Ore. Student Teacher Pulled from Classroom After Coming Out

Oct 19, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Edge San Francisco

Seth Stambaugh A teacher in Oregon who was reassigned to a different school after coming out as gay to his students has found himself if the middle of a controversy.

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It will be very enlightening to me to see the day when someone else *besides me* feels as I do about these matters.

It is 1700 A.D. in America. Witch hunts are going on. Suspicious, superstitious members of the populace are crying about witchcraft and freaking out and attempting to demonize fellow human beings over *zero, nothing, zilch*. That's all I see.

Normal, acceptable, unequivocally MUNDANE human beings are opening their mouths, speech is coming out, and freaks, jackasses and freaks around them, are screeching "WITCH! WITCH!" and then attempting to punish them for *zero, nothing, zilch*.

This is why I hooted, cheered, pointed and jeered when I read an article the other day about churches closing and the "religious" squandering and losing their funds. They are in the process of attempting to *enshrine witch hunts* into law and general practice. This makes the "religious" demons, doing the work of satan, BY THEIR OWN LOGIC AND MORAL CODE. Therefore, what do we wish for evil? Its downfall.

Its downfall is a cause of celebration, pointing, jeering and laughing. Simple.

The only thing that shocks me is that when I am jeering,*I feel literally nothing* but joy. No regret; no apology; nothing. I feel zero but joy that evil is being vanquished.

That is *all the anti-gay have accomplished*-- a conviction that they are akin to pure, satanic evil and that their every misfortune is a cause for ribald, hooting celebration.

That's it.
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He did it for the lawsuit.
Homosexuals wreck pretty much everything they're allowed to touch.

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My point, as usual, is a studied, *specific* point meant to make *ANYONE* anti-gay who is not a filthy scumbucket take a moment to think: You accomplish and will accomplish nothing but contempt, hatred, derision and endless arguments and fighting. That's it. That's all you're going to accomplish. Nothing more. Nothing less. Think about it, if you have an IQ and aren't a complete fucking monster.
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eff mos wrote:
He did it for the lawsuit.
Homosexuals wreck pretty much everything they're allowed to touch.
what, exactly, are you on these sites for? apparently just to incite folks. can't you just go find some puppies to kick. that's just a joke dumbass, I don't really want you to do that. I hate to think of all the times you've done that without being prompted. did too many people take your lunch money or are you really that pathetic? again, rhetorical question... in other words, don't expect an answer. and don't need one really... it's pretty obvious. how about this... get a life loser.
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Hope the NAMBLA teacher loses the lawsuit and jumps off a bridge.

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You do not lie to kids! They ask an honest question you give an honest answer. The kid asked if the teacher was married and the teacher explained why he is not. By the way I never wore slacks, sweater and bow tie in my 60+ years as an out gay man. What does that mean? To the men who passed through my life, sorry I thought I was gay, my bad, your good time.

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eff mos wrote:
Hope the NAMBLA teacher loses the lawsuit and jumps off a bridge.
Hope all your children are gay.

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Hope all your children are gay.
poor kids !!!!

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poor kids !!!!
Oh so true!
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I don't understand why the teacher just didn't say it's none of your business. Gay or straight, no teacher should have to explain to a child why they are not married, the child should be taught it's rude to ask.
This teacher had to have known he was opening a can of worms by answering the way he did.
Teachers, gay or straight, should not be talking about their marital status with the children.
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Fred wrote:
The best thing homosexuals can do for kids is to stay FAR AWAY.
Is that why the Court denied you visitation rights to your ex-wife's children? You are fooling no one, David Moore.

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citizen wrote:
I don't understand why the teacher just didn't say it's none of your business. Gay or straight, no teacher should have to explain to a child why they are not married, the child should be taught it's rude to ask.
This teacher had to have known he was opening a can of worms by answering the way he did.
Teachers, gay or straight, should not be talking about their marital status with the children.
... except that kids are taught, right from an early age, about "families" and "community" in schools. They are exposed to heterosexual relationships all the time so it's hypocritical to expect anything different for homosexual relationships.
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eff mos wrote:
He did it for the lawsuit.
Homosexuals wreck pretty much everything they're allowed to touch.
Yeah. So ? I got to be a millionaire that way. What's your point ?

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I don't understand why the teacher just didn't say it's none of your business. Gay or straight, no teacher should have to explain to a child why they are not married, the child should be taught it's rude to ask.
This teacher had to have known he was opening a can of worms by answering the way he did.
Teachers, gay or straight, should not be talking about their marital status with the children.
It can open up a can of worms, you are right in that. However, I don't think that NO discussion of anyone's marital status (gay or straight) is feasible or necessarily appropriate.

