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Healthy Loma Linda residents oppose McDonald's

There are 37 comments on the Newkerala.com story from Jan 15, 2012, titled Healthy Loma Linda residents oppose McDonald's. In it, Newkerala.com reports that:

Washington, Jan 14 : The health conscious residents of Loma Linda, a small California city with a large Seventh-day Adventist population are fighting together against the opening of the town's first McDonalds restaurant.

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Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#34 Feb 17, 2012
'afternoon all :)

Sadly, their healthy food shtick has to do with their bottomline...everything is soooo expensive.

Listen, just because it's labeled vegetarian doesn't mean it's better. Has anyone read the labels of the many, many...many vegetarian packaged or canned goods they sell? BPA anyone? There are too many things that really aren't "natural" and were never meant for human consumption. For starters, most vegetarian/vegan products are soy based and, unless it's being grown organically, you're actually eating a herbicide laden product. What about the food additives Red 3 and Yellow 5? The *FDA recommended* that it be banned when tests proved that it caused thyroid tumors in rats, but it was overruled by the Reagan Administration. This is just the tip of the iceburg lettuce, lol.

Mcd's isn't the healthiest place to eat, but comparing their menu to most of what LL peddles as a healthier alternative, I'd say they fall into the same group...not meant for human consumption. It doesn't matter how many times vegetarian or vegan is stamped on the package/can...there's no way that a soyburger, for example, is going to be healthier than a God created, naturally raised beef, or chevon, or lamb, or chicken.

If we stick to what God made for us to eat...pure, fresh ingredients,*clean* meat, whole fresh fruits/veggies, which are all affordable, coupled with exercise, then I believe we would be free from a lot of the diseases that plague us.

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#35 Feb 17, 2012
Watch the movie "Supersize Me", I agree a person needs to get away from processed food, however, I applaud these people for standing against this place coming to town, no need to put one more VERY unhealthy place in town.

Everywhere McDONALD'S goes people's health for a down the tubes.

Also, meat is a VERY unnecessary part of the diet.
Gabriella wrote:
'afternoon all :)
Sadly, their healthy food shtick has to do with their bottomline...everything is soooo expensive.
Listen, just because it's labeled vegetarian doesn't mean it's better. Has anyone read the labels of the many, many...many vegetarian packaged or canned goods they sell? BPA anyone? There are too many things that really aren't "natural" and were never meant for human consumption. For starters, most vegetarian/vegan products are soy based and, unless it's being grown organically, you're actually eating a herbicide laden product. What about the food additives Red 3 and Yellow 5? The *FDA recommended* that it be banned when tests proved that it caused thyroid tumors in rats, but it was overruled by the Reagan Administration. This is just the tip of the iceburg lettuce, lol.
Mcd's isn't the healthiest place to eat, but comparing their menu to most of what LL peddles as a healthier alternative, I'd say they fall into the same group...not meant for human consumption. It doesn't matter how many times vegetarian or vegan is stamped on the package/can...there's no way that a soyburger, for example, is going to be healthier than a God created, naturally raised beef, or chevon, or lamb, or chicken.
If we stick to what God made for us to eat...pure, fresh ingredients,*clean* meat, whole fresh fruits/veggies, which are all affordable, coupled with exercise, then I believe we would be free from a lot of the diseases that plague us.
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#36 Feb 17, 2012
3angelsmessage wrote:
Watch the movie "Supersize Me", I agree a person needs to get away from processed food, however, I applaud these people for standing against this place coming to town, no need to put one more VERY unhealthy place in town.
Everywhere McDONALD'S goes people's health for a down the tubes.
Also, meat is a VERY unnecessary part of the diet.<quoted text>
:)

I watched it some time ago...very interesting.

As far as meat, apparently God thought it was a very necessary part of our diet, because He gave us an explicit list of clean meats to enjoy. Christ wasn't a vegetarian, much less a vegan...He ate meat, too.

