Episcopalian leader visits Bend

Episcopalian leader visits Bend

There are 38 comments on the www.bendbulletin.com story from Jun 10, 2009, titled Episcopalian leader visits Bend. In it, www.bendbulletin.com reports that:

While visiting Bend on Tuesday afternoon, the first female presiding bishop charged with leading 2.4 million Episcopalians in 16 countries said the church continues to challenge the larger society to take care of those in need ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Jun 10, 2009
"... Before the service, a couple of people mentioned some of the most pressing issues facing the church. Ordaining gay clergy remains a controversial subject, one Jefferts Schori has not avoided.

'The church has always wrestled with who can be a full member,' she said.'In the earliest days of the church, it was whether or not Gentiles could be followers of Jesus.

'In this country, in the last couple of hundred years, we’ve wrestled with the place of women in the church, and the place of slaves, former slaves and African-Americans, and immigrants and children.'

'Today, we’re wrestling with the place of gay, lesbian, transgendered and bisexual people. The arch of the moral universe is long, and it bends toward justice, as Martin Luther King Jr. once said. I think we’re moving in that direction. It makes some people very uncomfortable. But I think God calls us to love all our neighbors.'"

And then ordain them regardless of scripture.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#2 Jun 13, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
"... Before the service, a couple of people mentioned some of the most pressing issues facing the church. Ordaining gay clergy remains a controversial subject, one Jefferts Schori has not avoided.
'The church has always wrestled with who can be a full member,' she said.'In the earliest days of the church, it was whether or not Gentiles could be followers of Jesus.
'In this country, in the last couple of hundred years, we’ve wrestled with the place of women in the church, and the place of slaves, former slaves and African-Americans, and immigrants and children.'
'Today, we’re wrestling with the place of gay, lesbian, transgendered and bisexual people. The arch of the moral universe is long, and it bends toward justice, as Martin Luther King Jr. once said. I think we’re moving in that direction. It makes some people very uncomfortable. But I think God calls us to love all our neighbors.'"
And then ordain them regardless of scripture.
Guess what Joey, some of us have learned a thing or two about the universe (sun rotates around the earth - BLASHPHOMY!), genetics and science in general in the last 2000 years.

Catch up dude....
Truth

Mexico

#3 Jun 13, 2009
Bishop and denying the Word of the Lord?

(1Tim 3:2 [KJV])
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#4 Jun 13, 2009
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>Guess what Joey, some of us have learned a thing or two about the universe (sun rotates around the earth - BLASHPHOMY!), genetics and science in general in the last 2000 years.
Catch up dude....
How does any of this negate the qualifications for bishop in 1Tim 3:1-7?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#5 Jun 14, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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How does any of this negate the qualifications for bishop in 1Tim 3:1-7?
Not sure about you but I follow Jesus, not the pagan Paul or his followers.

So obsessed....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#6 Jun 14, 2009
Truth wrote:
Bishop and denying the Word of the Lord?
(1Tim 3:2 [KJV])
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
See above.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#7 Jun 14, 2009
Truth wrote:
Bishop and denying the Word of the Lord?
(1Tim 3:2 [KJV])
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
That line leaves all the roman priest out...LOL

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#8 Jun 14, 2009
MiddleWay wrote:
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Not sure about you but I follow Jesus, not the pagan Paul or his followers ...
His followers are called Christians, and "the pagan Paul" was a rabbi from Tarsus who wrote most of the NT.
KGC

Quincy, IL

#9 Jun 15, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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His followers are called Christians, and "the pagan Paul" was a rabbi from Tarsus who wrote most of the NT.
Dear Joe,

At what point in the life of Paul did he, himself, acknowledge that he had reached a state of continuous perfection?

KGC
Think Again

Wallace, NC

#10 Jun 15, 2009
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure about you but I follow Jesus, not the pagan Paul or his followers.
So obsessed....
Then you should have no trouble following Jesus’ statement on marriage.

Matthew 19:4-5 (KJV)
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

Since: Jul 07

Mason, OH

#11 Jun 15, 2009
Think Again wrote:
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Then you should have no trouble following Jesus’ statement on marriage.
Matthew 19:4-5 (KJV)
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
So you don't believe in divorce either.....yet all those divorced and remarried people are treated equally by their government. Can you explain that? The bible, based on what you provided is pretty clear about divorce.

