Ancient Macedonians - Modern Historians write about their Greekness

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"The Macedonians are and have always been Greeks, and the creation of a “Socialist Republic of Macedonia” with Skopje as capital is only a sad farce." Rene Guerdan (1969), French Historian.

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United Macedonians

Limbach-oberfrohna, Germany

#1 Aug 22, 2010
David H. Levinson, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures:

"It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the great who were related to other Hellenic tribes and the Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians."
United Macedonians

Limbach-oberfrohna, Germany

#2 Aug 22, 2010
Rober Morkot, The Penguin Historical Atlas of ancient Greece. Page 70:

"In the northwest, the peoples of Molossis, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke west Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially “Greeks”. The main difference between Macedonia and the city states of the south was that it was ruled by a king and powerful nobility."
United Macedonians

Limbach-oberfrohna, Germany

#3 Aug 22, 2010
In Homeric times all Greek states were ruled in the same way as the Macedonians of the Classical period.
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN

Bielefeld, Germany

#4 Aug 22, 2010
Macedonians are Greeks.Skopians are titoistic pseudonation. The Yugoslavisation of the Vardar-Bulgarians. Serbophon Slavobulgars .
The macedonian symbol "Vergina sun" is a Symbol for all Greeks:
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/200...

Vergina sun is Greek state emblem of Macedonia:
http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/6ter/key.jsp...
The macedonian language is the greek language.
Macedonian coin!
See "ALEXANDROY" in Greek language.
http://macedonia-evidence.org/images/Main_coi...

See "BASILEWS"
http://www.beastcoins.com/MacedonianKingdom/A...

see "BASILEWS PERSEWS":
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

See "PHILIPPOY"
http://classes.yale.edu/01-02/hums101b/Images...

See "HRAKLEOYS SWTHRAN THASIWN":
http://www.beastcoins.com/Greek/Thrace-Thasos...

See "THESSALONIKEWN"
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/ajax1/br...

See "MAKEDONWN PRWTHS" in Greek language.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/ajax1/10...

See "THESSALONIKI PHILIPPOY BASILISSAN" in Greek language.
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Bios/Thessaloni...

See Dedication by Alexander the Great to Athena Polias. In Greek language!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/ajax1/al...

"Makedonija" is the Greek name "Makedonia" in Serbocroatian!
The Slavobulgars of FYROM have no separate name for Macedonia!

“Makedonia is Hellenic”

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#5 Aug 22, 2010
Were are all the stupid scupis....I thought so
United Macedonians

Chemnitz, Germany

#22 Aug 24, 2010
George Cawkwell (1978)“Philip of Macedon,” Fellow of the University College, Oxford, pp. 22-3"

"The Macedonians were Greeks. Their language was Greek, to judge by their personal names and by the names of the months of the calendar"

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#23 Aug 24, 2010
If Greeks where Macedonians why call for a death penalty for Macedonians?

Deputy Athanassios Plevris of the People's Orthodox Rally (LAOS) party has demanded death penalties for the members of the ethnic Macedonian party "Vinozito" [Rainbow] in Greece and for the Greek Helsinki Watch. This deputy of Yeoryios Karatzaferis' ultranationalist party has sent a written request to Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis and Justice Minister Sotirios Hadjigakis, saying that the "Vinozito" website features "a map of Europe showing Skopje denominated as Macedonia" and that Helsinki Watch, which is financed by the Greek Government, talks about the existence of a Macedonian language. This would be absolutely unacceptable, he describes the language as "Slavic".

http://www.greekrealm.com/forum/politics/6198...

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/1725/4...

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#24 Aug 24, 2010
Panayote Dimitras facing High Treason charges for speaking about Macedonians

Greece has an investigation against me, the charges are “high treason”, because I had spoken about the Macedonians in Greece, says Panayote Dimitras in an interview for BBC Macedonian.
Mr. Dimitras is a member of the Greek Helsinki Monitor.
“I already met the prosecutor and gave my statement. If I end up in Court, the only possible sentence is jail for life.” says Dimitras, a long time campaigner for minority rights in Greece.
This interview was done shortly after the visit of UN Independent minority expert Gay McDougall in Northern Greece. Mr. Dimitras accompanied McDougall on her visit.
Himself and other members of the Greek Helsinki Monitor informed McDougall on all questions regarding her mandate; on the Macedonian, Turkish, religious minorities, including the Roma population, problems with racism and anti-Semitism.