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#38 Feb 17, 2012
Gabriella wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
I watched it some time ago...very interesting.
As far as meat, apparently God thought it was a very necessary part of our diet, because He gave us an explicit list of clean meats to enjoy. Christ wasn't a vegetarian, much less a vegan...He ate meat, too.
God did no give us meat to eat until AFTER the flood, when man's life was to be shortened, meat is NOT an important part of our diet.
The Hunger Argument
Number of people worldwide who will die as a result of malnutrition this year: 20 million
Number of people who could be adequately fed using land freed if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 100 million
Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by people: 20
Percentage of corn grown in the US eaten by livestock: 80
Percentage of oats grown in the US eaten by livestock: 95
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90
How frequently a child dies as a result of malnutrition: every 2 point 3 seconds
Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an acre: 40,000
Pounds of beef produced on an acre: 250
Percentage of US farmland devoted to beef production: 56
Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of edible flesh from feedlot beef: 16
The Environmental Argument
Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels
Fossil fuels needed to produce meat-centered diet vs a meat-free diet: 3 times more
Percentage of US topsoil lost to date: 75
Percentage of US topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising: 85
Number of acres of US forest cleared for cropland to produce meat-centered diet: 260 million
Amount of meat imported to US annually from Central and South America: 300,000,000 pounds
Percentage of Central American children under the age of five who are undernourished: 75
Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every quarter-pound of rainforest beef: 55 square feet
Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1,000 per year
The Cancer Argument
Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to less than once a week: 3 For women who eat eggs daily compared to once a week: 2: 8 times
For women who eat butter and cheese 2-4 times a week: 3: 25 times
Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week vs less than once a week: 3 times
Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meat, cheese, eggs and milk daily vs sparingly or not at all: 3 point 6 times
The Cholesterol Argument
Number of US medical schools: 125
Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
Nutrition training received by average US physician during four years in medical school: 2 point 5 hours
Most common cause of death in the US : heart attack
How frequently a heart attack kills in the US: every 45 seconds
Average US man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 percent
Risk of average US man who eats no meat: 15 percent
Risk of average US man who eats no meat, dairy or eggs: 4 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption of meat, dairy and eggs by 10 percent: 9 percent
Amount you reduce risk of heart attack if you reduce consumption by 50 percent: 45 percent
Amount you reduce risk if you eliminate meat, dairy and eggs from your diet: 90 percent
Average cholesterol level of people eating meat-centered-diet: 210 mg/dl
Chance of dying from heart disease if you are male and your blood cholesterol level is 210 mg/dl: greater than 50 percent

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#39 Feb 17, 2012
The Natural Resources Argument;

User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the US: livestock production
Amount of water used in production of the average cow: sufficient to float a destroyer
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25
Gallons of water needed to produce a pound of California beef: 5,000
Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a meat-centered diet: 13
Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
Calories of fossil fuel expended to get 1 calorie of protein from beef: 78
To get 1 calorie of protein from soybeans: 2
Percentage of all raw materials (base products of farming, forestry and mining, including fossil fuels) consumed by US that is devoted to the production of livestock: 33
Percentage of all raw materials consumed by the US needed to produce a complete vegetarian diet: 2

The Antibiotic Argument;

Percentage of US antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13
Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: ban
Response of US meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support

The Pesticide Argument;

Common belief: US Department of Agriculture protects our health through meat inspection
Reality: fewer than 1 out of every 250,000 slaughtered animals is tested for toxic chemical residues
Percentage of US mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 99
Percentage of US vegetarian mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 8
Contamination of breast milk, due to chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides in animal products, found in meat-eating mothers vs non-meat eating mothers: 35 times higher
Amount of Dieldrin ingested by the average breast-fed American infant: 9 times the permissible level

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#40 Feb 17, 2012
The Ethical Argument

Number of animals killed for meat per hour in the US: 660,000
Occupation with highest turnover rate in US: slaughterhouse worker
Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job-injury in US: slaughterhouse worker

The Survival Argument

Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner)
Food choice of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
Largest meat eater that ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex (Where is he today?)



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Why be Vegetarian?

There are so many good reasons for being veg{etari}an (health, animals, the environment) that a better question might be, "Why NOT be vegetarian?"

