Study: Murders among black youths on ...

Study: Murders among black youths on rise

There are 273 comments on the The Associated Press story from Dec 28, 2008, titled Study: Murders among black youths on rise . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

The number of young black men and teenagers who either killed or were killed in shootings has risen at an alarming rate since 2000, a new study shows.

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Loonytoon

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Dec 28, 2008
This is just another hype in order to get more money spent on feel-good programs..Please explain how more police officers on the street is going to prevent black or gang related shootings ? How many times is a person going to kill someone in front of a police officer ? These are usually gang and drug related shootings, which are a big part of the black community. What do you expect from people who are still slaves to the master, getting a check from the government (master)..they quit school, have rampant teenage pregnancy, fathers are non-existant in the homes, the rap music glorifies the killing and sexual degradation of women...and you really expect them to act civilized towards one another..

“time to get rid of murderers”

Since: Dec 07

roswell

#2 Dec 29, 2008
i honestly believe that it has alot to do with how the parents raised these loosers. i think if the parents would have cared more about how their kids are doing and not letting them party at 12, they would either still have their child alive, or out of prison.

“Vote Republican”

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#3 Dec 29, 2008
This is not going to improve until we (black men) take back our households. We need to stand up and act like leaders to our women. Raise our boys to be men. Raise our girls to be ladies. Treat our loved ones as they deserve. Every man must take on his household and accept responsibility for what happens. We need to stop making excuses for the problems we perpetuate.
toby

State College, PA

#5 Dec 29, 2008
I Hate Syracuse wrote:
This is not going to improve until we (black men) take back our households. We need to stand up and act like leaders to our women. Raise our boys to be men. Raise our girls to be ladies. Treat our loved ones as they deserve. Every man must take on his household and accept responsibility for what happens. We need to stop making excuses for the problems we perpetuate.
OMG, a black who truly gets it!
just dont get it

Marlboro, NJ

#6 Dec 29, 2008
I Hate Syracuse wrote:
This is not going to improve until we (black men) take back our households. We need to stand up and act like leaders to our women. Raise our boys to be men. Raise our girls to be ladies. Treat our loved ones as they deserve. Every man must take on his household and accept responsibility for what happens. We need to stop making excuses for the problems we perpetuate.
if all parents, black, white or otherwise, would do this, the world would be a wonderful place to live. God bless you.

“Vote Republican”

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#7 Dec 29, 2008
The real issue is class, education, and respect. I am now upper-middle class (I lived in Toms River, NJ (Ocean) BTW). But, I grew up poor on Long Island. And, of the other poor people I knew growing up, we were all from families where our mentors/parents lacked an education, had little respect for social norms, had little respect for authority, and most important, never accepted responsibility for their actions. Most of those kids ended up repeating the mistakes of those people around them. They had little hope. They are perpetual renters with multiple kids that continue to live in impoverished circumstances. These people live day-to-day and depend on the support of others to survive.

But, some friends who were also poor (working class) with two parents had a different type of household. They had dinner as a family. They checked their kid’s homework. They attended parent-teacher conferences. They could not afford Disney Cruises or weekend flights to the Caribbean, bit they had loving stable environments. All of these friends in spite of being poor all went to college and are now productive members of society (teacher, engineer, CPA, Book-keeper, Physician, NYPD detective, Philly Fire Captain, College Professor and Author). They are all married, homeowners, with children of their own. And, they too provide stable environments for their own families.

Now, I have been blessed to live in an upper-middle class environment, and I see the same results. The kids who did not have encouragement have not turned out so well. But most have gone on to college and show promises of ‘doing the right thing’.

Ultimately, these damn kids just need a hug, seriously. They need to be told that they matter and that they are loved. I know because I was one of these damn kids. A woman cannot do this for young men. They need to hear it from men who look like them. But they must hear the right message and it must be followed up with good lifestyle choices on our part. We cannot continue having five kids from as many women and tell young boys that it is how we define our manhood.

‘Fortunately’, I was placed in a boy’s home before I got caught out on the streets. I went on to college and never looked back. As a result, my own children have no conceptual understanding of how kids like myself got into trouble. That is good news for my household. But more needs to be done to help others. Otherwise, they will continue to burden our social system and bring this country down.

These people are a burden on our education system, health care system, prisons, and legal systems.

“Vote Republican”

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#8 Dec 29, 2008
toby wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG, a black who truly gets it!
It’s not about being black, or getting it. It’s about accepting personal responsibility. Liberals will tell you that it is not your fault and they will support you. Which is the worst thing you can do for anyone who wants to live off of others. The best thing you can do is place the responsibility where it belongs, in the lap of the man. If men accepting greater conservative values, we would not be in the mess we find ourselves.

