Same-Sex Parenting: The Effect On Chi...

Same-Sex Parenting: The Effect On Children Raised By Gay Or Lesbian Parents

There are 60 comments on the MediLexicon story from Jun 11, 2012, titled Same-Sex Parenting: The Effect On Children Raised By Gay Or Lesbian Parents. In it, MediLexicon reports that:

Despite considerable research showing that children of same-sex parents fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents, two papers - a review of existing studies and a new study - published in Elsevier's Social Science Research , find insufficient data to draw any definitive conclusions.

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Fitz

Mount Clemens, MI

#21 Jun 11, 2012
Mitts Gold Plated Tablets wrote:
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Is his rentboy "luggage handler" blonde or brunette?
More religious freeek lies.
I dont understand the question.? Or perhaps its not really a question...perhaps its simply a attempted smearing of one of the authors of these two stufdies (the largest and most methologically rigorous to date)

And this smearing is preffered to refutation of the data because none is possible?

“Take Topix Back From Trolls”

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#22 Jun 11, 2012
The first "study" funded by right wing foundations has already be found to be very deficient. The author of the study also clearly stated it was not a study of same sex parenting, it was about kids whose had a parent who at some time in their life had a gay sexual encounter.

The commentary in the second part of your post is just pure bull crap.

Do you ever get to see your kids anymore David or is there a court ruling keeping you away?
Fitz wrote:
Two new studies we are going to be hearing much more about in the coming days and weeks.The first is by Prof. Mark Regnerus:
"Two studies released Sunday may act like brakes on popular social-science assertions that gay parents are the same as — or maybe better than — married, mother-father parents."
“The empirical claim that no notable differences exist must go,” Mark Regnerus, a sociology professor at the University of Texas at Austin, said in his study in Social Science Research."
"Using a new,“gold standard” data set of nearly 3,000 randomly selected American young adults, Mr. Regnerus looked at their lives on 40 measures of social, emotional and relationship outcomes."
"He found that, when compared with adults raised in married, mother-father families, adults raised by lesbian mothers had negative outcomes in 24 of 40 categories, while adults raised by gay fathers had negative outcomes in 19 categories."
"Findings such as these do not support claims that there are “no differences” between gay parenting and heterosexual, married parents, said Mr. Regnerus, who helped develop the New Family Structures Study at the university."
"And a second study by Prof. Loren Marks:"
"The second study, also in Social Science Research, takes a critical look at the basis of an oft-cited American Psychological Association (APA) report on gay parenting."
"The APA brief says,“Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents,” said Loren Marks, associate professor at the School of Human Ecology at Louisiana State University."
"However, after looking at the 59 studies that undergird this assertion,“the jury is still out,” Mr. Marks said.“The lack of high-quality data leaves the most significant questions [about gay parenting] unaddressed and unanswered.”
"Problems with the APA-cited studies were their tiny size; dependence on wealthy, white, well-educated lesbian mothers; and a failure to examine common outcomes for children, such as their education, employment and risks for poverty, criminality, early childbearing, substance abuse and suicide. Instead, the APA studies often looked at children’s gender-role behaviors, emotional functioning and sexual identity."

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#23 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
(post plagiarized from: http://www.nomblog.com/24168/ )
I don't blame you for being too embarrassed to admit where you ripped off 'your' post, having to steal from NOM is nothing more than an admission that you have nothing to offer. You may not be aware of this, but NOM has 'issues' when it comes to same sex couples and their families and they aren't all that shy about torturing 'facts' until they seem to agree with NOM's anti-Gay lunacy.
Fitz

Mount Clemens, MI

#24 Jun 11, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I don't blame you for being too embarrassed to admit where you ripped off 'your' post, having to steal from NOM is nothing more than an admission that you have nothing to offer. You may not be aware of this, but NOM has 'issues' when it comes to same sex couples and their families and they aren't all that shy about torturing 'facts' until they seem to agree with NOM's anti-Gay lunacy.
I find NOM to be very reliable... are you conceding the determination of these studies. Are you challanging NOMs quotes of the article from the Washington Times?

Are any of your insights valid? Do they bring anything to this debate?
Fitz

Mount Clemens, MI

#25 Jun 11, 2012
Oh..its not "plagarizing" if you put it in quotes...
What is misleading is the summarizing of these studies that is the reason for this Topix post to begin with.
Fitz

Mount Clemens, MI

#26 Jun 11, 2012
TomInElPaso wrote:
The first "study" funded by right wing foundations has already be found to be very deficient. The author of the study also clearly stated it was not a study of same sex parenting, it was about kids whose had a parent who at some time in their life had a gay sexual encounter.
The commentary in the second part of your post is just pure bull crap.
Do you ever get to see your kids anymore David or is there a court ruling keeping you away?
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Is the source of funding for a study dispositive of it validity?