When you can easily...

significantly improve your health,

dramatically reduce your environmental footprint,

and greatly lessen the suffering of animals

...lets ask instead, "What's stopping you?" :)

Of course, the decision about whether to become a ďvegĒ is a matter of personal choice..
But; if more people really knew how bad meat is (for them, the planet, and the animals), more people would make the choice to go meatless

Improve your health

The medical evidence is clear, consistent and overwhelming..
Vegetarians and vegans:

...are far less likely to get cancer, heart disease, diabetes, or osteoporosis

...are far less likely to be overweight

...have lots more stamina

...consume far less pesticides in their food

...have superior immune function

The largest epidemiological study ever conducted (the China-Oxford-Cornell Study) found that those eating the amount of animal foods typical for Americans have seventeen times the death rate from heart disease, and, for women, five times the rate of breast cancer, than those who get 5% or less of their protein from animal foods

Meat contains 14 times the amount of pesticides as plant foods, since pesticides get concentrated as they move up through the food chain, and since they're more easily stored in fatty tissues.. In 1980, six years after the pesticide dieldrin was banned, the USDA destroyed two million packages of frozen turkey products contaminated with dieldrin..(And such contamination can routinely occur without detection.) In 1974, the FDA found dieldrin in 85% of all dairy products and 99.5% of the American people.. The EPA discovered that the breast milk of vegetarian women contained far lower levels of pesticides than that of average Americans.. A study reported in the New England Journal of Medicine found that "The highest levels of contamination in the breast milk of the vegetarians was lower than the lowest level of contaminationÖ(in) non-vegetarian womenÖ The mean vegetarian levels were only 1-2% as high as the average levels in the U.S.."

Prevent cruelty to animals

Nobody wants animals to suffer, but it's easy to forget that when we eat them, that's what we're supporting.. The easiest action a person can take to reduce animal suffering is to simply stop eating them..

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#41 Feb 17, 2012
Around eight billion animals are killed for food every year in the U.S.. alone -- a number greater than the entire human population of the planet.. Each meat-eating American eats the equivalent of about 24 animals per year.. What's worse, modern agricultural methods mean that animals are raised in cramped confinement operations instead of the pastures from childhood picture books -- a practice known as factory farming...

Chickens killed for their flesh in the United States are bred and drugged to grow so quickly that their hearts, lungs, and limbs often can't keep up.. Read more about chickens: http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdvd... ...

Hens used for eggs live six or seven to a battery cage the size of a file drawer, thousands of which are stacked tier upon tier in huge, filthy warehouses.. Read more about laying hens: http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdvd... ...

Cattle are castrated,their horns are ripped out of their heads, and third-degree burns (branding) are inflicted on them, all without any pain relief.. Read more about cows raised for their flesh: http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdvd... ...

Cows used for their milk are drugged and bred to produce unnatural amounts of milk; they have their babies stolen from them shortly after birth and sent to notoriously cruel veal farms so that humans can drink the calves' milk.. Read more about dairy cows: http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdvd... ...

Mother pigs on factory farms are confined to crates so small that they are unable to turn around or even lie down comfortably.. Read more about pigs: http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3Lmdvd... ...

I can get MUCH more!
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#43 Feb 17, 2012
:)

3angelsmessage, I'm well familiar with all of the information that you posted. Nevertheless, I appreciate your time and effort in gathering it :)

Most, if not all, of the research is based on the conventional and greedy growing methods that have been practiced for decades. Unnatural methods of producing food, equals poor quality foods, including fruits/veggies/nuts/grains. If I remember correctly, the China study didn't specify the types of meats (unclean?)that were consumed/researched, or how they were prepared for consumption. The results were based on the consumption of "animal-based foods" and not specifically on properly prepared "clean" meats.

If someone wants to be a vegetarian/vegan, then more power to them and if not, then more power to them, too. To me it's a no-brainer. God made it very simple to understand what/how we should eat. In fact, it's so simple, if we trusted and followed what God clearly spoke regarding our diet, we wouldn't be concerned over it (Lk 12:22-34).

I do agree that the conventional methods of growing food is not the best for our health, so if possible grow/raise your own...naturally...the way God intended, or find local farmers that farm using natural methods. More importantly, we need to learn to trust what God has spoken. He said clean meats are for us to eat and if they're good enough for Christ, then they're certainly good enough for us.

"So you shall serve the Lord your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you." Exo 23:25

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#44 Feb 18, 2012
He gave NO meat in the original diet, AT ALL, clean or unclean.