And, I caution you this is not a ‘black’ problem. It is a ‘class’ problem. It’s just that most blacks find them selves in the lower portion of class scale. For every black that has failed, it is also an American that has failed too.
Samei

Birmingham, AL

#9 Dec 29, 2008
I'm black and this is the very reason why I do not like to be around certain blacks. Anything could set them off and bam, you're shot dead. Because the majority of black people are murdered by other black people.
MissThang

Albany, NY

#10 Dec 29, 2008
To some degree I agree that parents should be more attentive to thier children, but sometimes, there are parents that ARE and thier kids gorw and make thier own decision to do wrong. It is NOT ALWAYS the parents fault, that is why a lot of people think what they think about black people, they think the kids are just like the parents, which in some cases is NOT the truth. And while I agree with a lot of the things that the "Republican Black" said, now that you are in a position to help "these people" you talk about...what are you doing about it?? Seems like you have a whole lot of solutions.....
jessy from roswell wrote:
i honestly believe that it has alot to do with how the parents raised these loosers. i think if the parents would have cared more about how their kids are doing and not letting them party at 12, they would either still have their child alive, or out of prison.
MissThang

Albany, NY

#11 Dec 29, 2008
I agree with this to some degree too, but there are just as many other cultures that kill each other too, but as a black person, I wouldn't sterotype my own culture just because there are a few bad apples.
Samei wrote:
I'm black and this is the very reason why I do not like to be around certain blacks. Anything could set them off and bam, you're shot dead. Because the majority of black people are murdered by other black people.

“In the Space Love Demands”

Since: Oct 07

Black Love USA

#12 Dec 29, 2008
This is very sad. And yes I agree with Mr. I Hate Syracuse about class and parental involvement and love...

But the reality of the situation for most of these young men is that NEITHER PARENT was involved with their lives...and there are many more out there...

This is a generation of young people that don't have daddy (he is dead or in jail), mama (surprisingly also in jail, many times or addicted) or even grandparents, coaches, teachers, the church...they fall so hard because there is nothing and no one to catch them.

Yes, parental love and concern is the solution, but what to do for the kids that don't have those?

Do we let them just kill themselves?

EnochSpeaks

“MARRIAGE IS 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN”

Since: Nov 08

Chicago

#13 Dec 29, 2008
The Black community has observed the increased attacks upon our Black male youths by the police and other elements and tools of the federal, state and local governments to be disturbing. Read the following stats below:

(1) A Black Male is 8 times more likely to be in prison than a white person.

(2) One in four Black men will enter prison at least once, compared to only one in 23 white males having the same experience.

(3) The USDOJ estimates that 28.5 percent of Black men are expected to serve a state or federal prison sentence.

(4) The United States Department of Justice, Black males currently constitute 12 percent of the national population but 44 percent of the prison population.

(5) Almost half of Black men never graduate from High School.

(6) The number one cause of death for Black males between the ages of 15-25 is a (violent death) murder.

These stats do-not lie, our future is dying and we must address this critical fact! Our youth are our future and right now our future looks bleak!

We must assist our Black male youth to succeed in life by developing standards and principles to follow in good times and bad.

These standards and principles must be reviewed everyday because these principles of life will be a guide for them and give something to hold on to. This is because it is a war out there that is designed to ensnare our youth with drugs, jail violence and prison.

EnochSpeaks

EnochSpeaks

“MARRIAGE IS 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN”

Since: Nov 08

Chicago

#14 Dec 29, 2008
This message is for all Mothers of young Black males. The world that our young Black males live in is a dangerous one indeed. Every day in this country a young Black male between the ages of 15-25 is killed jailed or imprisoned for various crimes, such as drugs, illegal possession of firearms or by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This podcast will attempt to aid and assist the Mothers of young Black males with the goal of having young Black males survive the daily struggles which has cost our communities dearly so many of youth. We as African-Americans cannot count on any federal or state programs to help us resolve these serious problems that exist in our own communities.

And we all know for a fact that if this problem existed in white communities there would have been a massive uproar about it. However, this country's silence about this issue confirms that we are on our own. These podcasts will upset some but the truth lies within the message if you listen closely. Always remember that today a young Black male was killed.

Listen to this podcast because it may save your child’s life.

http://blackmalesurvival101.podhoster.com/ind...

EnochSpeaks

“Vote Republican”

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#15 Dec 29, 2008
MissThang wrote:
To some degree I agree that parents should be more attentive to thier children, but sometimes, there are parents that ARE and thier kids gorw and make thier own decision to do wrong. It is NOT ALWAYS the parents fault, that is why a lot of people think what they think about black people, they think the kids are just like the parents, which in some cases is NOT the truth. And while I agree with a lot of the things that the "Republican Black" said, now that you are in a position to help "these people" you talk about...what are you doing about it?? Seems like you have a whole lot of solutions.....
<quoted text>
Hello MissThang. There is very little that I can do. My wife and I started the adoption process, but each time we were prepped for a child, another family-member would need housing. This is our first year where the only people living in my home are my wife and three kids.
what are you doing about it??
I own two homes and neither have a mortgage. My second home is being rented to a single mother. I lowered her rent by $100.00 because her circumstances pulled at my heartstrings. But, now I am evicting her for failure to make any payments. I would have taken anything from this woman; two, three hundred dollars and a phone call. There is nothing I can do for you if you are not willing to do for yourself. She has cut down my carport; she has a dog, and will now cost me thousands just so I can make this home available to another family. I think I do plenty, I know what it is like not to have because it is part of my background. However, the best thing I can do is not be a part of the problem. I pay more in taxes than most earn. My daughters are not pregnant, and my son will not rob you.