Are studies funded by left wing groups and gay groups dispositive?

Are studies conducted by lesbian parents in "commited relationships" suspicious and therefore unreliable?

What part is "bull crap"?

And who is David?
The Troll Stopper

Christiansburg, VA

#27 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
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I find NOM to be very reliable...
Dude, NOM is an SPLC-designated hate group, and hate groups are NOT reliable. Read 'em and weep:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...
snip: "For a time, NOM’s name was used by a bus driver named Louis Marinelli, who drove a van for NOM’s “Summer for Marriage Tour” this year. Marinelli called himself a “NOM strategist” and sent out electronic messages under the NOM logo that repeated falsehoods about homosexuals being pedophiles and gay men having extremely short lifespans. In homemade videos posted on his own YouTube page, he said same-sex marriage would lead to “prostitution, pedophilia and polygamy.” "

So much for NOM being "reliable". LOLAY!
The Troll Stopper

Christiansburg, VA

#28 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
Oh..its not "plagarizing" if you put it in quotes...
Doesn't matter if you put it in quotes or not. If you copy/paste stuff without acknowledging the actual source where it came from, that's plagiarizing. Deal with it.
The Troll Stopper

Christiansburg, VA

#29 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
Is the source of funding for a study dispositive of it validity?
You bet it is, because it shows a clear agenda behind the so-called "studies".
Fitz wrote:
Are studies funded by left wing groups and gay groups dispositive?
Absolutely. Fortunately, there is no proof whatsoever that any "studies funded by left wing groups and gay groups" exist.
Fitz wrote:
And who is David?
That would be the banned poster David "Molester" Moore from Pekin, Illinois who now posts under different user names every day to keep the mods from tracking him, that's who.
Fitz

Mount Clemens, MI

#30 Jun 11, 2012
The Troll Stopper wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, NOM is an SPLC-designated hate group, and hate groups are NOT reliable. Read 'em and weep:
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...
snip: "For a time, NOM’s name was used by a bus driver named Louis Marinelli, who drove a van for NOM’s “Summer for Marriage Tour” this year. Marinelli called himself a “NOM strategist” and sent out electronic messages under the NOM logo that repeated falsehoods about homosexuals being pedophiles and gay men having extremely short lifespans. In homemade videos posted on his own YouTube page, he said same-sex marriage would lead to “prostitution, pedophilia and polygamy.” "
So much for NOM being "reliable". LOLAY!
NOM is the leading grass roots orginization for preserving marriage; and has been succesfull in 33 of its 33 attempts at amendiong State consitutions to protect marriage.

It also files friend of the court brefs a a most same-sex "marriage" litigation. It founders and board members include Harvard graduates, best selling authors on the importance of marriage & distinguished proffesors at Princton & Yale.

The SPLC....(Who ever heard of them and what have they ever done) has nothing to do with the South, Poverty, or the Law in its "designation of hate groups".

Again ..yet another post that can say nothing about the rigorous science of these two new studies.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#31 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
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NOM is the leading grass roots orginization for preserving marriage; and has been succesfull in 33 of its 33 attempts at amendiong State consitutions to protect marriage.
It also files friend of the court brefs a a most same-sex "marriage" litigation. It founders and board members include Harvard graduates, best selling authors on the importance of marriage & distinguished proffesors at Princton & Yale.
The SPLC....(Who ever heard of them and what have they ever done) has nothing to do with the South, Poverty, or the Law in its "designation of hate groups".
Again ..yet another post that can say nothing about the rigorous science of these two new studies.
damn, you're funny... ignorant as all get out, but funny

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#32 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
I find NOM to be very reliable...
Of course you do David, they rely on useful idiots like you to not to be swayed by such trivialities like fact, logic and reason.
Fitz wrote:
are you conceding the determination of these studies.
Are you on crack? If not you might consider it.
Fitz wrote:
Are you challanging NOMs quotes of the article from the Washington Times?
No dear, unlike you, they credit their sources and usually get the quotes right, if not the context. We are talking about Washington's Moonie paper here, so what they say has to be taken with a really big grain of salt.
Fitz wrote:
Are any of your insights valid?
According to you, no, which in the real world means that they are. I notice that you weren't able to actually refute ANYTHING I actually said.
Fitz wrote:
Do they bring anything to this debate?
I'm not here to debate you cupcake, a debate would indicate that you had something which might be seen as an actual legitimate argument, you don't, you have ripped off NOM spin of one study which really offered no conclusion and one written with a clear anti-Gay objective determining to find "facts" to support its predetermined conclusions.
The Troll Stopper