Facts are facts, it takes less land to feed veggies, than to raise cattle.

Getting nutrients from meat is getting it 2nd hand.
Gabriella wrote:
:)
3angelsmessage, I'm well familiar with all of the information that you posted. Nevertheless, I appreciate your time and effort in gathering it :)
Most, if not all, of the research is based on the conventional and greedy growing methods that have been practiced for decades. Unnatural methods of producing food, equals poor quality foods, including fruits/veggies/nuts/grains. If I remember correctly, the China study didn't specify the types of meats (unclean?)that were consumed/researched, or how they were prepared for consumption. The results were based on the consumption of "animal-based foods" and not specifically on properly prepared "clean" meats.
If someone wants to be a vegetarian/vegan, then more power to them and if not, then more power to them, too. To me it's a no-brainer. God made it very simple to understand what/how we should eat. In fact, it's so simple, if we trusted and followed what God clearly spoke regarding our diet, we wouldn't be concerned over it (Lk 12:22-34).
I do agree that the conventional methods of growing food is not the best for our health, so if possible grow/raise your own...naturally...the way God intended, or find local farmers that farm using natural methods. More importantly, we need to learn to trust what God has spoken. He said clean meats are for us to eat and if they're good enough for Christ, then they're certainly good enough for us.
"So you shall serve the Lord your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you." Exo 23:25
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#46 Feb 18, 2012
3angelsmessage wrote:
He gave NO meat in the original diet, AT ALL, clean or unclean.
Facts are facts, it takes less land to feed veggies, than to raise cattle.
Getting nutrients from meat is getting it 2nd hand.<quoted text>
:)

I thoroughly understand that there was no meat in the ďoriginal dietĒ.

Facts are facts? With all due respect, I take those facts cum grano salis. They're, at the very least, biased, my friend.

Getting nutrients from meat is getting it 2nd hand? Yet, for a period of time, God sent ravens to feed Elijah meat and bread for breakfast and for dinner. God easily could have provided fruits/veggies for Elijah, but He provided fresh water, meat and bread...a perfectly balanced diet.

Again, if some choose to be vegetarian/vegan, then praise the Lord, and if some choose not to be, then praise the Lord. I think Christian vegetarians/vegans, including SDAís, that are pushing their agenda need to remember what it says in Romans 14:1-4.

"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him" (Proverbs 30:5)

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#47 Feb 19, 2012
You can side step, do the dos-e-do all you want, your OPINION changes nothing, I have given facts, and evidence, you have given NOTHING, but opinion.
Gabriella wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
I thoroughly understand that there was no meat in the ďoriginal dietĒ.
Facts are facts? With all due respect, I take those facts cum grano salis. They're, at the very least, biased, my friend.
Getting nutrients from meat is getting it 2nd hand? Yet, for a period of time, God sent ravens to feed Elijah meat and bread for breakfast and for dinner. God easily could have provided fruits/veggies for Elijah, but He provided fresh water, meat and bread...a perfectly balanced diet.
Again, if some choose to be vegetarian/vegan, then praise the Lord, and if some choose not to be, then praise the Lord. I think Christian vegetarians/vegans, including SDAís, that are pushing their agenda need to remember what it says in Romans 14:1-4.
"Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him" (Proverbs 30:5)
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#48 Feb 19, 2012
3angelsmessage wrote:
You can side step, do the dos-e-do all you want, your OPINION changes nothing, I have given facts, and evidence, you have given NOTHING, but opinion.<quoted text>
:)

I've given nothing but opinion? Dear friend, my evidence comes from the Word of God...I gave scripture to support what I believe, isn't that sufficient for you? God is the One Who created animals and gave us dominion over them, isn't that sufficient for you? At a time, God is the One Who commanded us to kill clean animals for sacrifice, isn't that sufficient for you? God is the One Who said that we may kill and eat clean animals, isn't that sufficient for you? God never condemned eating clean meat, isnít that sufficient for you? As far as Iím concerned, thereís no real argument here, because my trust is in God. Eating meat according to Godís instructions does not defile our bodies with disease. The studies that claim that all animals arenít meant for consumption because itís inhumane, or because itís toxic for the body and the environment, are an affront to God. Wow, what an attempt to contradict Godís Word.

