Which came first, dinosaurs or birds?

Feb 8, 2010 Full story: KCBY-TV Coos Bay 18

CORVALLIS, Ore. A new study just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides yet more evidence that birds did not descend from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs, experts say, and continues to challenge decades of accepted theories about the evolution of flight.

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#1 Feb 9, 2010
NEVER listen to Ruben. He is biased and ignorant.
Ohyeah spinosaurus

Louisville, KY

#2 Feb 9, 2010
Stygimoloch wrote:
NEVER listen to Ruben. He is biased and ignorant.
i thought dinosaurs were bird like reptiles that led to birds. you know the spitting point
Big Al

Milan, Italy

#3 Feb 9, 2010
Ok, birds didnt come from dinos
So... what did birds evolve from?
PaudieN1

Ireland

#4 Feb 9, 2010
Dinosaurs:)

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#5 Feb 9, 2010
According to Ruben's (fail) study, from some unknown crutorsans.

Ohyeah: Reptile is a paraphyletic term. Simple fact: birds came from dinos, and indeed are still dinosaurs. Arguing against this is like arguing humans aren't apes.
Big Al

Milan, Italy

#6 Feb 9, 2010
Stygimoloch wrote:
According to Ruben's (fail) study, from some unknown crutorsans
Ok... so birds r related 2 crocs...(which is true, since both r achosaurs but... lol)
Do u know where i can find da paper, or at least knowin its name?
Big Al

Milan, Italy

#7 Feb 9, 2010
Stygimoloch wrote:
Ohyeah: Reptile is a paraphyletic term. Simple fact: birds came from dinos, and indeed are still dinosaurs. Arguing against this is like arguing humans aren't apes.
Da correct term 4 reptiles includin birds too is sauropsida, i think
A reptile is any sauropsid bein neither a bird nor a mammal. In fact birds r not reptiles. Not all dinos r reptiles. Non-avian dino r reptiles, and avian ones arent
Ohyeah spinosaurus

Louisville, KY

#8 Feb 9, 2010
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Da correct term 4 reptiles includin birds too is sauropsida, i think
A reptile is any sauropsid bein neither a bird nor a mammal. In fact birds r not reptiles. Not all dinos r reptiles. Non-avian dino r reptiles, and avian ones arent
wow this stuff is confusing.....XD

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#9 Feb 9, 2010
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>Ok... so birds r related 2 crocs...(which is true, since both r achosaurs but... lol)
Do u know where i can find da paper, or at least knowin its name?
No idea, but I wouldn't bother. Ruben has shown consistent ignorance of conventional (ie; proven) wisdom.
Big Al

Milan, Italy

#10 Feb 9, 2010
Ohyeah spinosaurus wrote:
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wow this stuff is confusing.....XD
In short: a reptile is any amniote bein neither a bird nor a mammal

-Herrerasaurus is an amniote but non a bird or a mammal: herrerasaurus is a reptile
-Cows r amniotes but r mammals too. Cows r not reptile
-Dimetrodon is an amniote but not a mammal. Dimetrodon is a reptile
-Roosters r amniotes and birds. So roosters r not reptile

This can help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Traditional...

Got it?
Big Al

Milan, Italy

#11 Feb 9, 2010
Stygimoloch wrote:
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No idea, but I wouldn't bother. Ruben has shown consistent ignorance of conventional (ie; proven) wisdom.
Wrong
Instead id really like seein it
Im really curious of seein what his points r. After all peer review published his paper, so hes not a stupid
2 me scientists, dat refuse da "birds r dinos" thing, r really smart since dey promote demselves and deir works
Maybe not even ruben believe in his own paper XD...(im not kiddin, im serious)

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#12 Feb 9, 2010
Errr... things get peer reviewed and are still wacky. In fact, I'm betting it was published in an ornithological journal, since for some reason many ornithologists ardently refuse a dino-bird link.

I don't think they're smart. They are biased, simply look at how Ruben and colleagues used Protoavis. A simple archosaur fossil with little common with birds, and they turned it into a major transitional fossil.

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#13 Feb 9, 2010
Oops, nope I was wrong. Says right up there "Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences"
Ohyeah spinosaurus

Louisville, KY

#14 Feb 9, 2010
Big Al wrote:
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In short: a reptile is any amniote bein neither a bird nor a mammal
-Herrerasaurus is an amniote but non a bird or a mammal: herrerasaurus is a reptile
-Cows r amniotes but r mammals too. Cows r not reptile
-Dimetrodon is an amniote but not a mammal. Dimetrodon is a reptile
-Roosters r amniotes and birds. So roosters r not reptile
This can help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Traditional...
Got it?
actually i think so, thanks
Big Al

Milan, Italy

#15 Feb 11, 2010
Stygimoloch wrote:
Errr... things get peer reviewed and are still wacky. In fact, I'm betting it was published in an ornithological journal, since for some reason many ornithologists ardently refuse a dino-bird link.
I don't think they're smart
Dats wrong. Peer review should be from
But dats not a ornithological journal, pnas talks bout ALL palaeontological subjects... so i say again "why da hell did dese stupid reviewer allowed it 2 be published?"
Pnas is a bit dumb... dey allowed many oder untrue reserarcs 2 be published

Bdw dont think dey arent dumb, cuz dey are dumb. Dont u think dey gain money 4 publishin papers? ALL dey care bout is gainin money, oderwise why should dey publish all dese BAND (birds r not dinos) papers? Dey know demselves 2 be wrong, but dey dont care! What smart asses!
Stygimoloch wrote:
I don't think they're smart. They are biased, simply look at how Ruben and colleagues used Protoavis. A simple archosaur fossil with little common with birds, and they turned it into a major transitional fossil.
Dont think protoavis is either a valid genus or an archosaurian
Its a chimaera whose holotype includes portions of multiple unrelated organisms. If it was a valix taxon, it'd be an avicephalan like megalancosaurus
Time ago ruben cited protoavis, but possibly he did so 4 gainin money. Its not possible dat is DAT dumb 4 not realizin bird r dinos

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#16 Feb 11, 2010
Big Al wrote:
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Dats wrong. Peer review should be from
But dats not a ornithological journal, pnas talks bout ALL palaeontological subjects... so i say again "why da hell did dese stupid reviewer allowed it 2 be published?"
Pnas is a bit dumb... dey allowed many oder untrue reserarcs 2 be published
Bdw dont think dey arent dumb, cuz dey are dumb. Dont u think dey gain money 4 publishin papers? ALL dey care bout is gainin money, oderwise why should dey publish all dese BAND (birds r not dinos) papers? Dey know demselves 2 be wrong, but dey dont care! What smart asses!
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Dont think protoavis is either a valid genus or an archosaurian
Its a chimaera whose holotype includes portions of multiple unrelated organisms. If it was a valix taxon, it'd be an avicephalan like megalancosaurus
Time ago ruben cited protoavis, but possibly he did so 4 gainin money. Its not possible dat is DAT dumb 4 not realizin bird r dinos
1. Check out my post after that. I correctified my mistake.

2. Yeah, I meant to say it was chimera, but you get the point.

Ruben and others have been doing this since the dino-renaissance. Read this: http://scienceblogs.com/tetrapodzoology/2009/...
Mel

Sevierville, TN

#17 Feb 13, 2010
Just FYI, a lot of stuff in PNAS--including this paper--is NOT peer-reviewed. It's pushed through by senior members of the Academy, some of whom have some seriously, demonstrably wacky views.
korndoggie

Cheyenne, WY

#18 Feb 13, 2010
I think the Sarrow egg came first!!!! The KORNDOGGIE11

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