New mathematics research proves there...

New mathematics research proves there's plenty of time for evolution

There are 223 comments on the www.physorg.com story from Dec 14, 2010, titled New mathematics research proves there's plenty of time for evolution. In it, www.physorg.com reports that:

A new mathematical model developed by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania has offered even more evidence of the correctness of evolutionary theory.

“In the paper, these ideas are precisely quantified, according to this model, and the extent of the speedup is found. It is enormous, and shows that there is indeed plenty of time for evolution."

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Since: Dec 06

Saint Petersburg, FL

#1 Dec 15, 2010
Nice. One more baseless argument of the creationists officially refuted.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#2 Dec 15, 2010
Wonder whether our resident mathematics "expert", Eugene Shubert, will have an opinion on this research.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#3 Dec 15, 2010
I thought the 'hacker/spy' analogy was interesting. A correct genetic 'guess' has a survival advantage. Neat way to phrase it.
Mike TO
#4 Dec 15, 2010
New mathmatics should prove something that is established according to definate rules, I'm not confident that Evolution fits this billing.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#5 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
New mathmatics should prove something that is established according to definate rules, I'm not confident that Evolution fits this billing.
So, what "something" do you propose as an "alternative"?

BTW, anything that requires saying "and then magic happened" DEFINITELY is NOT established according to definite rules.
Mike TO
#6 Dec 15, 2010
MIDutch wrote:
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So, what "something" do you propose as an "alternative"?
BTW, anything that requires saying "and then magic happened" DEFINITELY is NOT established according to definite rules.
SCPID.
Mike TO
#7 Dec 15, 2010
A combination of qualities forming a consistent arrangement is what we see as a rule, and these patterns are repeated over and over again in systems throughout our world and universe. All life has been following instructions from the beginning. At no point was the universe or our planet started from deficient elements without modifying elements included. Evolutionist seem to insist on the idea that everything started from simplicity.
MIDutch

Waterford, MI

#8 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
<quoted text>SCPID.
Sorry, that doesn't count. That is merely your own personal delusion of scientific relevance.

Since: Nov 08

Boise, ID

#9 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
Evolutionist seem to insist on the idea that everything started from simplicity.
No, that is what the evidence insists. For example, the cosmic microwave background demonstrates that about 300,000 years after the beginning of our universe the majority of the universe was made up of just hydrogen with some helium and traces of lithium. That's it. Very simple. The universe didn't even have any elements heavier than lithium until the first wave of supernovae exploded. Prior to the CMB you couldn't even find complete atoms with a nucleus and electrons.

Since: Dec 06

Saint Petersburg, FL

#10 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
<quoted text>SCPID.
Given that nothing, from biology to math, supports SCPID (Stupid Creationist Pretense of Intelligent Design?), you don't have much of a point.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#11 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
New mathmatics should prove something that is established according to definate rules, I'm not confident that Evolution fits this billing.
We still don't care, BB.
Mike TO
#12 Dec 15, 2010
I could not get my phone to send a reply to some of the comments, so I will try here. The Big Bang model suggest that the very first stage in the development of the universe was HOT and it was a fog of hydrogen plasma and the radiation left over from the first event is the electromagnetic radiation filling the universe from this hot to cooler initial condition of expansion. This model may be in error with its claim of just hydrogen white-hot fog being first. Patterns of regular and specific uniform distribution suggest an ordered beginning. As to mathmatics and how scales of measurement can be made according to definate patterns that are continuous and propagating everywhere, I would think that nature can be examined in an orderly fashion and some expert in mathematics will explain this to us at some point.

Since: Dec 06

Saint Petersburg, FL

#13 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
I could not get my phone to send a reply to some of the comments, so I will try here. The Big Bang model suggest that the very first stage in the development of the universe was HOT and it was a fog of hydrogen plasma and the radiation left over from the first event is the electromagnetic radiation filling the universe from this hot to cooler initial condition of expansion. This model may be in error with its claim of just hydrogen white-hot fog being first. Patterns of regular and specific uniform distribution suggest an ordered beginning. As to mathmatics and how scales of measurement can be made according to definate patterns that are continuous and propagating everywhere, I would think that nature can be examined in an orderly fashion and some expert in mathematics will explain this to us at some point.
"Patterns of regular and specific uniform distribution suggest an ordered beginning."
----No, they don't.

"As to mathmatics and how scales of measurement can be made according to definate patterns that are continuous and propagating everywhere, I would think that nature can be examined in an orderly fashion and some expert in mathematics will explain this to us at some point."
-----More utter nonsense with no basis in science or math. Inventing "patterns" from what we see in the universe indicates nothing more than...you are able to invent patterns when you want to see them. Now do go and try to catch that cute little bunny rabbit in the clouds..or wait, is it a puppy dog? A dragon maybe?