ďIt is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.Ē Psalm 118:8

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#49 Feb 20, 2012
God gave the original diet, it did not include ANY meat. The diet in heaven will not include ANY meat, clean or unclean.

God has allowed us to find what is good for consumption, now, and what isn't.

Animals have gone through 6000 yrs of degradation just like us, man has tampered with these animals also, growth hormones, antibiotics, mad cow came from man tampering with what the cattle eat, and it crosses species, in man it is called crutsfeld Jacob's disease (not sure of spelling), there is bovine lukemia, bovine aids. In the case of bovine spongeform encephalopathy,(mad cow) it takes 10 yrs before the disease manifests itself in symptoms, cows do not live more than 6. They also do not test for it.

They also take "downer" cows, cows that all of a sudden die on their feet to the slaughterhouse, where they are often skinned alive, and boiled alive because the "captive bolt stun" fails to kill them outright. More to come later.
Gabriella wrote:
<quoted text>
:)
I've given nothing but opinion? Dear friend, my evidence comes from the Word of God...I gave scripture to support what I believe, isn't that sufficient for you? God is the One Who created animals and gave us dominion over them, isn't that sufficient for you? At a time, God is the One Who commanded us to kill clean animals for sacrifice, isn't that sufficient for you? God is the One Who said that we may kill and eat clean animals, isn't that sufficient for you? God never condemned eating clean meat, isnít that sufficient for you? As far as Iím concerned, thereís no real argument here, because my trust is in God. Eating meat according to Godís instructions does not defile our bodies with disease. The studies that claim that all animals arenít meant for consumption because itís inhumane, or because itís toxic for the body and the environment, are an affront to God. Wow, what an attempt to contradict Godís Word.
ďIt is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.Ē Psalm 118:8

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#50 Feb 20, 2012
You can eat meat all you want, I will not, the dangers outweigh any possible good that could come from such a course.

The animals are tortured, and treated badly, the diseases are many, and in the case of human "mad cow" after the symptoms show up, it is about 1 yr b4 death no cure whatsoever. It cannot b cooked out either. It is a prion that has survive 750 degrees C.

There is also MUCH, MUCH more.

Began lifestyle is PROVEN to lengthen life, lower heart disease, stroke, cancer, raise endurance, and clear the mind.

You take the chances with the diseases and so forth, I'll stay with the lifestyle that is PROVEN healthiest.

My dad had heart disease, my grandfather had it, 2 of my uncles had it, my dad had strokes, so did his dad, my dad, his dad, and my uncles died at early ages, my dad had diabetes, so did his dad, my 2 uncles, 2 of my cousins (both male, 1 younger than me). They all had high bp also, so did my grandmother.

On the other hand, PRAISE GOD FOR HIS WONDERFUL HEALTH MESSAGE!! I was to the Dr. just recently, my sugar was normal, my bp was normal, my cholesterol was normal, everything was right where it should b.

Incidentally, I have been vegetarian for 5 yrs now, but, still ate cheese, until last spring, my bp was elevated, I am now vegan, everything went back to normal.

I've got something you cannot take away, you cannot reason away my testimony, you may be able to rationalize it away in your own mind, but you can't take it away from me. You WON'T take it from me.

And I'm going to tell the whole world about it! By all known models, I should b diabetic, with heart problems by now.

My one uncle died about 2 yrs younger than I am now, my grandfather and dad died about 14 yrs older than I am now, my other uncle died about 4 yrs older than I am now.

One of my cousins is 3 yrs older than me, my other is 2 yrs younger than me, both are diabetic. Type 2. My sister is 10 yrs younger than me, and gas liver problems, non drinker, my brother, who is 5 yrs younger than me has health problems.

Sorry, you have NO leg to stand on in this area.

