3 Oregon scientists testify about glo...

3 Oregon scientists testify about global warming

There are 37 comments on the KDRV story from Mar 4, 2009, titled 3 Oregon scientists testify about global warming. In it, KDRV reports that:

Associated Press A March 4, 2009 A MEDFORD, Ore. -- Three Oregon scientists were among the experts testifying before Congress this week to recommend changes in federal forest management to reduce greenhouse gas ...

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GaiaGirl

Ashland, OR

#22 Dec 6, 2009
Does anyone else out there wonder who or what "MoonBat" is? I Am DigitaP seems to really be hung up on whoever or whatever it is. I'm still waiting for facts from him, not just opinion and rhetoric, and I Am DigitaP seems unable to distinguish between them. His posts seem to be increasingly rambling and unstructured and he really offers no facts--just rants against MoonBat. I was so hoping for an intelligent debate between posters on this topic. Sigh... ;-)
Chicago Hope and Change

United States

#23 Dec 6, 2009
GaiaGirl wrote:
Does anyone else out there wonder who or what "MoonBat" is? I Am DigitaP seems to really be hung up on whoever or whatever it is. I'm still waiting for facts from him, not just opinion and rhetoric, and I Am DigitaP seems unable to distinguish between them. His posts seem to be increasingly rambling and unstructured and he really offers no facts--just rants against MoonBat. I was so hoping for an intelligent debate between posters on this topic. Sigh... ;-)
The is nothing to debate.
The science is settled!

Real story already out regarding e-mail-theft-gate.
Just some Russian hacks.
Probably backed with GOP/Big oil money.
Reading the illegal e-mails is just encouraging and supporting the deniers.
They have nothing!
AGW is real, itís the GOP/Deniers that are the fraud.

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

Safford, AZ

#24 Dec 7, 2009
Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
<quoted text>
The is nothing to debate.
The science is settled!
Real story already out regarding e-mail-Scientists admit THEY HAVE NO IDEA!
They have nothing!
Absolutely right; and you can see below where scientists JUST THIS OCTOBER

ADMITTED RECORD COLD
ADMITTED THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON

then hearing someone ELSE said AS THEY ACKNOWLEDGED there HAS BEEN NO COOLING SINCE 1998

THEY promptly decided: "I'LL GO ON REAL CLIMATE AND LIE"

You get the MET OFFICE to issue a statement LYING

and let's "start a TV campaign to LIE."

Truer words about "it's settled" and "they have nothing!" were never said:

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

Safford, AZ

#25 Dec 7, 2009
From: Kevin Trenberth
To: Michael Mann

Subject: Re: BBC U-turn on climate
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:57:37 -0600

Cc:
Stephen H Schneider, Myles Allen, peter stott, Philip D. Jones, Benjamin Santer, Tom Wigley, Thomas R Karl, Gavin Schmidt, James Hansen, Michael Oppenheimer

Hi all
Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in

Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We

had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it

smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a

record low, well below the previous record low. This is January weather (see the Rockies

baseball playoff game was canceled on saturday and then played last night in below freezing

weather).

[Trenberth, K. E., 2009: An imperative for climate change planning: tracking Earth's global
energy. Current Opinion in Environmental Sustainability, 1, 19-27,
doi:10.1016/j.cosust.2009.06.0 01.[1][PDF]

The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a

travesty that we can't. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008
shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong.

Our observing system is inadequate...

Kevin

Michael Mann wrote:

extremely disappointing to see something like this appear on BBC. its particularly odd,

***we may do something about this on RealClimate,*** but meanwhile it might be appropriate for
the Met Office to have a say about this, I might ask Richard Black what's up here?

Mike

On Oct 12, 2009, at 2:32 AM

Stephen H Schneider wrote:

Some of you observational folks

probably do need to straighten this out as my student suggests below.

Such "fun", Cheers, Steve

Stephen H. Schneider

From: "Narasimha D. Rao"
To: "Stephen H Schneider"

Subject: BBC U-turn on climate
Steve,
BBC's reporter on climate change, on Friday

wrote that there's been no warming since 1998, and that pacific oscillations will force

cooling for the next 20-30 years. It is not outrageously biased in presentation as are

other skeptics' views.

BBC has significant influence on public opinion outside the US.