Again, I do not have a mortgage on any of my homes, but I do depend on the rent as income. This is money I plan to use for my children’s college education. They will be fine, but it is the ‘quality’ of life they will have in college that concerns me.
It is NOT ALWAYS the parents fault
It is always the parents’ fault. A parent’s success is always measured by the success of their children. It is excuses like these that perpetuate the failures of our children. Because we say “oh well, I did what I could, now it is up to him …”. And it is not really that simple. We are parents for life. We as parents have a responsibility to show how ‘we’ live at each stage of our lives for our children’s sake.

Respectfully.

“Vote Republican”

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#16 Dec 29, 2008
soulflower wrote:
This is very sad. And yes I agree with Mr. I Hate Syracuse about class and parental involvement and love...
But the reality of the situation for most of these young men is that NEITHER PARENT was involved with their lives...and there are many more out there...
This is a generation of young people that don't have daddy (he is dead or in jail), mama (surprisingly also in jail, many times or addicted) or even grandparents, coaches, teachers, the church...they fall so hard because there is nothing and no one to catch them.
Yes, parental love and concern is the solution, but what to do for the kids that don't have those?
Do we let them just kill themselves?
Ronald Reagan said it best; if churches did their job, the needy would not require governmental intervention.

“Vote Republican”

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#17 Dec 29, 2008
EnochSpeaks wrote:
This message is for all Mothers of young Black males. The world that our young Black males live in is a dangerous one indeed. Every day in this country a young Black male between the ages of 15-25 is killed jailed or imprisoned for various crimes, such as drugs, illegal possession of firearms or by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
This podcast will attempt to aid and assist the Mothers of young Black males with the goal of having young Black males survive the daily struggles which has cost our communities dearly so many of youth. We as African-Americans cannot count on any federal or state programs to help us resolve these serious problems that exist in our own communities.
And we all know for a fact that if this problem existed in white communities there would have been a massive uproar about it. However, this country's silence about this issue confirms that we are on our own. These podcasts will upset some but the truth lies within the message if you listen closely. Always remember that today a young Black male was killed.
Listen to this podcast because it may save your child’s life.
http://blackmalesurvival101.podhoster.com/ind...
EnochSpeaks
Enoch, glad to hear from you again. We will have to meet up one day. I am listening to your podcast now.
john

Overland Park, KS

#18 Dec 29, 2008
Samei wrote:
I'm black and this is the very reason why I do not like to be around certain blacks. Anything could set them off and bam, you're shot dead. Because the majority of black people are murdered by other black people.
Like all bad things about ethnic groups, a small percent is believed to be the way all people of a group behave. I don't like to be around violent, drug using White people, so we have common ground.

“Vote Republican”

Since: Aug 08

Wyandanch, NY

#19 Dec 29, 2008
EnochSpeaks wrote:
This message is for all Mothers of young Black males. The world that our young Black males live in is a dangerous one indeed. Every day in this country a young Black male between the ages of 15-25 is killed jailed or imprisoned for various crimes, such as drugs, illegal possession of firearms or by being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
This podcast will attempt to aid and assist the Mothers of young Black males with the goal of having young Black males survive the daily struggles which has cost our communities dearly so many of youth. We as African-Americans cannot count on any federal or state programs to help us resolve these serious problems that exist in our own communities.
And we all know for a fact that if this problem existed in white communities there would have been a massive uproar about it. However, this country's silence about this issue confirms that we are on our own. These podcasts will upset some but the truth lies within the message if you listen closely. Always remember that today a young Black male was killed.
Listen to this podcast because it may save your child’s life.
http://blackmalesurvival101.podhoster.com/ind...
EnochSpeaks
Dude, I'm listening, but you are saying some things that are totally irresponsible about police and schools.

But, I love your next comments about personal responsibility. Well said about drug dealers and bad influences in ones family.
MomGrandma

Voorhees, NJ

#21 Dec 29, 2008
Nanny state because they can't take responsibility for their actions and 'get a life'?...No!

EnochSpeaks

“MARRIAGE IS 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN”

Since: Nov 08

Chicago

#22 Dec 29, 2008
I Hate Syracuse wrote:
<quoted text>
Enoch, glad to hear from you again. We will have to meet up one day. I am listening to your podcast now.
That's quite possible.

EnochSpeaks

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