Seeing beyond the hijab

Aug 23, 2009 | Posted by: Abu Najda | Full story: www.oregonlive.com

To many Muslim women, a headscarf signifies modesty and piety, not subjugation If something is threatening enough to ban from our public schools in Oregon, it's probably worth understanding.

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Aug 23, 2009
 
A well balanced and insightful article. This one would be a good one for the anti-hijab lobby. Hopefully you could learn something.

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Aug 23, 2009
 
I don't care if they want to wear the hijab or not. At least I can see that it's a woman. It's the burka that gives me the creeps!
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Aug 23, 2009
 
I am a female and the HIJAB does not bother me
its the BURKA that bothers me that women have to cover their face. It is a form of SLAVERY whether muslims want to admit it or not because there is NO reason for women to cover their faces your face is NOT a sexual object.
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Aug 23, 2009
 

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Hold up. The quran says not to draw attention to one's womanly self, if the hijab (as the article states) causes both men and women to stare at her, doesn't that defeat the purpose of...not drawing attention to one's womanly self?

A pesky fact. The quran only mentions hair 5 to 8 times, depending on who's version of the quran your're reading. It talks about grey hair, shaved hair, the hair of a date nut, but nothing at all about covering it.

I see hijab as a confrontational political point. Nothing at all to do with islam.

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Aug 23, 2009
 
Abu Najda wrote:
A well balanced and insightful article. This one would be a good one for the anti-hijab lobby. Hopefully you could learn something.
And if a woman wants to disobey her husband and not wear the hijab and such things....
Sura 4:34...admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and BEAT THEM; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Because "Men are the maintainers of women..."
But then that's because women are deficient in intelligence and religion:
"...The women asked, "What is deficient in our intelligence and religion, Messenger of God?" He answered, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in your intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. "This is the deficiency in her religion," he said."

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Aug 24, 2009
 
PeteWaldo wrote:
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And if a woman wants to disobey her husband and not wear the hijab and such things....
You presume here that a woman wears a hijab for the husband and not for God.
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Sura 4:34...admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and BEAT THEM; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
Because "Men are the maintainers of women..."
This is an interesting verse and is often misunderstood. It is read to infer the power or domination of men over women - when in fact the subject is about people's obligations to spend for Allah's sake - something called infaaq.

There is a lot more to this verse, but I do not make a habit of analysing Qur'anic text on Topix.
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But then that's because women are deficient in intelligence and religion:
"...The women asked, "What is deficient in our intelligence and religion, Messenger of God?" He answered, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in your intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. "This is the deficiency in her religion," he said."
Interesting version - what is the reference for this?

For those who think women are deficient, you should meet my wife. That would straighten you out. The women of the ansar were legend for the lack of deficiency.
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Aug 24, 2009
 
Schoolgirls in Hamas-controlled Gaza must wear Islamic attire or face expulsion

Sharia Alert:

Hamas has instructed schoolgirls in the Gaza Strip to wear the jilbab (Islamic long-sleeved dress) and head scarves or face being expelled from school.
The movement has also banned girls from wearing jeans at school.
The latest order follows a similar directive that was issued earlier this month by a local judge requiring all female lawyers who appear in the Gaza Strip's courts to wear the hijab (Islamic head scarf).
The cases are seen in the context of Hamas's efforts to enforce strict Islamic laws throughout the Strip.
Until a few years ago, many Gazan schools endorsed jeans or trousers as an official uniform for girls. But since Hamas seized full control of the Gaza Strip in June 2007, schools have come under intense pressure to force girls to dress in accordance with Islamic rules.
A source in the Hamas-controlled Education Ministry said that his ministry's policy was to allow each school administration to decide on the type of clothes students should wear.
According to the source, the ministry decided this year to exempt all students from wearing school uniforms due to the financial crisis in the Gaza Strip.
"Headmasters and headmistresses have been given a green light to decide on what type of clothes the students should wear," the source said. "In many schools, the administrations, in coordination with the families, decided to impose hijabs and jilbabs on girls."
A veteran journalist in the Gaza Strip said that most girls who returned to schools that reopened on Sunday were seen dressed in traditional Islamic clothes.
He noted, for instance, that at the Maghazi Girls Secondary School in the center of the Gaza Strip, "about 95 percent" of the girls showed up wearing jilbabs.
"The few who came to school wearing jeans were warned that they would be expelled if they did not wear jilbabs," the journalist told The Jerusalem Post....
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Aug 24, 2009
 
Sexual harassment of women in Egypt is on the increase and observing Islamic dress code is no deterrent, according to a survey published this week. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/...

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You presume here that a woman wears a hijab for the husband and not for God.
A fair presumption. In Dearborn Michigan 95% of the Muslim women didn't wear the hijab. Then some Saudi fundamentalists moved into the mosque for a few weeks. By the end of their visit 95% of the women were wearing the hijab.
You think the women all of a sudden got religion?
Trust me. It wasn't by their choice.