Christiansburg, VA

#33 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
<quoted text>
NOM is the leading yap yap yap blah blah blah
The only thing NOM "leads" at is spreading anti-gay propaganda and lies. Read 'em and weep:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelli...
Fitz wrote:
The SPLC....(Who ever heard of them and what have they ever done)
You don't get out much, do you? The SPLC was founded in 1971 and is one of America's premier civil rights organizations and is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry of all kinds, whether it be racial, religious, ethnic, gender, or sexual-orientation-based:
http://www.splcenter.org/who-we-are/splc-hist...
Fitz wrote:
Again ..yet another post that can say nothing about the rigorous science ...
...that was funded by right-wingers who had a pre-determined conclusion and looked for data to support that conclusion. That's not how responsible science is supposed to work. Instead, research should have NO pre-determined conclusion, but instead should observe data and THEN form a conclusion.
Face it, dude, the "science" you cite is bullshit. Deal with it.
The Troll Stopper

Christiansburg, VA

#34 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
Oh, and one more thing: Those state constitutional amendments that NOM got passed will all be struck down in Federal court before too long. It's not a question of if, just when. Count on it.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#35 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
Oh..its not "plagarizing" if you put it in quotes...
What is misleading is the summarizing of these studies that is the reason for this Topix post to begin with.
Dear, you didn't put NOM's work in quotation marks (your whole post), you merely cut and pasted the ones they used
designating quotes THEY had used and you did not cite where "your" post came from. Both are examples of plagiarism.

http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_what_i...

Any questions or do you just want to dismiss the reality that you got caught again trying to pass off somebody elses work as your own?
AdaminAZ

Grand Rapids, MI

#36 Jun 11, 2012
This study does unearth a valuable and previously unstudied bit of evidence. Correct me if I'm wrong but this study supports the hypothesis that children who's parents split do equally well whether the parent leaves for a heterosexual or homosexual affair.
Wood Dick

New York, NY

#37 Jun 11, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Dear, you didn't put NOM's work in quotation marks (your whole post), you merely cut and pasted the ones they used
designating quotes THEY had used and you did not cite where "your" post came from. Both are examples of plagiarism.
http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_what_i...
Any questions or do you just want to dismiss the reality that you got caught again trying to pass off somebody elses work as your own?
Interesting. On another thread I just chastised a gaytard for the common practice of modifying a quote:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/gay/TORVRM4PC...
Fitz

Mount Clemens, MI

#38 Jun 11, 2012
The Troll Stopper wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, and one more thing: Those state constitutional amendments that NOM got passed will all be struck down in Federal court before too long. It's not a question of if, just when. Count on it.
Looking forward to it...although gay advocacy groups keep trying to avoid it...

Now, tell me again about the opinions of NOMS bus driver and how that puts them on par with the KKK in the "vuanted" SPLC book??
Fitz

Mount Clemens, MI

#39 Jun 11, 2012
The Troll Stopper wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
...that was funded by right-wingers who had a pre-determined conclusion and looked for data to support that conclusion. That's not how responsible science is supposed to work. Instead, research should have NO pre-determined conclusion, but instead should observe data and THEN form a conclusion.
Face it, dude, the "science" you cite is bullshit. Deal with it.
You have absolutley no evidence to sugest that either of these two studies are biased or methollogically flawed. In fact, you have not read the studies or even about the studies. You simply have dismissed them and slandered them because they dont fit your agenda.

Now tell me again about how no left wing and gay groups have ever funded studies?
Mitts Gold Plated Tablets

Philadelphia, PA

#40 Jun 11, 2012
Fitz wrote:
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I dont understand the question.? Or perhaps its not really a question....
No, there is no question. The fundie and other sick homophobes lie all the time.

You were going on about FL's adoption law, seemingly unaware that came from "Dr." Rekers' paid testimony.

Then "Dr." Rekers was caught having hired and traveling to Italy with a male sex worker. He claimed the sex worker was his luggage handler. "Dr." Rekers was then tossed out of the fundie talibangelical group he had helped found, since his explanation was even funnier than "I have a wide stance."

These people you're prattling on about from your closet are not researchers - they are sexually sick pawns in the last vestiges of organized, homophobic hate and lying from you mentally ill, religious freeeks.

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