- The message to the UN expert was this: the conditions in Greece are dire, none of the minority groups are represented at any level. In fact, if and when any of these minorities have a complaint, they are frequently attacked by the Media and Government. It’s not just the minorities. Organizations, such as ours that fights for equal rights and promotes rights are being attacked.
If I can use one sentence - Democracy in Greece, came in 1974, it is yet to come for the minorities, says Mr. Dimitras.

Can you describe McDougall’s reaction after she heard the responses from Greek Helsinki Monitor?

- We are not allowed to speak of her reactions. The only thing I can say is, something that she said at a Press Conference in Athens, is that the recommendations and suggestions of the UN Committee, and the Greek Helsinki Monitor would be part of her report. And in those reports is easy to see that Greece negates the existence of Macedonian and Turkish people, as well as the catastrophic situation of our Roma population. I do not doubt for a second that McDougall’s report would be much different than our official position i.e. there are people in Greece who identify themselves differently from the Greeks.

Do you think this visit would change something?
It is difficult to say. Because the European Council and the UN have both recommended Greece change its behavior, but Greece hasn’t done a thing. In fact, it’s worse.
We don’t change anything because we don’t have to fear anything. There are no sanctions against Greece, except for the European Court for Human Rights where we have lost cases, cases that Greece ignores. In this country, if you speak about minorities, you are asking for trouble. This will stay the way it is, until Greece is faced with sanctions.

Do you personally have problems?

- Well, there is a case against me, for high treason because I spoke about the Macedonians. I met the prosecutor, gave my statement. I am facing life in prison if convicted. I am hoping my case wont get to that point, but I have to admit, this is not pleasant for me, at all. Vinozito (Rainbow) is facing similar actions, when a Radical Right Wing party in Parliament asked to press for high treason charges against them. Our Justice Minister accepted the case, is now being forwarded to the Prosecutor.//Interview translated from (Dnevnik)

***YouTube interview in English***
Panayote Dimitras part 1

http://ru.youtube.com/watch...

Panayote Dimitras part 2

http://ru.youtube.com/watch...

In Macedonian
http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/3525/4...

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#25 Aug 24, 2010
All Greeks are imposters in denial of their real heritage!!

Well let’s see who is Greek?

Let’s see what make you a Greek as stated by a priest.

GREEK IDENTITY - WHAT IS GREEK
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

To be Greek threes only one requirement baptism by a Greek priest in a Greek church.

Meaning of the word "GREEK" - Greek constitution 1827
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

THE ALBANIAN CULTURE OF MODERN GREECE! IS THERE ANYTHING HELLENIC ABOUT THE MODERN GREEKS?
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

Greece First President Albanian

First Hellenic Republic (1828-1833)

First Hellenic Republic Governorate

***Excluding Greece’s First President George Konduriottes (1828-1833)***

not noted in any moden text because of Greek political sensitivity about his Albainian

identity as noted by George Finlay, in his book History of the Greek Revolution

Published by W. Blackwood and sons in 1861.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of ...

***According to Ljalja´s findings, 27 out of the 57 former Greek Prime Ministers are of Albanian descent.***

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie ...

The 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey

The Treaty of Lausanne affected the populations as follows: almost all Greeks of Asia Minor including a small Turkish speaking Greek Orthodox population from middle Anatolia (Karamanlides), the Ionia region (e.g. Smyrna, Aivali), the Pontus region (e.g. Trapezunda, Sampsunta), Prusa (Bursa), the Bithynia region (e.g., Nicomedia (İzmit), Chalcedon (Kadıköy), East Thrace, and other regions were either expelled or formally denaturalized from Turkish territory, numbering up to 1.5 million people (for many authors more than 3 million). About 500,000 people were expelled from Crete, predominantly Turks, but including other Muslims, those speaking a Greek dialect intermingled with some Turkish loanwords, Muslim Roma, Pomaks, Cham Albanians, and Megleno-Romanians.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Popu ...

***Why do you hate the Turks so much when half off the Greek populating was born in Turkey?***the only thing they need to become Greek was to be christened?