Since: Nov 08

Boise, ID

#14 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
This model may be in error with its claim of just hydrogen white-hot fog being first. Patterns of regular and specific uniform distribution suggest an ordered beginning.
The pattern is a non-uniform distribution of matter which would only take very tiny fluctuations in density distribution to create.

As to mathmatics and how scales of measurement can be made according to definate patterns that are continuous and propagating everywhere, I would think that nature can be examined in an orderly fashion and some expert in mathematics will explain this to us at some point.
So you think you can do something based on your fantasies? Wow, amazing.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#15 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
I could not get my phone to send a reply to some of the comments, so I will try here. The Big Bang model suggest that the very first stage in the development of the universe was HOT and it was a fog of hydrogen plasma and the radiation left over from the first event is the electromagnetic radiation filling the universe from this hot to cooler initial condition of expansion. This model may be in error with its claim of just hydrogen white-hot fog being first. Patterns of regular and specific uniform distribution suggest an ordered beginning. As to mathmatics and how scales of measurement can be made according to definate patterns that are continuous and propagating everywhere, I would think that nature can be examined in an orderly fashion and some expert in mathematics will explain this to us at some point.
So some maths dude may explain this at some point in the future.

But you're not a maths expert therefore you cannot explain it.

And no maths expert has been able to explain it so far.

Ergo, you have no solid foundation for your Stupid Crapp Poopy Intelligent Design claims.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seminole, FL

#16 Dec 15, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
I could not get my phone to send a reply to some of the comments, so I will try here. The Big Bang model suggest that the very first stage in the development of the universe was HOT and it was a fog of hydrogen plasma and the radiation left over from the first event is the electromagnetic radiation filling the universe from this hot to cooler initial condition of expansion. This model may be in error with its claim of just hydrogen white-hot fog being first. Patterns of regular and specific uniform distribution suggest an ordered beginning. As to mathmatics and how scales of measurement can be made according to definate patterns that are continuous and propagating everywhere, I would think that nature can be examined in an orderly fashion and some expert in mathematics will explain this to us at some point.
Neither the background radiation nor the distribution of matter is uniform.
Mike TO
#17 Dec 16, 2010
In answer to the comment that the pattern is a non-uniform distribution of matter. This depends on what "is" is and how we define uniform. SCP does claim that matter was scattered as if sown, and specific patterns of radiation are emitted by bodies in space and absorbed by other bodies and so on, and this energy transfer is an arrangement that is repeated and propagated and passed on as patterns to successive cycles. The process has been spread out through the expanse of the cosmos, and it has been made firm as a rule. Everything in our entire universe has self similarity and these continuous recurring events that repeat themselves in the same general order and at or near the same intervals are a consequence of specific pattern distribution. And Oh yes, I don't care that you don't care Dudey, it might take years but someday this will be accepted as true.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#18 Dec 16, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
In answer to the comment that the pattern is a non-uniform distribution of matter. This depends on what "is" is and how we define uniform. SCP does claim that matter was scattered as if sown, and specific patterns of radiation are emitted by bodies in space and absorbed by other bodies and so on, and this energy transfer is an arrangement that is repeated and propagated and passed on as patterns to successive cycles. The process has been spread out through the expanse of the cosmos, and it has been made firm as a rule. Everything in our entire universe has self similarity and these continuous recurring events that repeat themselves in the same general order and at or near the same intervals are a consequence of specific pattern distribution. And Oh yes, I don't care that you don't care Dudey, it might take years but someday this will be accepted as true.
So, since YOU are the author of the SCPID (non)theory, did you incorporate the non-uniform distribution into your fantasy PRIOR to learning this, or AFTER learning?

And no.

NOBODY with as much as a brain-stem will ever accept your fairy tale as true.
Mike TO
#19 Dec 16, 2010
Kong_ wrote:
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So, since YOU are the author of the SCPID (non)theory, did you incorporate the non-uniform distribution into your fantasy PRIOR to learning this, or AFTER learning?
And no.
NOBODY with as much as a brain-stem will ever accept your fairy tale as true.
Never say never. The truth will be known someday, but I can't say when. It doesn't matter who tells it.
Erasmus05

Rigby, ID

#20 Dec 16, 2010
Mike TO wrote:
In answer to the comment that the pattern is a non-uniform distribution of matter. This depends on what "is" is and how we define uniform.
Bill Clinton, is that you?

SCP does claim that matter was scattered as if sown,
Then SCP is wrong. Matter was never scattered in our universe as if sown. Matter was found throughout the universe from the very start, and then it collapsed through gravitation.

SCP has been falsified.

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