***Do you think this merits an op-ed response in the BBC from a scientist?***
PHD

United States

#26 Dec 7, 2009
I Am DigitaPatsy wrote:
Let us know how your MODELS predict STATISTICALLY your chance to GET OUT OF THIS with your SKIN ON.
Try tapping your heels together doodle brain.
GaiaGirl

Ashland, OR

#27 Dec 7, 2009
What started out as a reasonably intelligent discussion and debate has turned into a rant, with posters still spouting opinions (theirs and other peoples') without FACTS. The observed weather is fact, but the reasons for that weather are only opinion and speculation as the cause is still largely unknown.

And it seems no one knows what MoonBat is! "Curiouser and curiouser." When a discussion and debate turns into an illogical and unintelligent rant, I'm gone! Waste of time now.
Chicago Hope and Change

United States

#28 Dec 7, 2009
GaiaGirl wrote:
What started out as a reasonably intelligent discussion and debate has turned into a rant, with posters still spouting opinions (theirs and other peoples') without FACTS. The observed weather is fact, but the reasons for that weather are only opinion and speculation as the cause is still largely unknown.
And it seems no one knows what MoonBat is! "Curiouser and curiouser." When a discussion and debate turns into an illogical and unintelligent rant, I'm gone! Waste of time now.
The discussion always breaks down when the deniers use evasion and tricks to avoid accepting responsibility for their eco-crimes.
When they finally accept their guilt then we will move to real discussion and progress.

BTW moonbat is a derogatory term used by right wing nuts against progressives.
GaiaGirl

Ashland, OR

#29 Dec 7, 2009
Thank you Chicago for an intelligent, concise answer. I appreciate it more than you can know.
Mike

United States

#30 Dec 8, 2009
Earthling wrote:
The US has been guilty of unnecessary forestry clearance for centuries.
http://www.saveamericasforests.org/resources/...
Yes and most other developed counties.
bassmaniac

Eugene, OR

#31 Dec 8, 2009
Global warmiing is a fantasy perpetuated by the left wing wackos and their kool-aid drinking constituants. This is about more government control, cant you see that?? We are not capable of causing climate change, and it is futile to try to fix it!! I don't buy it for a minute, as for those who do, BAAA BAAAA BAAAAA!! We must let government take care of us, they know best, BAAAA!!
Chicago Hope and Change

United States

#32 Dec 9, 2009
bassmaniac wrote:
Global warmiing is a fantasy perpetuated by the left wing wackos and their kool-aid drinking constituants. This is about more government control, cant you see that?? We are not capable of causing climate change, and it is futile to try to fix it!! I don't buy it for a minute, as for those who do, BAAA BAAAA BAAAAA!! We must let government take care of us, they know best, BAAAA!!
No one believes you and the flatearthers at FauxNews.
AGW is real and soon we will International Justice for the crimes against humanity inflicted by the racist industrialized nations like the US.
CHANGE is here!
JRS

Oak Creek, WI

#33 Dec 9, 2009
Chicago Hope and Change wrote:
<quoted text>
No one believes you and the flatearthers at FauxNews.
AGW is real and soon we will International Justice for the crimes against humanity inflicted by the racist industrialized nations like the US.
CHANGE is here!
Thank you for displaying the psycho looniness of the AGW'ers. You do more to hang yourself in 3 sentences than I could ever do.
wrose

Medford, OR

#34 Dec 12, 2009
The Truth wrote:
Global warming is just part of an agenda the liberals have to distroy America and everything it was founded on. Man has no power to harm this planet. Only God can do that.
It is sad the direction these wordly people are heading.
What is really sad is that God gave you the brain of a lemming.

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

Safford, AZ

#35 Dec 12, 2009
wrose wrote:
<quoted text>
What is really sad is that God gave you the brain of a lemming.
Actually that's - YOU - who was all worked into a foaming lather about the sky catching on fire then having it revealed that....

the Crimatologists just made it all up.

Did you GET that news? Yea.