Straights have always been able to mention their spouses in various contexts to their students, often in the form of some example to illustrate a point in their lesson. I've had that happen dozens and dozens of times.

Many gay folks feel that we should feel just as comfortable mentioning our spouses in appropriate contexts.

Now, as far as mentioning relationships in general, I think it can be a good thing. Kids from 6 until 18 spend A LOT of time with their teachers. They look up to (whether they admit it or not) their teachers as role models. It is important that they see these important people with healthy relationships,straight AND gay.

But yes, sometimes you have to play it by ear...
I worked in classrooms for 7 years underneath another teacher. I spent a good deal of that time in a class for the emotionally disturbed. Well, the teacher and our in-class psychologist knew I was gay, but the students didn't. I knew that in THAT class, it would cause too much disruption to tell them, but I refused to lie to them either. So, I simply wouldn't answer and told them it was none of their business. A few thought it was great fun to try to trick me into giving away something. The funny thing was that they didn't really think I was gay at all. In fact, a couple had defended me to other students on the campus who were convinced that I was a "f@g". "No, he can't be gay. He listens to too much awesome punk music to be gay." LOL When he told me of his reasoning, I almost fell over laughing. I SOOOO wanted to just tell him, "ya know kid? Punk music and all, I am definitely gay. Learn from that" But I bit my tongue and laughed with the teacher about it later after school.

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Fred wrote:
The best thing homosexuals can do for kids is to stay FAR AWAY.
Had I done that, there are a number of kids who would be far worse off. I've helped change young lives for the better.

What the hell have YOU done?

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He's posted sparkly jesus pictures, and attacked gay people, it's all he has in his repertoire.
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eff mos wrote:
He did it for the lawsuit.
Homosexuals wreck pretty much everything they're allowed to touch.
Translation: "I hate a group, and so I stereotype that group. Everyone in it is exactly the same. Everyone in it, MORE POINTEDLY, is responsible for all the problem I HATE, and so therefore I HATE the group." Why not join the Ku Klu Klan while you're at it?

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eff mos wrote:
Hope the NAMBLA teacher loses the lawsuit and jumps off a bridge.
Congrats, as a representative of the United States, on making America sound like a scumbag-ridden cesspool that sucks shit.

Seriously. People like you *are the reason foreigners make fun of us*, particularly in Europe. They think you sound uneducated, primitive and monstrous.

They're correct.

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Yep. What I believe is worse is when parents tell their kids upon asking a question "You are to young to understand". These kids will go out and ask other children or adults for the answer they are seeking. Most of the time the parents don't like the answers others give their kids. I see no problem for anyone to answer a child honestly when s/he asks questions. That's how they learn.
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Ziggy on High wrote:
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It can open up a can of worms, you are right in that. However, I don't think that NO discussion of anyone's marital status (gay or straight) is feasible or necessarily appropriate.
Straights have always been able to mention their spouses in various contexts to their students, often in the form of some example to illustrate a point in their lesson. I've had that happen dozens and dozens of times.
Many gay folks feel that we should feel just as comfortable mentioning our spouses in appropriate contexts.
Now, as far as mentioning relationships in general, I think it can be a good thing. Kids from 6 until 18 spend A LOT of time with their teachers. They look up to (whether they admit it or not) their teachers as role models. It is important that they see these important people with healthy relationships,straight AND gay.
But yes, sometimes you have to play it by ear...
I worked in classrooms for 7 years underneath another teacher. I spent a good deal of that time in a class for the emotionally disturbed. Well, the teacher and our in-class psychologist knew I was gay, but the students didn't. I knew that in THAT class, it would cause too much disruption to tell them, but I refused to lie to them either. So, I simply wouldn't answer and told them it was none of their business. A few thought it was great fun to try to trick me into giving away something. The funny thing was that they didn't really think I was gay at all. In fact, a couple had defended me to other students on the campus who were convinced that I was a "f@g". "No, he can't be gay. He listens to too much awesome punk music to be gay." LOL When he told me of his reasoning, I almost fell over laughing. I SOOOO wanted to just tell him, "ya know kid? Punk music and all, I am definitely gay. Learn from that" But I bit my tongue and laughed with the teacher about it later after school.
Your right, I guess as a straight person, I don't give it much thought when I mention my husband or kids. Kind of makes me feel sad that gay people have to watch what they say about their home life around certain people for fear of discrimination.
Where I work, there are quite a few gay men and they are open about it, and I gotta say, no one has ever made a big deal out of it. I do see a big difference than when I was growing up, maybe because I am now dealing with adults and not kids.

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