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#51 Feb 20, 2012
Sorry, typing too fast for my eyes, should have said "live cows are taken to slaughter house, and skinned, and sometimes boiled alive"
Gabriella

Albuquerque, NM

#53 Feb 20, 2012
3angelsmessage wrote:
You can eat meat all you want, I will not, the dangers outweigh any possible good that could come from such a course.
The animals are tortured, and treated badly, the diseases are many, and in the case of human "mad cow" after the symptoms show up, it is about 1 yr b4 death no cure whatsoever. It cannot b cooked out either. It is a prion that has survive 750 degrees C.
There is also MUCH, MUCH more.
Began lifestyle is PROVEN to lengthen life, lower heart disease, stroke, cancer, raise endurance, and clear the mind.
You take the chances with the diseases and so forth, I'll stay with the lifestyle that is PROVEN healthiest.
My dad had heart disease, my grandfather had it, 2 of my uncles had it, my dad had strokes, so did his dad, my dad, his dad, and my uncles died at early ages, my dad had diabetes, so did his dad, my 2 uncles, 2 of my cousins (both male, 1 younger than me). They all had high bp also, so did my grandmother.
On the other hand, PRAISE GOD FOR HIS WONDERFUL HEALTH MESSAGE!! I was to the Dr. just recently, my sugar was normal, my bp was normal, my cholesterol was normal, everything was right where it should b.
Incidentally, I have been vegetarian for 5 yrs now, but, still ate cheese, until last spring, my bp was elevated, I am now vegan, everything went back to normal.
I've got something you cannot take away, you cannot reason away my testimony, you may be able to rationalize it away in your own mind, but you can't take it away from me. You WON'T take it from me.
And I'm going to tell the whole world about it! By all known models, I should b diabetic, with heart problems by now.
My one uncle died about 2 yrs younger than I am now, my grandfather and dad died about 14 yrs older than I am now, my other uncle died about 4 yrs older than I am now.
One of my cousins is 3 yrs older than me, my other is 2 yrs younger than me, both are diabetic. Type 2. My sister is 10 yrs younger than me, and gas liver problems, non drinker, my brother, who is 5 yrs younger than me has health problems.
Sorry, you have NO leg to stand on in this area.
I'm sorry to hear those things about your loved ones. It is very sad to see our loved ones in bad health. I think itís great that youíre vegetarian and I praise God for your good health, too. Sadly, I have some friends that are lifelong vegetarians/vegans (V/V). Some are suffering from serious heart disease, high blood pressure and severe depression. V/V isn't the be all and end all cure that the SDAís, along with secular V/V advocacy groups, are aggressively proclaiming.

Questions. Were the diseases you mentioned caused by animal-based products/meat consumption alone? If so, what type? How was it prepared (raw, medium, fully cooked)? What, if any, other ingredients were involved? Did they drink, smoke or use drugs? Did they take prescribed medications? Did they exercise? Did they sleep/rest appropriately? There are so many other factors involved that need to be considered.

God's health message? Where exactly is it written within the Word of God that He wants us to stop eating clean meat and become V/V? Unless you have scripture to support your cause, itís not a message from GodÖitís strictly a secular V/V propaganda,(Prov. 30:6).

Again, Iíll refer you to Romans 14.

Btw, I stand by the Word of God, 2 Tim 3:16,17

:)

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#54 Feb 20, 2012
I'm not interested in the exceptions to the rule, ALL stats are in my favor, not yours.
Gabriella wrote:
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I'm sorry to hear those things about your loved ones. It is very sad to see our loved ones in bad health. I think itís great that youíre vegetarian and I praise God for your good health, too. Sadly, I have some friends that are lifelong vegetarians/vegans (V/V). Some are suffering from serious heart disease, high blood pressure and severe depression. V/V isn't the be all and end all cure that the SDAís, along with secular V/V advocacy groups, are aggressively proclaiming.
Questions. Were the diseases you mentioned caused by animal-based products/meat consumption alone? If so, what type? How was it prepared (raw, medium, fully cooked)? What, if any, other ingredients were involved? Did they drink, smoke or use drugs? Did they take prescribed medications? Did they exercise? Did they sleep/rest appropriately? There are so many other factors involved that need to be considered.
God's health message? Where exactly is it written within the Word of God that He wants us to stop eating clean meat and become V/V? Unless you have scripture to support your cause, itís not a message from GodÖitís strictly a secular V/V propaganda,(Prov. 30:6).
Again, Iíll refer you to Romans 14.
Btw, I stand by the Word of God, 2 Tim 3:16,17
:)

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