“"MAKEDONKA"”

Since: Jul 08

Bitola

#26 Aug 24, 2010
p1.
Documents of the Continued Existence of Macedonia and the Macedonian Nation for a period of over 2500 years

What follows are documents that speak of the continued existence of Macedonia and of the Macedonian nation through the last 25 centuries. Macedonia is clearly distinguished from Greece (Hellas), Thrace, Illyria, Bulgaria, Serbia, and the Macedonians are likewise distinguished as distinct nation from the Greeks, Thracians, Illyrians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians, as nation which continued to exist and survive trough the centuries ( makedonika.org ).
500 B.C.- 500 A.D.
Macedonia and the Macedonians as distinct nation in the works of the ancient Greek, Roman, and Jewish historians, as well in the works of the modern German, French, English, American historians.
586 A.D.
From the "Miracles of St. Demetrius of Salonika, I ": "...For if one was to imagine them in a heap, not only the Macedonians gathered in Salonika... Certainly he who inspired the Macedonians with courage..." Mirac. I, 13, p.1285-14; 1313
758-759 A.D.
From the Chronographia of Theophanes the Confessor "That year Constantine plundered the Sclavinii throughout Macedonia and subjugated the rest." Theoph., I, p.430, 21-22.
From the Chronographia Tripertita by Anastasius Bibliothecarius: "In the eighteenth year of his reign, Constantine enslaved the Sclavinii of Macedonia and he subjugated the rest." A. B., p.282, 20-21.
8th Century
From Strabonos Epithomatus: "And now, in that way almost all of Epirus, Hellada, the Peloponnese and Macedonia have also been settled by the Skiti-Slavs." C. Muller, Geographi graeci minores, Paris 1882, p.574.
821-823 A.D.
From the letter of Michael II to the honorable Ludwig: "Thomas...having gathered our barges and dromon, had the opportunity to arrive in (some) parts of Thrace and Macedonia." Mansi, Michaelis Belbi et Theophilii....Florentinae, 1759
904
From On the Capture of Salonika by John Cametinae: "...I introduce you to the same, the great and the first city of the Macedonians..." J.K. Begunov, Kozma Prezviter v slavjanskih literaturah, Sofia 1976, p. 297
First half of 10th C.
From On the Themes by Constantine Porphyrogenitus: "... So from a kingdom Macedonia turned into a province and now it has reached the position of a theme and strategy." C. Porfirogenito, De thematibus, Citta del Vaticano, 1952.
986
Mkz6S

Flushing, NY

#32 Aug 24, 2010
Rosseta stone head the Greeks born in Anatolia before the Turks what you think idiot Anatolia is Greek word from anatoli you was Turkish? Go to school is still time to learn history
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Ptolemaida, Greece

#33 Aug 25, 2010
always Greeks!!!!!!!!!!
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Ptolemaida, Greece

#34 Aug 25, 2010
United Macedonians wrote:
David H. Levinson, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures:
"It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the great who were related to other Hellenic tribes and the Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians."
true!

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#35 Aug 26, 2010
David H. Levinson, Encyclopaedia of World Cultures:

"It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the great who were related to other Hellenic tribes and the Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians."
HELLFIRE

Eastwood, Australia

#38 May 1, 2013
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN wrote:
Macedonians are Greeks.Skopians are titoistic pseudonation. The Yugoslavisation of the Vardar-Bulgarians. Serbophon Slavobulgars .
The macedonian symbol "Vergina sun" is a Symbol for all Greeks:
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/200...
Vergina sun is Greek state emblem of Macedonia:
http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/6ter/key.jsp...
The macedonian language is the greek language.
Macedonian coin!
See "ALEXANDROY" in Greek language.
http://macedonia-evidence.org/images/Main_coi...
See "BASILEWS"
http://www.beastcoins.com/MacedonianKingdom/A...
see "BASILEWS PERSEWS":
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...
See "PHILIPPOY"
http://classes.yale.edu/01-02/hums101b/Images...
See "HRAKLEOYS SWTHRAN THASIWN":
http://www.beastcoins.com/Greek/Thrace-Thasos...
See "THESSALONIKEWN"
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/ajax1/br...
See "MAKEDONWN PRWTHS" in Greek language.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/ajax1/10...
See "THESSALONIKI PHILIPPOY BASILISSAN" in Greek language.
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Bios/Thessaloni...
See Dedication by Alexander the Great to Athena Polias. In Greek language!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/ajax1/al...
"Makedonija" is the Greek name "Makedonia" in Serbocroatian!
The Slavobulgars of FYROM have no separate name for Macedonia!
Correct!

“Macedonian, therefore Greek”

Since: Apr 07

Lychnidos, occupied Macedonia

#39 May 1, 2013
Macedonians' Greekness is obvious and doubtless:

Macedonians have named after Greek names ALL the cities they built or renamed.

As if they knew that, 2500 years later, a bunch of “Macedonian”(that is SlavoSkopian) MALAKES would argue about their doubtless Greekness.

MALAKES !!

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