Sorry, but you are going to have to clear that up that descreptency before anyone can move forward on your point.
Think Again

Wallace, NC

#12 Jun 15, 2009
devons wrote:
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So you don't believe in divorce either.....yet all those divorced and remarried people are treated equally by their government. Can you explain that? The bible, based on what you provided is pretty clear about divorce.
Sorry, but you are going to have to clear that up that descreptency before anyone can move forward on your point.
You are mixing secular and scriptural. I am only concerned with the scriptural aspect of marriage. MW made the statement that he/she followed Jesus and Jesus said what is written in Matthew 19:4 concerning marriage which He took from Genesis.
No I don’t believe in divorce, it is not Biblical except under certain circumstances of adultery.
Christians should support neither divorce nor same-sex marriage.
KGC

Quincy, IL

#13 Jun 15, 2009
Think Again wrote:
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You are mixing secular and scriptural. I am only concerned with the scriptural aspect of marriage. MW made the statement that he/she followed Jesus and Jesus said what is written in Matthew 19:4 concerning marriage which He took from Genesis.
No I don’t believe in divorce, it is not Biblical except under certain circumstances of adultery.
Christians should support neither divorce nor same-sex marriage.
TA,

Since you are, as you say, "only concerned with the scriptural aspect of marriage," how do you justify in-vitro conception and birth via contracted services through another woman - such conception and birth both being products of the marriage?

KGC

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#14 Jun 15, 2009
Think Again wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you should have no trouble following Jesus’ statement on marriage.
Matthew 19:4-5 (KJV)
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
So you are on the band wagon to outlaw divorce?

Now there's some real DOMA protection.

Cool.......

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#15 Jun 15, 2009
KGC wrote:
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Dear Joe,
At what point in the life of Paul did he, himself, acknowledge that he had reached a state of continuous perfection?
KGC
At no point: Phil. 3:12 - 14.

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

King Of Prussia, PA

#16 Jun 16, 2009
Everyone knows that Epicopalians are not fundies. And everyone knows that ultimately it's the assembled laity and the church which in the region which verbally assents to any new Bishop there.

Too bad, closet case homophobe.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#17 Jun 16, 2009
Think Again wrote:
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You are mixing secular and scriptural. I am only concerned with the scriptural aspect of marriage. MW made the statement that he/she followed Jesus and Jesus said what is written in Matthew 19:4 concerning marriage which He took from Genesis.
No I don’t believe in divorce, it is not Biblical except under certain circumstances of adultery.
Christians should support neither divorce nor same-sex marriage.
You are not concerned with the subject of the scripture. All you are interested in is picking a choosing which verses you feel you can use as a weapon. Thus you are ignoring a great deal of the teachings of Jesus.

Now, why don't we hear the same comments about marriage when it comes to divorced people? As I've already said you will have to address that before you can address your bias about gays.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#18 Jun 16, 2009
devons wrote:
... Now, why don't we hear the same comments about marriage when it comes to divorced people? As I've already said you will have to address that before you can address your bias about gays.
I can tell you from personal experince that although many couples plan to get married, they don't ever expect to get divorced, or plan for it in advance.

Divorce is the default setting of a failed marriage, not a deliberate act against marriage or the scripture that supports it.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#19 Jun 16, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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I can tell you from personal experince that although many couples plan to get married, they don't ever expect to get divorced, or plan for it in advance.
Divorce is the default setting of a failed marriage, not a deliberate act against marriage or the scripture that supports it.
ROFL

Oh gee, and here I thought people just got married in order to get divorced. Thanks for setting me 'straight'.

Now all you have to do is convince the rest of the Christians that's it's perfectly ok to divorce and remarry as many times as you wish and that the bible says nothing about it.
KGC

Quincy, IL

#20 Jun 16, 2009
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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At no point: Phil. 3:12 - 14.
Well then, if Paul, himself, asserted that he wasn't perfect - that there were errors, even if they were not an overriding concern, how is it that we, 2000 years later, have concluded that his Letters are matters of perfection?

We say that they are the "Word of God." Clearly, they are not. Neither did Paul consider them to be such. Inspired? Written within the presense of the Holy Spirit? Good guides to the Way of Christ? Absolutely, Yes!

But, the "Word of God?" No.
Written by and through and of the "Word of God?" Yes. The "Word of God" as expressed through Paul.

KGC

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