"I CAN JUST MAKE IT UP. SO I HAVE:-)"

"Quote:

" This is pretty obviously the same station (well OK.. apart from the duff early period, but I've
got used to that now). But look at the longitude! That's probably 20km! LUckily I selected
'Update wins' and so the metadata aren't compared. This is still going to take ages, because although
I can match WMO codes (or should be able to), I must check that the data correlate adequately - and
for all these stations there will be questions. I don't think it would be a good idea to take the
usual approach of coding to avoid the situation, because (a) it will be non-trivial to code for, and
(b) not all of the situations are the same. But I am beginning to wish I could just blindly merge
based on WMO code..

the trouble is that then I'm continuing the approach that created these broken databases. Look at this one:
**********
Here, the expected 1990-2003 period is MISSING - so the correlations aren't so hot! Yet
**********
the WMO codes and station names /locations are identical (or close).

**********

What the hell is supposed to happen here?

Oh yeah - there is no 'supposed',

I can make it up.

So I have :-)

**********

If an update station matches a 'master' station by WMO code, but the data is unpalatably
inconsistent, the operator is given three choices:

<BEGIN QUOTE>
You have failed a match despite the WMO codes matching.
This must be resolved!! Please choose one:

1. Match them after all.
2. Leave the existing station alone, and discard the update.
3. Give existing station a false code, and make the update the new WMO station.

Enter 1,2 or 3:
<END QUOTE>

You can't imagine what this has cost me - to actually allow the operator to
assign false WMO codes!!

But what else is there in such situations?

Especially when dealing with a 'Master' database of dubious provenance

(which, er, they all are and always will be). "

P A R T 2 below:

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

Safford, AZ

#36 Dec 12, 2009
"You can't imagine what this has cost me - to actually allow the operator to assign false
WMO codes!! But what else is there in such situations? Especially when dealing with a 'Master'
database of dubious provenance (which, er, they all are and always will be).
**********
False codes will be obtained by multiplying the legitimate code (5 digits) by 100, then adding
1 at a time until a number is found with no matches in the database.

THIS IS NOT PERFECT but as there is no central repository for WMO codes -

especially made-up ones -
**********
we'll have to chance
duplicating one that's present in one of the other databases. In any case, anyone comparing WMO
codes between databases - something I've studiously avoided doing except for tmin/tmax where I
had to - will be treating the false codes with suspicion anyway. Hopefully.

Of course, option 3 cannot be offered for CLIMAT bulletins, there being no metadata with which
to form a new station.

This still meant an awful lot of encounters with naughty Master stations, when really I suspect
nobody else gives a hoot about.

So with a somewhat cynical shrug, I added the nuclear option -

to match every WMO possible, and turn the rest into new stations (er, CLIMAT excepted).
**********
In other words, what CRU usually do.
**********
It will allow bad databases to pass unnoticed,
**********
and good databases to become bad,
**********
but I really don't think people care enough to fix 'em,
**********
and it's the main reason the
project is nearly a year late."

Lemmings were fleeing impending death
only to find out
they made it up.
And KNEW they had: see below: 2005

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

Safford, AZ

#37 Dec 12, 2009
"EMAIL #1120593115:

"From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: John Christy <john.christy@nsstc.uah.edu >
Subject: This and that
Date: Tue Jul 5 15:51:55 2005

John,
There has been some email traffic in the last few days to a week - quite
a bit really, only a small part about MSU. The main part has been one of
your House subcommittees wanting Mike Mann and others and IPCC
to respond on how they produced their reconstructions and how IPCC
produced their report.
In case you want to look at this see later in the email !

Also this load of rubbish !

This is from an Australian at BMRC (not Neville Nicholls). It began from the attached

article. What an idiot.

**********

The SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WOULD COME DOWN ON ME IN NO
UNCERTAIN TERMS IF I SAID THE WORLD HAD COOLED FROM 1998.

OK IT HAS BUT IT IS ONLY 7 YEARS OF DATA AND IT ISN'T STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

**********

The Australian also alerted me to this blogging ! I think this is the term ! Luckily I don't live in Australia."

Hooterville-Lemming Springs next stop! wo00 wo000!!!
LoL.

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

Safford, AZ

#38 Dec 12, 2009
Not only that, they were also calling what they were doing, "JUNK."

You can get the data that derailed Copenhagen and has Phil Jones in hiding below, archived online.

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2009/11/cli...

You can't get the "Lemmings in headlights look" to go away till you stop taking the shortcuts through the cultural tar-pits on the way to get water.

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