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Abu Najda wrote:
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This is an interesting verse and is often misunderstood.
Sure. How could "beat them" mean beat them.
Abu Najda wrote:
It is read to infer the power or domination of men over women - when in fact the subject is about people's obligations to spend for Allah's sake - something called infaaq.
I see. So Muslim men don't dominate their wives. I guess that's why the new law passed in Syria that women have to submit to their wives.
Maybe it would help you if you.
"They should not be in front of the children, they should not cause bleeding, they should not break bones, they should not be on the face...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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There is a lot more to this verse, but I do not make a habit of analysing Qur'anic text on Topix.
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Interesting version - what is the reference for this?
al-Bukhari, Haidh 6; Muslim, Iman 132; Abu Dawud, Sunna 15; al-Tirmidsi, Iman 6; Ibn Maja, Fitan 19; Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 2:67.
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For those who think women are deficient, you should meet my wife. That would straighten you out.
You are addressing Muslims with that, not kuffaar. We don't have a problem crediting women with intelligence. That's your god.
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The women of the ansar were legend for the lack of deficiency.
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Abu Najda wrote:
For those who think women are deficient, you should meet my wife. That would straighten you out.

Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said,'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said,'Yes.' He said,'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"

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Aug 24, 2009
 
"To many Muslim women, a headscarf signifies modesty and piety, not subjugation"

And it is obvious that To many Muslim women, a headscarf signifies subjugationn not modesty and piety.

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Aug 24, 2009
 
Wilberhum wrote:
"To many Muslim women, a headscarf signifies modesty and piety, not subjugation"
And it is obvious that To many Muslim women, a headscarf signifies subjugationn not modesty and piety.
Indeed. "A woman's paradise is under her husband's foot."
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Mohammed and his MALE followers were perfectly prophesied:

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women....
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/women_in_islam....
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Aug 24, 2009
 
Gotta wonder how insecure Abu would get if his wife decided to shove the hijab up his hadith.

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Aug 31, 2009
 
george whyte wrote:
Schoolgirls in Hamas-controlled Gaza must wear Islamic attire or face expulsion
Sharia Alert:
Hamas has instructed schoolgirls in the Gaza Strip to wear the jilbab (Islamic long-sleeved dress) and head scarves or face being expelled from school.
The movement has also banned girls from wearing jeans at school.
The latest order follows a similar directive that was issued earlier this month by a local judge requiring all female lawyers who appear in the Gaza Strip's courts to wear the hijab (Islamic head scarf).
The cases are seen in the context of Hamas's efforts to enforce strict Islamic laws throughout the Strip.
Until a few years ago, many Gazan schools endorsed jeans or trousers as an official uniform for girls. But since Hamas seized full control of the Gaza Strip in June 2007, schools have come under intense pressure to force girls to dress in accordance with Islamic rules.
A source in the Hamas-controlled Education Ministry said that his ministry's policy was to allow each school administration to decide on the type of clothes students should wear.
According to the source, the ministry decided this year to exempt all students from wearing school uniforms due to the financial crisis in the Gaza Strip.
"Headmasters and headmistresses have been given a green light to decide on what type of clothes the students should wear," the source said. "In many schools, the administrations, in coordination with the families, decided to impose hijabs and jilbabs on girls."
A veteran journalist in the Gaza Strip said that most girls who returned to schools that reopened on Sunday were seen dressed in traditional Islamic clothes.
He noted, for instance, that at the Maghazi Girls Secondary School in the center of the Gaza Strip, "about 95 percent" of the girls showed up wearing jilbabs.
"The few who came to school wearing jeans were warned that they would be expelled if they did not wear jilbabs," the journalist told The Jerusalem Post....
So what? My daughter wears a jilbab. Big deal.
if Hamas as the democratically elected government of the people want to make a dress code legal/ illegal - that is their business.

Why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

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george whyte wrote:
Abu Najda wrote:
For those who think women are deficient, you should meet my wife. That would straighten you out.
Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said,'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said,'Yes.' He said,'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"
Lol. George - I should take you in Manchester for some curry - or some arab food. I know a great place.

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george whyte wrote:
Abu Najda wrote:
For those who think women are deficient, you should meet my wife. That would straighten you out.
Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said,'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said,'Yes.' He said,'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'"
By the by - I wasn't talking bout sending her to court!

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Aug 31, 2009
 
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Gotta wonder how insecure Abu would get if his wife decided to shove the hijab up his hadith.
She wears a hijab out of her own choice. If she took it off, it would be between her and God.

I don't understand the rest of your post. I think you are trying to be funny. Doesn't bode well for your book when it gets here ...
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Aug 31, 2009
 
I believe the hijab actually frees women. You don't have to wear it as a non-muslim, but muslim women are required to wear it. I think it gives women privacy to her body instead of all people seeing her. It also increases women's self-esteem because she doesn't feel others will judge her body for being a certain way.There are many benefits to wearing a hijab. I do wear a hijab.Hijab simply means a clothing that fits 6 criteria. It must be loose, not perfumed, not transparent, not resembling clothing of men, not too fancy as to attract opposite gender...among others.

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Aug 31, 2009
 
"I believe the hijab actually frees women."

"muslim women are required to wear it."

Wow, you are that stupid, aren't you?

Being forced to ware an article of clothing sets you free.

This has got to take the "Stupid Statement of the Day" Award.

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