratic Party for president ths summer.
We forget nowadays that even Dr. King and Malcolm X had their critics even among supporters and allies.
I supported Obama as did most of my students. But I advise to support NO ONE uncritically.
While I'm still convinced that Obama is/was the best option history offered us, I must still look very carefully at what is happening with his cabinet.
For example, if Obama really is opposed to the big de-regulators who helped create this present economic crisis, what the hell is Larry Summers doing on the team? He represents precisely the economic philosophy that Obama has publicly opposed. We've got to ask those critical questions.

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