John Shelby Spong to speak in Atlanta

John Shelby Spong to speak in Atlanta

There are 6 comments on the www.ajc.com story from Sep 17, 2010, titled John Shelby Spong to speak in Atlanta. In it, www.ajc.com reports that:

Bishop John Shelby Spong will participate in a lecture series that runs through Sunday on the future of Christianity, sponsored by Trinity Presbyterian Church, the Cathedral of St.

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Since: Jun 07

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#1 Sep 17, 2010
Wow...wish I could be there.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#2 Sep 18, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
Wow...wish I could be there.
I'll save you the trouble.

Spong’s "12 Theses."

1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.

2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.

3. The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.

4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.

5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.

6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.

7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.

8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.

9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard writ in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.

10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.

11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.

12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.

Aside from #12, do you see anything else you agree with?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#3 Sep 18, 2010
I would hate to be so closed minded. I even listen to ultra-right wing Christian radio to listen to them and to try and understand them. Because I am interested in listening to someone's lecture or point of view does not mean that I agree with them. IT MEANS THAT I AM INTERESTING IN HEARING WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY...FROM THEIR OWN LIPS.

TURN THE OTHER CHEEK MEANS TO LOOK AT THE OTHER MAN'S PERSPECTIVE. Try it sometime.
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#4 Sep 18, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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I'll save you the trouble.
Spong’s "12 Theses."
1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.
2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.
3. The Biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.
4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divinity, as traditionally understood, impossible.
5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.
6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.
7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post-Copernican space age.
9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard writ in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.
10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way.
11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.
12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.
Aside from #12, do you see anything else you agree with?
LOL -

Salve Joe! True Son of the Church of Rome!

If Joseph Alois Ratzinger, Bishop of Rome was speaking ex cathedra on a matter of faith and morals and pronounced any one of these things as true, you would have to accept it as dogma. That is how your church of Rome works.

In TEC a retired bishop is free to speak as he will. We are not obligated to listen to him. We do love him. He makes us think!

In TEC we know that no one bishop or human has the power of 'Papal Infallibility'.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#5 Sep 18, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
... TURN THE OTHER CHEEK MEANS TO LOOK AT THE OTHER MAN'S PERSPECTIVE. Try it sometime.
I wouldn't recommend trying Spong's heresies at anytime.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#6 Sep 18, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
... If Joseph Alois Ratzinger, Bishop of Rome was speaking ex cathedra on a matter of faith and morals and pronounced any one of these things as true, you would have to accept it as dogma. That is how your church of Rome works ...
But that's not how I "work" in the church of Rome.
T McCabe wrote:
In TEC a retired bishop is free to speak as he will. We are not obligated to listen to him. We do love him. He makes us think!...
... of new ways to contradict the creeds, scripture, and every tradition known to orthodox Christendom!

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